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[1. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL]
>> IT IS 6:00 SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
IF WE COULD START WITH ROLL CALL, PLEASE >> CHAIRPERSON GLORIA FRANZ.
>> VICE CHAIRPERSON JACQUELINE LOPEZ.
COMMISSIONER NICCO YSIANO >> PRESENT.
AND IF WE CAN NOW HAVE AN INTRODUCTION OF STAFF, PLEASE.
GOOD EVENING, MADAME CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
TONIGHT STAFF INCLUDES ROSIE LUA, SORRENTO PLANNER, GUSTAV'S GOMEZ ASSISTANT PLANNER, KEVIN SNYDER, DIRECTOR, SACH SACH.
ZACK MYSELF LEILA NAMVAR SENIOR PLANNER.
IF WE CAN GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH 1K3 LEILA, THANK YOU FOR THE FLAG.
>> AND IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO THE WITH THE STATEMENT FROM THE COMMISSION SECRETARY,
[4. STATEMENT FROM THE COMMISSION SECRETARY]
PLEASE.>> THE GENERAL RULES OF COURTESY FOR VIRTUAL MEETINGS ARE FOLLOWS.
PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF BACKGROUND NOISE JOINING THE VIRTUAL MEETING.
PARTICIPANTS MUST MUTE PARTICIPANTS MUST MUTE THEIR MICROPHONE WHEN THEY ARE NOT SPEAKING.
WHEN YOUR MICROPHONE IS NOT MUTED, AVOID ACTIVITY THAT COULD CREATE ADDITIONAL NOISE.
POSITION YOUR CAMERA PROPERLY IF YOU CHOOSE TO USE A WEB CAMERA, BE SURE IT IS IN A STABLE POSITION AND FOCUSED AT EYE LEVEL IF POSSIBLE.
IF YOU WILL BE SHARING CONTENT DURING THE MEETING, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE FILE AND/OR LINKS READY TO GO BEFORE THE MEETING BEGINS.
MEMBERS FROM THE PUBLIC WISHING TO PROVIDE ORAL TESTIMONY MUST FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS ON THE AGENDA AND/OR ONLINE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR AGENDA OR NON-RELATED AGENDA ITEMS. MEMBERS FROM THE PUBLIC WISHING TO PROVIDE ORAL TESTIMONY HAVE THREE MINUTES TO PROVIDE ORAL TESTIMONY.
[5. STATEMENT FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY]
AND I WILL QUONT STATEMENT FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY.
THERE HAVE BEEN NO DIRECT DIRECTIVE TEMPORARILY HALTING LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROCESSING LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF APPLICATIONS AND/OR CONSIDERATION OF POLICY ACTIONS INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENTS, ZONING CODE.
AMENDMENTS AND NEW OR SPECIFIC AMENDMENT PLANS THEREFORE THE CITY OF INDIO CONTINUES TO PROCESS APPLICATIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH.
THE CITY OF INDIO IS FOLLOWING THE EXECUTIVE ORDERS N-25-20 AND N-29-20 PER TIENGT BROWN OOCT THESE EXECUTIVE ORDERS ALLOW GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES TO CONDUCT MEETINGS BY ELECTRONIC MEANS AND FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO OBSERVE THE PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT OR PUBLIC TESTIMONY TELEPHONICALLY OTHER OTHERWISE ELECTRONICALLY.
ACCORDINGLY, THE CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION ARE CURRENTLY CONDUCTING SCHEDULED MEETINGS IN A VIRTUAL MEETING FORMAT.
THE CITY OF INDIO HAS IMPLEMENTED TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS THAT ALLOW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO OBSERVE, TO OFFER PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL AS PUBLIC TESTIMONY DURING PUBLIC HEARINGS AT SCHEDULED PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS.
THE CITY COMMITTED TO PROVIDING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION OPPORTUNITIES WHILE ALSO COMPLYING WITH THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROCESSING OF LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATIONS AND/OR CONSIDERATION OF POLICY ACTIONS.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 6, PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
>> NOT HAVING ANY COMMENTS, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 7, MINUTES FROM OUR NOVEMBER 25, 2020, MEETING.
[7. MINUTES]
DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR HAD A MOTION TO APPROVE? EVERYBODY NAPPING?I APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 25TH.
>> YOU MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, CORRECT?
ANY COMMENTS? IF NOT, ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
>> COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ CEJA.
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OKAY.WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS.
[8.1 Trilogy at the Polo Club Amendment No. 5 – Project Master Plan 20-07-64]
WE HAVE 8.1 TRILOGY AT THE POLO CLUB AMENDMENT NUMBER 5, PROJECT MASTER PLAN 20-07-64.GOOD EVENING CHAIRPERSON AND MABS OF THE PLANNING EXCISION.
MY NAME IS GUSTAVO GOMEZ AND BEFORE YOU IS THE TRILOGY IS AT THE POLO CLUB SO OUTS A PROJECT MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT NUMBER 5.
THE PROJECT IS GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF AVENUE 52 AND JACKSON STREET.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS TO AMEND THE TRILOGY AT THE POLO CLUB.
THE CURRENT AMENDMENT IS TO CHANGE THE DESIGN GUIDELINES TO ALLOW FOR A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE AND THEN ALSO ATTENDANT PARKING ONLY FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES.
AT THIS TIME THE STAFF IS REQUESTING TO THE ITEM BE CONTINUED TO A DATE UNCERTAIN TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO CONDUCT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WITH THE TRILOGY AT THE POLO CLUB COMMUNITY AND TO MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES TO THE PROJECT MASTER PLAN.
STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY BUT TAKE NO ACTION AT THIS TIME.
THE PROJECT WILL THEN AGAIN BE RENOTICED AND THE NOTICE WILL INCLUDE ANY OF THOSE CHASING THAT HAVE BEEN DONE TO THE PROJECT MASTER PLAN.
THAT CONCLUDES MY STAFF REPORT.
IF STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE HERE TO QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS TIME? IF NOT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME, AND WE WOULD WELCOME THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK TO US, IF INTERESTED, AT THIS TIME.
NO COMMENT FROM THE APPLICANT.
I WAS UNABLE TO UNMUTE AT FIRST.
THIS IS THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICANT TRILOGY AT THE POLO CLUB.
>> I WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSION FOR HAVING THIS ITEM AND THANK GUSTAVO FOR HIS INCREDIBLE HARD WORK OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
AT THIS TIME, DUE TO INABILITY FOR THE DEVELOPER DELAYING IN ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY, WE ARE GOING TO POSTPONE OUR REQUEST, BUT THE HEART OF THE REQUEST IS THAT WE'VE SEEN AN INCREDIBLE INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF HOMEOWNERS THAT OWNER RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, AND WE HAVE SEEN OTHER BUILDERS THAT HAVE INTRODUCED FLOOR PLANS, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED FLOOR PLANS WITH ATTACHED RV GARAGES THAT HAVE SEEN GREAT SUCCESS AROUND THE COUNTRY, SO WE ARE WORKING TO DEVELOP A FLOOR PLAN THAT ALLOWS THOSE HOMEOWNERS TO HAVE A PLACE TO PARK THEIR VEHICLE WITHIN THEIR PROPERTY.
AND WE'RE EXCITED, EITHER LATER IN JANUARY TO SHARE DETAILS OF WHAT THAT FLOOR PLAN AND ADJUSTMENT TO THE PMP WILL LOOK LIKE.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? NO? OKAY.
AND DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AT THIS TIME?
BEING PULL THE ON THE RECORD OR -- >> YES, CHAIR.
PUBLIC COMMENT POLICY, ALL THE WRITTEN TESTIMONY SUBMITTED IN ADVANCE IS MADE AVAILABLE AS PART OF THE RECORD.
COMMISSIONERS AND THE PUBLIC HAVE ACCESS TO THAT AND INDIVIDUALLY BE ABLE TO CALL IN AND PROVIDE ORAL TESTIMONY DURING THE MEETING AS WELL, WHICH IS I BELIEVE WHAT MS. BELTRAN WAS REFERENCING.
AND YOU SAID THERE'S NO ONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
>> OKAY THEN WITH NO FURTHER COMMENTS, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO A DATE UNCERTAIN.
I WOULD ADVISE THAT WE SEEK A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO A DATE UNCERTAIN, GET THAT SECOND IN AND GO AHEAD.
>> I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION TO CONTINUE THE ITEM TO A DATE UNCERTAIN.
IF I COULD PLEASE HAVE A SECOND.
>> ANY COMMENTS? IF NOT, WE'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
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FOR THE RECORD, VICE CHAIRPERSON JACQUELINE LOPEZ JOINED THE MEETING AT 6:07 P.M., SO SHE'S BEEN PRESENT SINCE THE STAFF REPORT.
>> SO I'LL START THE ROLL CALL VOTE AGAIN.
>> COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ CEJA.
I'M ON THE ROAD, SO I APOLOGIZE.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM 8.2, CITRUS PLAZA II DESIGN REVIEW 20-09-479.
[8.2 Citrus Plaza II – Design Review 20-09-479]
IF WE COULD HAVE STAFF REPORT, PLEASE.>> GOOD EVENING, MADAME CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY -- I'M SORRY.
I'VE BEEN HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.
CAN YOU GUYS SEE MY PRESENTATION?
ROSIE LUA ASSOCIATE PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DIVISION OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
MADAME CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH TODAY TO PRESENTING.
INSTEAD OF PRESENTING THE PRESENTATION, THEN HAVING QUESTIONS AT THE END, I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE A BIT MORE INTERACTION WHERE I TAKE PAUSES IN CERTAIN AREAS OF MY PRESENTATION TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSION, AND THAT WAY WE'RE NOT GOING THROUGH A VERY LONG PRESENTATION AND THEN HOLDINGS QUESTIONS AT THE END, IF THAT WOULD BE OKAY WITH YOU.
>> I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.
ANY CONCERNS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? NO? OKAY.
SO THE ITEM I BRING TO YOU TODAY IS A II.
IT'S A DESIGN REVIEW FOR PLANNING AREA 1 AND A PORTION OF PLANNING AREA 2.
THE CITRUS PLAZA IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF JEFFERSON STREET, NORTH OF AVENUE 50, AND DIRECTLY NORTH OF THE EXISTING CITRUS PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS ABUTTING RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH, TO THE NORTHEAST, AS WELL AS A RECENTLY APPROVED SPECIFIC PLAN TO THE EAST.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE CITY OF LA QUINTA ON THE WEST BOUNDARY OF JEFFERSON STREET.
IT'S CURRENTLY A VACANT PARCEL.
WE HAVE REVIEWED AND APPROVED A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR THIS ENTIRE 9.19 ACRES.
THE CITRUS PLAZA II SPECIFIC PLAN WAS APPROVED ON JULY 15, 2020, BY -- PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL, YOU APPROVED IT, AND THEN CITY COUNCIL APPROVED IT JULY 15, 2020.
THE CITRUS PLAZA SPECIFIC PLAN IS THE REGULATORY DOCUMENT THAT'S GOVERNING LAND USES, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AS WELL AS DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THAT ENTIRE PARCEL.
IT WAS COMPRISED OF TWO PLANNING AREAS, PLANNING AREA 1 AND PLANNING AREA 2, EACH WITH ABOUT 4.5 ACRES.
THE SPECIFIC PLAN CONCEPT WAS A MODERN COMMERCIAL CENTER.
THE MODERN ARCHITECTURAL THEMES AND PEDESTRIAN NETWORK, A MAXIMUM OF 75,000 SQUARE FEET OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL WITHIN BOTH PLANNING AREAS.
IT WAS LIMITED TO TWO DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS IN PLANNING AREA 1 AS WELL AS ONE FUELING STATION WITHOUT A CONVENIENCE STORE, A MAXIMUM OF NINE PUMPS IN PLANNING AREA 1 AS WELL.
AND 19 MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
SO THE PROJECT TODAY IS COMING IN FOR A DESIGN REVIEW FOR PLANNING AREA 1 AND A PORTION OF PLANNING AREA 2.
THIS PROJECT WAS REVIEWED FOR CONFORMANCE TO THE CITRUS PLAZA II SPECIFIC PLAN, AGAIN IN TERMS OF LAND USE, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AS WELL AS 9 DESIGN REVIEW.
IT ALSO WENT THROUGH AN EFFORT OF PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES.
WE DID THE REQUIRED CITY MUNICIPAL CODE NOTICING AS WELL AS PROVIDED PUBLIC
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NOTICES TO THE LIST THAT'S IN THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, AS WELL AS THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY OF DESERT RIVER ESTATES SO THAT THEY COULD DISSEMINATE THE INFORMATION TO MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THERE.SO THE CITRUS PLAZA II DESIGN REVIEW 20-09-479 IS A TOTAL OF 5.11 ACRES.
PLANNING AREA 1 INCLUDES TWO SINGLE STORY MULTI-TENANT COMMERCIAL RETAIL BUILDINGS, A TOTAL OF 13,550.
ONE TWO-STORY COMMERCIAL RETAIL BUILDING OF 300 SQUARE FEET, TWO DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS, 2100 AND 2400 SQUARE FEET, AND SEVEN PUMP FUELING STATION WITH A CASHIER BOOTH PREDESIGNED TO INCLUDE TWO ADDITIONAL FUEL PUMPS PER THE EXPANSION.
THAT'S ALL IN PLANNING AREA 1.
PLANNING AREA 2, THIS AREA HERE THAT'S ABUTTING THE EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER, INCLUDES A SINGLE STORY MULTI-TENANT BUILDING THAT IS 6900 SQUARE FEET.
SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN AND THE PEDESTRIAN NETWORKS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE THE FUELING STATION, THE TWO DRIVE-THROUGHS, THE TWO MULTI-TENANTS, THE 300 SQUARE FOOT TWO-STORY KIOSK HERE, AND THEN WE HAVE IN PLANNING AREA 2 BUILDING G THAT IS IN PLANNING AREA 2.
WE HAVE A PEDESTRIAN NETWORK THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED, AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE HIGHLIGHTED SECTIONS, IT STARTS AT THE SIDEWALK OF JEFFERSON STREET AND GOES THROUGH, CONNECTS TO EACH ONE OF THE BUILDINGS THROUGH THE PARKING LOT AREA ON AND AROUND THE BUILDINGS AND ON TO THE PLANNING AREA 2 AND ALSO A CONNECTION POINT TO THE EXISTING CITRUS PLAZA.
THERE ARE 197 PARKING SPACES REQUIRED AND THE APPLICANT CAN PROVIDE 203.
I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE APPLICANT IN ANTICIPATION THAT THERE WOULD BE HEAVY RESTAURANTS WITHIN THES MULTI-TENANT BUILDINGS UPPED THEIR PARKING CALCULATION TO MEET THE RESTAURANT STANDARDS, AND SO THAT WAY THEY ANTICIPATED HAVING THE PARKING COUNT FOR RESTAURANT USES.
AND THEN SHOP G HAS THE 250 SQUARE FOOT PER PARKING CALCULATION, ANTICIPATING THAT THESE WOULD BE LESS RESTAURANT USES AND MAYBE MUCH MORE SERVICES OR COMMERCIAL RETAIL USES.
THERE IS SOME ROOM FOR A RESTAURANT PORTION HERE IF THERE WAS A TENANT INTERESTED, HOWEVER, THE PARKING CALCULATION, LIKE I SAID, WAS ALREADY ANTICIPATED FOR HEAVY RESTAURANT USES.
THERE ARE CLEAN AIR VEHICLE SPACES, ALSO ELECTRICAL VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS THROUGHOUT.
ALSO THERE ARE SHORT-TERM BICYCLE RACKS AND SOME LONG-TERM BICYCLE LOCKERS.
SO YOU'LL SEE LOCKER SPACES IN EACH ONE OF THE PLANNING AREAS.
AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER LOCKER SPACES THROUGHOUT THAT ARE MORE FOR LONG-TERM.
ANOTHER ITEM THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT THIS PROJECT REQUIRED THROUGH THE SPECIFIC PLAN TO HAVE WALLS.
AS PART OF THIS DESIGN REVIEW, WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THIS PROJECT HAVE THE NORTHERN WALL CONSTRUCTED BY THE APPLICANT AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
AND THEN ON THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY STARTING FROM ABOUT 310 FEET OF WALL HERE, THIS POINT HERE DOWN, THIS WALL THAT'S EXISTING WILL BE REMOVED, SO THAT WAY THERE WILL BE SOME COHESIVENESS WITH THE EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER, VEHICULAR AS WELL AS PEDESTRIAN.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE HAVE BOLLARDS THAT ARE THROUGHOUT THIS.
THIS PICTURE MIGHT NOT GIVE YOU A GOOD DEPICTION OF WHERE THE BOLLARDS ARE BUT THEY ARE THROUGHOUT THE PEDESTRIAN AREAS.
TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS WELL-LIT -- WHEN WE DO HAVE PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH 11
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THESE AREAS AT NIGHT.AND ALSO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS WELL-DEFINED PATHS WHEN THERE IS VEHICULAR FACILITIES NEXT TO WALKING PATHS.
WE ALSO HAVE RECOMMENDED ANOTHER CONDITION TO HAVE RAISED, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE PICTURE IS JUST A SLIGHT DEPICTION OF A RAISED PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS WITHIN THE ASPHALT AREAS.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THIS PROJECT HAVE THESE RAISED PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS THROUGHOUT THE AREAS THAT ARE IN THE PARKING LOT.
AND I'M GOING TO PAUSE HERE TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS TIME?
>> ROSIE, DO WE KNOW THE FINISH OF THAT NORTHERN WALL?
>> I JUST WONDERED IF THERE IS A DESIGN, PILASTERS, A CAP.
>> I'VE GOT TO CHECK THE SPECIFIC PLAN FOR ME TO ANSWER IF I CAN JOT THAT QUESTION DOWN.
>> AND I NEED TO SEE IF IN THE SPECIFIC PLAN WE PROVIDED THAT CRITERIA.
IT IS A 6-FOOT HIGH BLOCK WALL.
>> ANYTHING ELSE, COMMISSIONER CEJA?
>> ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS -- OOPS.
ON THE SPECIFIC PLAN OR ON THIS DESIGN, DO WE HAVE ANY OPTIONS FOR LIKE PUBLIC ART?
>> WE DID NOT PROVIDE THAT IN THE SPECIFIC PLAN.
AS AN OPTION FOR PUBLIC ART, THERE IS A -- AS PART OF THE SPECIFIC PLAN, WE DID HAVE A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE PUBLIC SPACE OR GATHERING SPACE, AND THAT GATHERING SPACE IS BETWEEN BUILDINGS E AND BUILDING D.
THERE IS A CONNECTION POINT HERE WITH A WELL AS A FOUNTAIN.
SO IT IS A WATER FEATURE, NOT NECESSARILY AN ART PIECE.
>> IF I CAN INTERJECT, THIS IS DIRECTOR SNYDER, JUST TO NOTE THAT THIS PROJECT, LIKE EVERY PROJECT IN THE CITY, IS SUBJECT TO PARTICIPATION IN ART IN PUBLIC PLACES PROGRAM, WHEREBY THEY CAN EITHER INSTALL PUBLIC ART OR THEY PAY INTO THE CITY'S ART IN PUBLIC PLACES FUND, AND THAT'S USUALLY ASSESSED THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS.
>> WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING I COULD RECOMMEND OR HOW DOES THAT WORK?
>> SO THE APPLICANT BY CITY CODE HAS THE DISCRETION TO INSTALL THE PUBLIC ART OR TO PAY INTO THE PROGRAM.
CERTAINLY IF COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR PUBLIC ART, IF THEY'RE CONSIDERING PUBLIC ARD ART, YOU CAN MAKE THEM SUGGESTIONS BUT THE CODE PROVIDES THEM THE VOLUNTARY OPTION TO CHOOSE ONE OR THE OTHER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS?
THE RAISED PATH -- PEDESTRIANS PATHWAYS, THOSE MEANT TO EASE THE CARS SPEEDING THROUGH WHERE THE PEDESTRIANS ARE GOING? IS THAT THE ONLY SPEED EASEMENT THAT IS BEING IMPLEMENTED IN THE PLAN?
SO IT'S MEANT TO OBVIOUSLY HAVE TWO PURPOSES.
IT'S, ONE, TO REALLY DEFINE THE PEDESTRIAN AREA SO THAT PEDESTRIANS JUST SORT OF FOLLOW THAT PATH, AS WELL AS FOR VEHICLES TO SLOW TOWN AND JUST CREATE THAT SAFETY NET FOR PEDESTRIANS -- -- TO HAVE WALKABILITY THROUGH THIS PROJECT WHEN THEY'RE CONNECTING FROM BUILDING TO BUILDING.
BUT THOSE ARE THE -- THERE'S NO OTHER -- THERE'S NO BOLLARDS THERE IN THE ASPHALT AREAS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO? 13 OKAY.
>> AND, COMMISSIONER CEJA, IF THE SPECIFIC PLAN WE DO NOT HAVE CRITERIA FOR THAT WALL OR A FINISH FOR THAT WALL, SO WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE SOMETHING IN CONSIDERATION FOR A MOTION FOR THAT CONDITION.
>> SO THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN HERE IN THE FRONTAGE RESEMBLES THE EXISTING CITRUS PLAZA LANDSCAPE DESIGN, AS WELL AS HAVING THE BERM.
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IT'S A 3-FOOT BERM THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE SPECIFIC PLAN, AND SO IT IS THROUGHOUT THE FRONTAGE.THERE IS ABOUT 18 DATE PALMS THAT FRAME THE ENTRANCE.
THERE IS THE ONE TREE TO EVERY FOUR PARKING, WHICH IS ALSO REQUIRED.
IT'S A LOW WATER USAGE DESERT SCAPE DESIGN.
THERE ARE THREE SIGNS, AND I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT OUT, THERE IS A FUELING SIGN, IDENTIFICATION SIGN, AS WELL AS A MONUMENT SIGN, AND I WILL SHOW THAT TO YOU LATER.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT, WHERE THEY ARE HERE IN THE SITE PLAN.
AGAIN, THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS ARE INTERLOCKING PAVERS AS WELL AS THE RAISED ELEMENT THAT WE HAVE.
WE ALSO HAVE INCLUDED IN THIS DESIGN THE LOW WALLS.
IT'S A LOW WALL ELEMENT TO DEFINE THE OUTDOOR AREAS OF THE RESTAURANTS AND/OR OUTDOOR SPACES FOR ALL THESE TENANT SPACES.
THIS BUILDING HERE HAS WALKABILITY ALL THROUGHOUT, SO YOU WILL SEE THAT IN BUILDING D AND BUILDING E THERE ARE FACADE IMPROVEMENTS ON THESE REAR BUILDINGS TO ENSURE THAT WHEN YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH THIS BACK PARKING SPOT, THAT YOU'RE WALKING INTO THE TENANT SPACE, AS WELL AS YOU CAN WALK THROUGH THE FRONTAGE.
THE WATER FEATURE, AND THIS IS WHERE POINT OF THE TRELLIS AND THE PUBLIC GATHERING SPACE IS, AND I HAVE MORE PICTURES FOR YOU AS WELL.
THE PLANT LIST IS THE TYPICAL, WHAT WE SEE HERE WITHIN OUR CITY.
AND AGAIN CONSIDERATION FOR THE DESERT SCAPE.
THERE ARE THE 42-INCH BOLLARDS THAT YOU SEE HERE AS WELL AS 18 FEET HIGH LIGHTING THAT WAS A MAXIMUM WITHIN THE SPECIFIC PLAN.
MAYBE ONE MORE THING TO POINT OUT HERE IS THE WALLS.
THERE ARE WALL ELEMENTS EITHER THROUGH EXTENSIONS OF THE ARCHITECTURE AND/OR ACTUAL WALLS THAT FRAME THE TWO DRIVE-THROUGHS HERE.
SO YOU SEE THE INTEGRATED ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT AND/OR SCREENING OF THE DRIVE-THROUGH HERE, AND THEN SCREENING OF THE DRIVE-THROUGH, AND I HAVE MORE PICTURES TO SHOW YOU ON THAT AS WELL, BUT YOU WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS IN THE SITE PLAN.
AND THAT IS ALSO A REQUIREMENT OF THE SPECIFIC PLAN.
SO IN TERMS OF MATERIALS FOR THE ARCHITECTURE, I'M USING THIS AS AN EXAMPLE, SO WE HAVE HERE THE CEDAR.
IT'S A COMPOSITE SIDING ELEMENT.
WE HAVE THE BLACK TRUFFLE STONE SIDING AS WELL AS A LIGHTER VERSION.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE STUCCO COLORS.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE LOW WALL ELEMENTS.
SO THIS IS A PICTURE JUST TO KIND OF SHOW THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT YOU WILL SEE THROUGHOUT THE ARCHITECTURE AS WELL AS THESE POSTS THAT YOU'LL SEE ALSO THAT GIVE AT A MODERN AS WELL AS A COMPLEMENTARY FEATURE TO THE EXISTING CITRUS PLAZA.
THE TWO MAIN BUILDINGS THAT I WANT TO FOCUS ON ARE BUILDING B AND C.
THREES ARE THE DRIVE-THROUGHS.
SO THESE ARE THE PICTURES THAT DEPICT THE LOW WALLS.
AND THEN THE OVERHEAD FEATURE EXTENSIONS OF THE ARCHITECTURE THAT SHIELDS THE DRIVE-THROUGH.
THEN WE HAVE AN ACTUAL EXTENSION, COMES OUT.
AND THEN THIS IS ALL THE WAY THROUGHOUT WHICH IS THIS ELEMENT HERE, TO THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION.
SO-SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS THE BERM AND THEN THE WALL AND THEN THAT'S THE OVERHANG FEATURE.
THIS IS THE ELEMENT FROM THE SIDE VIEW WHERE WE HAVE THE BOLLARD ELEMENT AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THERE IS PROPER SEPARATION BETWEEN VEHICLE AND PEDESTRIAN AND THE OVERHANG.
AND AS YOU WILL NOTICE EACH BUILDING IS BUILT WITH EXTENDED OVERHANGS AND
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OUTDOOR ELEMENTS.THIS IS THE PROFILE OF THE ARCHITECTURE.
I INCLUDED THE WALLS HERE BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE A WALL.
BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING, THIS IS A PROPOSED 25-FOOT HEIGHT BUILDING.
THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT IS 25 FEET FOR A SINGLE-STORY BUILDING WITHIN THE CITRUS PLAZA SPECIFIC PLAN.
I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE IN THE -- I WHAT I WANTED YOU TO FOCUS IS IS THE WEST ELEVATION IS WHAT'S FRONTING JEFFERSON STREET.
SO THE EAST ELEVATION IS THE INTERIOR DRIVE AISLE.
BUILDING C IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE BUILDING B AND IT'S ALSO A DRIVE-THROUGH.
THIS IS THE SECONDARY ENTRANCE, SO THERE'S WALL ELEMENTS THAT SURROUNDS THE DRIVE-THROUGH ALL THE WAY AROUND TO THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION HERE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURES, THIS IS THE EXTENSION OF THE WALL THAT IS HERE, LOW WALL ELEMENT COMING BACK, AND THEN THIS IS THE EXTENSION OF THE BUILDING, OVERHANG, AND THEN RETURNS TO THE WALL.
AND THIS IS THE EAST ELEVATION THAT SHOWS THE EXTEND AWNING WITH THE OUTDOOR 16 SPACE.
THIS IS A PROPOSED 25-FOOT HEIGHT, AND IT'S SINGLE STORY, SO THAT IS A REQUIREMENT PER THE CITRUS PLAZA SPECIFIC PLAN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE RAP AROUND ELEMENT, THIS IS THE WEST ELEVATION.
WEST ELEVATION HAS THE BERM AND THEN THE WALL AND THEN THOSE ELEMENTS HERE.
THE 2D DOES NOT GIVE IT AS MUCH JUSTICE AS THE 3D, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT BOTH IT DOES SHOW HOW THE OVERHANGS WERE A REALLY BIG ELEMENT THAT WE PUSHED FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST THE VARIETY OF NOT ONLY THE RECESS OF THE WALLS BUT TO ALSO CREATE THAT OUTDOOR SPACE.
AND I WILL PAUSE THERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS IS IT AT THIS TIME? NO? WOW, ROSIE, YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.
SO THIS IS THE FUELING STATION.
AND THE FUELING STATION, THE PROPOSED CANOPY IS -- HAS THE CEDAR, THE CEDAR SIDING AS WELL AS THE BUILDING.
IT'S JUST A BOOTH, A CASHIER BOOTH.
THESE POSTS ARE ELEMENTS THAT ARE THROUGHOUT THE OTHER BUILDING ELEMENTS IN THE CENTER.
THIS IS THE SEVEN PUMPS AND THEN THE EXTENSION IS THE TWO FUTURE PUMPS.
RIGHT NOW THE APPLICATION IS TO APPROVE ALL NINE PUMPS.
I ALSO INCLUDED THE PHOTO METRICS JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT THE LIGHTING IS INSET INTO THIS CANOPY AND THERE IS A LITTLE SPILLOVER THAT TAKES PLACE IN THE FRONTAGE AND IT'S MORE IN THE REAR OF THE FUELING STATION.
BUILDING D AND E ARE THE MULTI-TENANT 17 BUILDINGS.
THESE ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ALL BUILT WITH EXTERIOR FACILITIES IN ANTICIPATION FOR RESTAURANT USE, HOWEVER, THEY'RE NOT LIMITED TO RESTAURANT USES, BUT IT'S THE MEETING THE SPECIFIC PLAN OF OUTDOOR SPACES FOR THE BUILDING.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE MANY TENANT SPACES, AND EACH ONE OF THESE TENANT SPACES CAN BE ENTERED THROUGH THE REAR AS WELL.
WE HAVE THE PUBLIC GATHERING SPACE OR THE PUBLIC SPACE HERE WITH THE ELEMENT OF THE
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CONNECTED TRELLIS AS WELL AS THE WATER FEATURE, AND THESE ARE THE LOW WALLS THAT WE SEE HERE.ALL OF THE BUILDINGS HAVE THAT SAME BUILDING MATERIAL MIX OF CEDAR, STONE, STUCCO, AND THEN THE COMBINATION OF THE TWO STONES.
THE PROPOSED HEIGHT IN THIS BUILDING IS 25 FEET WHICH MEETS THE SINGLE STORY AND THE CITRUS PLAZA SPECIFIC PLAN.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT TO YOU THIS ELEMENT HERE THAT'S AN OUTDOOR SPACE IS ACTUALLY THESE SPACES HERE THAT ARE PART OF BUILDING E.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR SHOULD I PROCEED?
>> ROSIE, I HAD A QUICK QUESTION.
YOU HAD SAID THAT THE GAS STATION, THE FUELING STATION WOULD ONLY HAVE SEVEN PUMPS TO BEGIN WITH.
WHY NOT BUILD OUT ALL NINE AT THE SAME TIME AT THE BEGINNING?
THAT IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
I'M PRETTY SURE THEIR INTENTION IS TO BUILD THE NINE PUMPS, BUT I DO NOT KNOW THE REASONING FOR THEM TO BUILD THE SEVEN PUMPS AT THIS TIME.
THEY DID WANT TO GET ALL NINE PUMPS APPROVED THROUGH THE DESIGN REVIEW SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT WE COULD SAVE THAT QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
1 KIND OF ENVIRONMENTAL -- DO WE KNOW IF WE'RE LOOKING AT PLANS AS FAR AS WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING? BECAUSE I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING TWO GAS STATIONS ACROSS THE STREET.
>> THE GAS STATION PAVILION, DO WE KNOW WHERE THE PLANS ARE FOR THAT? OR IS THAT SOMETHING FOR KEVIN?
>> KEVIN, CAN YOU ANSWER IT? AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT OUR CENTER BUT THE CENTER IN THE CITY OF LA QUINTA SITE?
>> SO WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS CONSIDERING THEIR PROJECT THIS MONTH.
THEY HAVE SINCE APPROVED AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO CITY COUNCIL NEXT WEEK.
AND I KNOW THAT THEY WERE IN THE REDESIGN ELEMENT OF SOME OF THE BUILDINGS.
I DO NOT KNOW WHERE THEY ARE ON THE APPROVAL PROCESS AND WHETHER -- WHAT CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO DO AT THIS POINT THE APPROVING THAT PROJECT, BUT THEY DO HAVE, LAST I CHECKED, THEY DO HAVE THE GAS STATION PART OF THEIR PROJECT STILL.
I JUST NEED TO CAUTION THE COMMISSION THAT THIS IS A DESIGN REVIEW HEARING, NOT A LAND USE OR A CONDITIONAL USE IN TERMS OF CONSIDERING THE USAGE OR CONSIDERING THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT.
THIS SPECIFIC PLAN PROVIDES THE LAND USE CONSIDERATIONS, AND AS PART OF THAT SPECIFIC PLAN APPROVAL, YOU AS THE COMMISSION AND ULTIMATELY THE COUNCIL DECIDE WHICH LAND USES HAD PERMITTED STATUS INCLUDING THE FUELING STATION.
SO JUST AS A FRIENDLY REMINDER WISH LOOKING AT THE DESIGN ELEMENTS OF THE PROJECT THIS EVENING, NOT THE LAND USE CONSIDERATIONS.
SO AGAIN, CAN YOU -- I'M TRYING TO THERE'S ONLY -- I THINK COMMISSIONER YSIANO BROUGHT UP, WAS ICS SIX VERSUS NINE?
>> IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT?
>> YES, THEY'RE STARTING OFF WITH SEVEN PUMPS WITH A FUTURE DESIGN OF HAVING TWO MORE.
SO TODAY YOU WILL BE CONSIDERING NINE PUMPS.
BUILDING F, THERE'S A 300 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
AND TWO STORIES, A MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 35 FEET.
THE BOTTOM FLOOR IS THE LEASABLE SPACE.
THE SECOND FLOOR IS JUST MECHANICAL AND UTILITIES, A UTILITY ROOM.
IT DOES HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SIGNAGE, AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS THE VIEW FROM JEFFERSON IN AND THIS IS THE BUILDING AS SET BACK PRETTY MUCH EAST OF THE
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FUELING STATION.THE ELEMENTS HERE INCLUDE A LITTLE BIT OF THE STOREFRONT GLASS AS WELL AS JUST THE VERY MATERIALS THAT ARE THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE BUILDINGS OF STONE, STUCCO, AND THE POSTING.
BUILDINGS G IS THE BUILDING WE SEE THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE EXISTING CITRUS PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER.
THIS BUILDING AGAIN HAS THE SAME ELEMENTS OF STONE, STUCK STUCCO, POSTS AND THE CEDAR PANEL.
THESE AGAIN COULD HAVE RESTAURANTS HERE IN THIS CORNER.
ITALIANS OUTDOOR FEEL WITH THE EXTENDED ELEMENTS, BUT THESE COULD ALSO BE GEARED TOWARD MORE SERVICES, RETAIL AND THOSE THINGS AS WELL.
DO YOU NEED ME TO PAUSE OR COULD WE GO SIGNAGE?
>> NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON, ROSIE.
AGAIN, THESE ARE THE THREE LOCATIONS.
WE HAVE THE FUELING STATION SIGN THAT'S A MAXIMUM OF 5 FEET AS REQUIRED PER THE CITRUS PLAZA SPECIFIC PLAN, THE MONUMENT SIGN AS WELL IS 5 FEET, AND THEN THE IDENTIFICATION SIGN IS 15 FEET, BUT THEY HAVE PROPOSED A 10-FOOT SIGN, SO THESE HERE ARE THE THREE SIGNS WE HAVE FOR THIS PROJECT.
THE IDENTIFICATION SIGN HAS THE THREE TENANTS ALLOTTED SPACES IN THE FRONTAGE AND THEN THERE'S SOME IN THE BACK HERE, SO IT WILL HAVE A TWO-ELEMENT SIDING.
THEY BRING IN THE ELEMENTS OF STONE, STUCCO, AND THEN THE ELEMENT OF THE POSTS HERE WITH BRINGING IN ALL THREE OF THOSE ELEMENTS IN THE SIGNAGE.
IF THERE'S NOT ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN MOVE ON TO JUST FINALIZING THE STAFF REPORT.
>> JUST ONE QUESTION ON THE MONUMENT SIGN.
DO WE KNOW THE HEIGHT OF RALPH'S SIGN YOU? MENTIONED THIS ONE WOULD BE 10 FEET.
IS THIS PRETTY COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE AT CITRUS PLAZA I?
>> SO THE EXISTING CITRUS PLAZA IS LARGER.
I BELIEVE THAT ONE WAS 15 FEET.
AND SO THIS IS MUCH SMALLER THAN THE 15 FEET.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE A MUCH SMALLER ELEMENT TO THAT EXISTING ONE.
>> SO WITH THAT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 1969, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, CONDITIONALLY APPROVING DESIGN REVIEW 20-09-479 THE CENTRAL SITE PLAN, ARCHITECTURAL I, LANDSCAPE AND SIGNAGE FOR 20,750 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIA DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS, COMPRISING 2100 SQUARE FEET AND A MAXIMUM OF NINE FUELING PUMPS AND A CASHIER BOOTH.
THERE ARE ALSO -- YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A MEMO EARLIER TODAY REGARDING THE SUGGESTED OR RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, AND ONE HAS TO DO WITH RECIPROCAL ACCESS, SO IT IS THAT THE APPLICANT AND THE NEIGHBORING EXISTING PLAZA, NEIGHBORING CITRUS PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER TO SIGN AN EASEMENT FOR RECIPROCAL ACCESS.
AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS TO REPORT CC&RS.
AND THOSE ARE COVENANTS TO THE PROPERTIES FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSES, SHARED ACCESS AS WELL, AND ALSO FOR THE SHARING OF THE PARKING.
AND THAT WAY THIS SECURES THIS SHOPPING CENTER TO BE AN EXTENSION AND VICE VERSA OF THE EXISTING CITRUS PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER.
AND WITH THAT, I CONCLUDE THE STAFF REPORT.
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THEY HAVE A VISUAL TO SHOW YOU AND ALSO THEY'RE HERE WITH THEIR TEAM TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.LET ME SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU BEFORE WE OPEN.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? NO? OKAY.
WELL, THEN, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? THE ONLY THING I CAN'T SEE IS I HAVE NO PICTURE.
I HAVE A FEELING THAT I'M NOT THERE, BUT I'M NOT THAT HANDSOME ANYWAY.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THAT.
I'M JUST GOING TO PROCEED AS IF YOU WERE SITTING NEXT TO ME IN THE LIVING ROOM.
I AM -- I WAS ASKED TO START MY VIDEO.
>> AM I STARTING THE VIDEO FOR THE PROJECT?
>> LET ME JUST -- WHY DON'T YOU GIVE ME ABOUT 30 SECONDS JUST TO SAY HELLO AND WE'LL SHOOT RIGHT INTO IT.
ONCE BEEN BOB LICHTER, LICHTER EQUITIES.
WE HAVE OUR ENTIRE TEAM ONLINE WHICH IS OUR ARCHITECT, BILL SHERMAN, WE HAVE RON -- SERGIO FOR RON FERO'S OFFICE, THE ENGINEER.
WE HAVE EDDIE DURAN REPRESENTING THE RALPH'S TEAM, MARK FROM THE LIQUOR EQUITIES SIDE.
JUST A REMINDER LICHTER EQUITIES ALSO OWNS CITRUS PLAZA AND RALPH'S OWNS THEIR PARCEL WHICH IS THE IMMEDIATELY CONTIGUOUS PARCEL TO THE SOUTH.
I WANT THOU, COMMISSIONERS, FOR GETTING TOGETHER AGAIN.
WE HAVE MET MANY TIMES AND OBVIOUSLY A LOT HAS CHANGED FROM OUR FIRST GO-AROUND ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.
I WANT TO THANK KEVIN AND ROSIE FOR A FANTASTIC JOB.
EDDY, ARE YOU ON? CAN YOU HEAR? OKAY.
SO AT ANY RATE, LET'S GO AHEAD AND START THE VIDEO, AND I WON'T TAKE A LOT OF YOUR TIME.
CLEARLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE RIGHT NOW IS A VIDEO ELEVATION LOOKING OVER WHAT WILL BE THE PAVILION PROJECT IF THEY EVER GET IT OFF THE GROUND, AND WE'RE ASSUMING THAT THEY WILL.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT CITRUS PLAZA IN THE MIDDLE TO YOUR RIGHT, AND THEN THE VACANT PARCEL WHICH WILL BE THE EXPANSION AREA, WHICH BY THE WAY WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT MAYBE A DIFFERENT NAME.
COMING UP TO IT, YOU CAN SEE JEFFERSON LEFT TO YOUR RIGHT.
THAT STREET WILL INVOLVE A SLOWDOWN LANES AND RIGHT TURN IN, RIGHT TURN OUT AND A LEFT TURN IN GOING SOUTH.
I KNOW I'M TALKING FAST, BUT THIS WOULD THEN BE RIGHT ABOUT WHERE YOU SEE THOSE PALM TREES IN THE MIDDLE.
YOUR FUEL STATION IS OFF TO YOUR LOWER RIGHT.
AND AS YOU COME IN, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE THIS THING A WOW.
AND I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT ONCE WE REALLY GET INTO WHAT THIS THING IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE ONCE THAT WALL COMES DOWN OVER TO YOUR RIGHT, THAT WE GRADE IT, LEVEL PRETTY MUCH LEVEL WITH CITRUS.
IT'S BEEN PAINTED A WHITE COLOR.
ALL OF THAT PARKING LOT WILL CONNECT AND FLOW INTO WHAT WILL BE SHARED PARKING RIGHT ABOUT WHERE THAT CAR IS TURNING IN FRONT OF OF RALPH'S, AND THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT RALPH'S PUT IN BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE ALL DECIDED WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE FROM THE EAST SIDE OF WHAT WILL BE THE FUEL STATION, A SHARED PARKING AREA AND DELINEATED BY A BIG PROMENADE THAT COMES IN.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT PHASE 1.
OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE THIS THING A REAL NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS COMING NORTH ON JEFFERSON.
OBVIOUSLY YOU SEE THE FUEL STATION ON YOUR RIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TURN INTO THE PROMENADE IF THIS WOMAN WILL NOT WALK IN FRONT OF ME.
YOU'RE SEEING THE DRIVE-THROUGHS ON THE LEFT AND THEN WE COME IN THE MAIN PROMENADE.
WE ARE GOING TO LANDSCAPE THIS AS WELL AS WE CAN POSSIBLY BE ALLOWED TO LANDSCAPE.
WE'RE COMING IN THE MAIN DRAG, TURNING LEFT RIGHT NOW, WHICH WOULD BE NORTH.
YOU'RE SEEING THE TWO RESTAURANT BUILDINGS ON YOUR RIGHT, AND ON THE LEFT ARE THE DRIVE-THROUGHS.
YOU CAN SEE NOW THESE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS GOING ACROSS.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE CAN STOP THIS RIGHT NOW, ROSIE, BUT IF THERE'S ANYWAY TO
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PAUSE, WE CAN ALWAYS DO THAT.WHAT WE'RE -- THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ONE THING THAT'S REALLY CHANGED FROM EVEN THE LAST TIME WE ALL MET, AND IT'S NOTHING SUBSTANTIAL OTHER THAN IT'S EXPENSIVE, ALMOST ALL OF THE TENANTS THAT WE'VE TRIED TO TALK TO, OR WE ARE TALKING TO ARE ALL SCARED TO DEATH RIGHT NOW, AND WE HAVE REALLY GOTTEN THE WORD THAT IF YOU WANT RESTAURANTS AND YOU WANT THE KIND OF RESTAURANTS WE WANT TO PUT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU BETTER DARN WELL NOT JUST HAVE OUTDOOR SEATING BUT YOU'D BETTER HAVE NICE OVERHANGS, HAVE SEGREGATED WALLS SO THAT IF THEY ARE RESTAURANTS WITH A LIQUOR LICENSE, THEY CAN BE SEPARATED, BUT THOSE PATIOS ARE GOING TO BE MUCH BIGGER THAN ORIGINALLY PLANNED.
WE HOPE TO HAVE IT SORT OF A EUROPEAN KIND OF EFFECT.
AND WE'RE KIND OF EXCITED FOR IT.
THE FOUNTAIN, WE THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD PUT THERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT IS IS THAT PRACTICAL WITH ALL THE WIND THAT HAPPENS IN THE VALLEY THERE BECAUSE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S RESTAURANTS ON EITHER SIDE.
ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY WE WON'T DO IT BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS ARTISTIC AT THE SAME TIME THAT IT'S FUNCTIONAL.
ROSIE, IF YOU COULD, YOU CAN JUST KEEP ON GOING.
NOW WE'RE GOING BACK OUT, BACK TOWARDS BASICALLY FACING BACK TOWARD CITRUS PLAZA, AND AS YOU SEE, IF YOU LOOK OFF IN THE DISTANCE YOU'RE LOOKING INTO CITRUS -- NO, NOW WE'VE TURNED THE CORNER.
NOW, THIS IS LOOKING BACK OUT TOWARDS JEFFERSON AND YOU HAVE THE TWO DRIVE-THROUGHS.
PLANNING HAS RECOMMENDED, AND WE'VE AGREED TO DO THESE TOTALLY ENCLOSED BASICALLY -- NOT TOTALLY, BUT FULLY SHIELDED DRIVE-THROUGH AREAS.
THIS IS DRIVING NORTH ONCE AGAIN ON JEFFERSON, AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE THAT IT ALL INTEGRATES WITH SOME PRETTY GOOD-LOOKING FOR LANDSCAPING AND MAKES IT VERY, VERY LIVEABLE.
THIS IS ONCE AGAIN ONE OF YOUR MAIN ENTRANCES, NOT THE PROMENADE BUT WALKING ENTRANCES, AND WE HOPE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE THAT ARE HAVING FUN AND SITTING OUTSIDE AND DOING THE THINGS THAT EVERYBODY LIKES TO DO IN THE DESERT.
SO WITH THAT, WE ARE, AS I MENTIONED LAST TIME WHEN I WAS IN FRONT OF YOU, OUR GOAL IS TO DO THIS PHASE FIRST.
AS TO WHAT WILL BE IN THE SECOND PHASE, WE ARE THINKING STILL THAT IT WILL HAVE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT BECAUSE IT'S LOGICAL TO REALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT MIXED USE OPPORTUNITY.
ALSO, IT'S GOOD FROM THE STANDPOINT OF HAVING A NEIGHBORHOOD GROCER THERE, AND ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW THAT YOU JUST, I GUESS, HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH YOUR APPROVAL OF THE CROSSINGS PROJECT THROUGH PLANNING, I BELIEVE, WHICH IS MY NEIGHBOR TO THE EAST, AND WE ARE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM.
OUR GOAL IS TO INTEGRATE AND CONNECT ALL THESE PROJECTS SO THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE NEVER USING THEIR CARS IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE EVENTUAL, AFTER WE DO ALL OF PHASE 1 AND PHASE 2, OUR GOAL IS THEN TO ROLL BACK THROUGH WITH CITRUS PLAZA AND START TO PERHAPS CHANGE SOME OF THE, BY THAT TIME, THE ARCHITECTURAL UPGRADES THA MAKE IT ALL REALLY FLOW TOGETHER.
RALPH'S IS ON THE PHONE TO ANSWER ABOUT THE PUMPS, BUT I THINK THEIR ANSWER IS GOING TO BE THAT THEY JUST DON'T KNOW FOR SURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO NEED ALL THOSE PUMPS, BUT THEY ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE IF THEY DO, THEY CAN GET THEM AT A FUTURE DATE.
BUT THERE'S ALSO QUESTIONS OF HOW EVERYTHING FLOWS, AND SO WE'RE KIND OF JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE DO THIS CORRECTLY.
THE ONLY THING I WANT TO COME BACK TO AND THEN I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO ALL OF YOU IS WE'VE BEEN STRUGGLING OVER THE NAME CITRUS EXPANSION.
WE THINK IT'S A BIT HOKEY AND IT DOESN'T QUITE DEFINE WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'VE I HAD TO WITH THE IDEA THAT IT'S OBVIOUSLY A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE CONNECTION TO THE EMPIRE AND ALL OF THE FESTIVALS TO THE EAST AND ALSO THE FACT THAT IT'S PART OF THE SOUTHERN HIGHLANDS AREA, AND WE WERE THINKING ABOUT CALLING IT MAYBE THE GATEWAY TO CITRUS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO I DON'T WANT TO SPRING IT ON YOU LATER BUT WE ARE TRYING TO DO A LITTLE
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MARKETING TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN CREATE SOMETHING THAT CLEARLY DEFINES BOTH PROPERTIES BUT DOESN'T CAUSE OUR CITRUS PLAZA TENANTS TO HAVE TO RENAME ALL THEIR STORES.SO WE'RE HOPING WE CAN GET THIS THING GOING.
THE WORLD HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY AND I'M A LITTLE BIT FRIGHTENED,, QUITE FRANKLY, BUT I HAVE EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD AS FAST AS WE CAN.
WE'RE GOING TO BE IN WITH OUR PRECISE GRADING PLAN FAIRLY QUICKLY, AND AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THROUGH THAT WITH OUR CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, WE'RE READY TO GO.
SO I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND I ONCE AGAIN WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY, INCLUDING MARK SCOTT, YOUR CITY MANAGER, WHO I HAPPENED TO HAVE HAD 27 A CHANCE TO MEET IN THE BEGINNING DAYS OF THIS, AND HE'S A WONDERFUL GUY AND WE'RE GOING TO MISS HIM.
>> THANK YOU, MR. LEGISLATURE.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? I HAVE A QUOR RECOMMENDATION.
GIVEN THAT THAT AREA AND I DO SHOP A LOT AND SPEND MY MONEY A LOT HAT THAT.
THE PROXIMITY TO THE COACHELLA FESTIVAL AND THE MOUNTAINS, I'VE SEEN PLACES IN OTHER PARTS OF SHOPPING AREA LIKE IN REDLANDS OR IN DOWNTOWN L.A., I WAS IN DOWNTOWN L.A.
TODAY, BUT LOOKING AT THE FOUNTAIN BECAUSE THE PROXIMITY TO COACHELLA FESTIVAL, AND I WAS BRINGING PUBLIC ART, BUT LIKE THE FOUNTAIN, I LIKE THE FOUNTAIN, BUT LIKE KIND OF AREAS OR PUBLIC SPACES WHERE FOLKS CAN GO AND TAKE PHOTOS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN EXPAND ON THE FOUNTAIN, BUT I'VE SEEN RECENTLY LIKE SOME OF THE SHOPPING AREAS, WHETHER IT BE L.A.
OR DOWNTOWN REDLANDS OR RIVERSIDE WITH SPOTS TO KIND OF LIKE HAVE SOME PUBLIC ART OR PUBLIC SPACE FOR THOSE PHOTOS, GIVEN THE APPROXIMATE IT UP TOWARDS COACHELLA.
I'M JUST KIND OF THROWING IT OUT THERE AS LIKE AN IDEA OR RECOMMENDATION.
WE THOUGHT HAVE A LOT OF THINGS.
AND WE PROBABLY WILL ADAPT SOME FURTHER THOUGHTS AS WE GO ALONG.
ONE THING THAT'S INTERESTING HERE WHEN YOU REALLY LOOK AT IT IS IT'S A VERY SMALL PROJECT.
YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IF YOU MOVE THE FUEL STATION TO THE SIDE, YOU'RE REALLY ONLY TALKING ABOUT 25,000 FEET OF BUILDINGS.
THAT IS BASICALLY LESS THAN WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE SHOP AREAS AT CITRUS PLAZA.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE A BIG MALL LIKE YOU SEE IN LIKE OVER IN PALM DESERT.
THIS IS RELATIVELY SMALL AND WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE PROVIDE A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, A LOT OF PARKING, AND A LOT OF OUTDOOR SEATING AREAS.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN KIND OF SOMETHING THAT'S IN A SIMILAR VEINS YOU'RE DESCRIBING, WE'D LOVE TO DO IT.
WE HAVE NO PROHIBITION POINT BUT WE REALLY HAVE A SPACE LIMITATION.
YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING AT A LITTLE OVER 4.5 ACRES THERE.
>> YEAH, I'VE JUST BEEN THINKING BECAUSE OF THE FOOT TRAFFIC FROM THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, NOAKS THAT COME IN -- FOLKS THAT COME IN, TOURISTS THAT COME IN TO EITHER GET GAS OR TO SHOP OR TO GET SUPPLIES OR FOOD, JUST LIKE A DESTINATION STOP THAT THEY CAN GO AND, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME OF THE YOUNGER KIDS, THEY LIKE TO TAKE PHOTOS, BUT JUST ANOTHER DESTINATION AND JUST LIKE MAYBE AGAIN TBAIKD IT EARLIER, LIKE A PUBLIC SPACE, PUBLIC ART, WHETHER IT BE A FOUNTAIN OR SOMETHING ON THE CORNER, AGAIN, JUST A RECOMMENDATION.
>> CAN I SAY ONE THING, AND I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND AT ALL NEGATIVE.
COACHELLA HAS WONDERFUL ATTRIBUTES FOR THE CITY OF INDIO.
IT ALSO IS A NIGHTMARE FOR US.
WE HAVE, AS YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT KNOWS, WE WORK A LOT WITH THEM.
MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE COME AND N.
AND COULD CARE LESS ABOUT A FOUNTAIN, AND IF IT'S THERE THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO FALL IN IT, AND YOU WOULD -- I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS.
SO ENCOURAGING A LOT OF THEM TO STICK AROUND WHEN THEY'RE REALLY PROBABLY NOT GOING TO USE OUR FACILITIES CONCERNS ME.
I JUST WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT WHAT I'M SAYING.
THEY PULL UP IN THEIR PICKUP TRUCKS AND THEY DRIVE OVER ALL YOUR LANDSCAPING AND THEY'LL DRIVE RIGHT INTO THAT FOUNTAIN.
>> YOU KNOW, SIR, I DISAGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE I SHOP THERE A LOT, AND I'LL SAY MAYBE THERE'S A FEW THAT DO THAT, BUT MOST OF THEM GO IN, AND EVEN WHEN WE TALKING ABOUT STAGECOACH 2, THERE'S A MAJORITY THAT SPEND THEIR MONEY THERE AND IT'S AGAIN THAT FOOT TRAFFIC, I'VE DOWNTOWN L.A.
OR IN, AGAIN, KIND OF GIVE SOME EXAMPLES THERE, BUT JUST AN IDEA TO KIND OF HELP THOSE BUSINESSES THERE WITH THE FOOT TRAFFIC, AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT KIND OF COME AROUND, AND AGAIN THIS IS AN IDEA, JUST A THOUGHT OR A RECOMMENDATION, BUT, YEAH, YOU DO HAVE A LOT OF FAMILIES THAT GO IN THERE FROM OUT OF TOWN, AND IT'S RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
WE HAVE THE POLO PLAYERS THAT GO THERE.
YEAH, THOSE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS AND MY RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE FACT IS WE WOULD LOVE TO MAKE THIS MORE OF THE EQUESTRIAN FRIENDLY BECAUSE
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THEY REALLY DO USE THE FACILITIES.I'VE SEEN THEM AT TWO MADRES AND HEIRLOOM, AND THEY ARE THE TYPES OF PEOPLE WE WANT TO ATTRACT.
WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS TRYING TO PUT TOO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT REALLY THERE FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN A PARTY.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?
>> JUST ON THE -- I REALLY LIKE THE PEDESTRIAN PATHS THAT ARE AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT THE CENTER, AND I DID NOTICE IN THE CITRUS PLAZA I, SOME OF THOSE THE SAME PAVERS, THERE'S SOME KIND OF DESIGN ELEMENT AT THE FRONT RIGHT OFF JEFFERSON AS YOU ENTER INTO THE CENTER.
I DIDN'T SEE THAT AS PART OF THIS, AND I THINK THAT COULD BE A NICE DESIGN.
JEFFERSON IS A VERY FAST STREET, AND SO IF YOU JUST TRANSITION INTO THAT CENTER WITHOUT HAVING SOME ENHANCED PAVERS, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE AT CITRUS PLAZA I, I THINK VEHICLES ARE STILL GOING TO BE FLYING INTO THAT DRIVEWAY, PARTICULARLY IT'S A VERY NICE PROMENADE.
THERE'S NO BUILDINGS THAT REALLY FRONT ON IT.
SO I THINK CONTINUING SOME OF THOSE DESIGN ELEMENTS AT THE FRONT WHERE THE ROADWAY CONNECTS INTO JEFFERSON WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO YOUR PROJECT.
>> I NEED TO DEFER TO BILL MY ARCHITECT, BUT I THINK WE HAVE.
I THINK MAYBE WE'RE NOT SHOWING A GOOD ELEMENT FOR THE PROMENADE.
BILL, ARE YOU ON? MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THEM.
ROSIE, DO YOU GUYS HAVE THOSE PHOTOS OR THE RENDERINGS THAT WE SENT YOU? MAYBE WE CAN RUN THROUGH THOSE.
>> I THINK IT SHOWED PRETTY WELL IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IF YOU HAD THAT SLIDE AVAILABLE.
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WE HAVE THE LANDSCAPE OR THE COLORED SITE PLAN?
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SORT OF AT THE -- >> RIGHT.
>> YOU'RE INTRODUCING SOME OF THOSE PAVING MATERIALS DOWN TO THE FRONT WHERE IT WOULD BE THE CROSSWALK OF THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER.
YEAH, THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT A BAD IDEA.
BOB, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE ANY PROBLEM INTRODUCING SOME OF THE SAME PAVING MATERIALS IN THAT GENERAL AREA AS YOU CROSS THE FRONT END.
I'VE ALWAYS LIKED THE IDEA OF CALLING IT A PROMENADE.
I GUESS THE ONLY THING IS WHEN YOU PUT A LOT OF PAVERS WHERE THEY'RE TURNING IN AND THEY'RE TURNING OUT, DOES THAT CREATE SOMETHING WHERE THE OIL AND ALL THE RESIDUE FROM CARS MAKES IT DISCOLORED MORE? YOU'RE THE ARCHITECT.
3 THERE THAT WOULD BE OUT OF PAVING MATERIALS.
I THINK THAT WOULD ACTUALLY TIE IT TOGETHER.
>> I THINK COMMISSIONER CEJA HAS A GREAT IDEA.
>> I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION TO THAT.
WOULD THAT BE THE MAIN ENTRANCE AS WELL AS THE SECONDARY OR WE'RE TALKING JUST ABOUT THE MAIN ENTRANCE?
JUST ON THAT FARTHEST NORTH ONE TO REALLY DEFINE THE PEDESTRIAN PLACE AS YOU'RE CROSSING THE STREET BUT I THINK IT'S A REALLY NICE ARRIVAL WHEN YOU'RE COMING OFF JEFFERSON INTO THAT FIRST PROMENADE TO HAVE SOMETHING THERE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I GUESS EQUIVALENT TO THE GRANDNESS WITH THE LANDSCAPE FOR THE PROMENADE.
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SO I WOULD SAY BOTH, BOTH WOULD NEED IT.>> YOU KNOW, I MIGHT JUMP IN JUST BECAUSE COMMISSIONER CEJA BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE ABOUT THE WALL.
WE BASICALLY ARE TRYING TO GO ALONG AND BE COOPERATIVE WITH WHAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS RECOMMENDED.
WE DON'T REALLY THINK IT'S THAT GREAT OF AN IDEA ON YOUR NORTHERLY WALL THERE WHERE RIGHT NOW IT IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL, BUT WE HAVE AN EXPECTATION THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMEDAY MORE COMMERCIAL, AND THE IDEA OF PUTTING A WALL ALL THE WAY FROM JEFFERSON ALL THE WAY BACK THERE THAT'S THIS BIG BEHEMOTH WHEN THERE'S NOTHING NEXT DOOR TO US, REMEMBER, THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE RED LINE ON THE LEFT SIDE, AFTER YOU GET, LET'S JUST SAY, HALFWAY THROUGH THE PROJECT, THERE REALLY ISN'T ANYTHING.
THERE'S A LITTLE, I THINK IT'S A, LIKE A TACK HOUSE THERE OR SOMETHING, BUT THERE'S JUST ONE HOUSE THAT'S SET BACK A LONG WAYS.
AND PUTTING THIS WALL UP, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE UGLY.
3 JUST A SIMPLE OLD BLOCK WALL, I DON'T THINK IT REALLY IS GOING TO LOOK THAT GOOD.
IT CERTAINLY HAS NO FUNCTIONALITY BECAUSE HE ALREADY HAS HIS PRIVATE PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I'D LIKE YOU ALL TO CONSIDER.
IT'S JUST TO ME PUTTING THAT WHOLE BLOCK WALL ALL THE WAY BACK THERE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, FOR A WHILE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE HALF THIS PROPERTY WITH, YOU KNOW, WILDFLOWERS OR WHATEVER IT IS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PUTTING IN THERE.
IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE -- IT'S LIKE YOU'RE PUTTING UP A WALL IN EVERYBODY'S FACE.
AND THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON WITH THIS CENTER THAT IN A WAY, IF YOU JUST PICTURE THIS, IF YOU'RE COMING SOUTH ON JEFFERSON, COMMISSIONER CEJA, YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT AND YOU'RE VERY ARTISTIC, PICTURE COMING SOUTH AND YOU'RE TRYING TO LOOK OVER AND LOOK AT THIS HOPEFULLY BEAUTIFUL PROJECT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE GAIN BY DOING THAT.
THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO MAKE THIS THING AN EXCITING DEVELOPMENT.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING, THE PERSPECTIVE OF COMING SOUTH ON JEFFERSON AND YOU HAVE A 6-FOOT WALL THERE N.
BOB, MY QUESTION WAS -- MY EFFECTS QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE HOW ABOUT TIMING FOR YOUR PHASE 2? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA -- I KNOW IN THE SPECIFIC PLAN THERE'S A BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY IN WHAT PHASE 2 CAN DEVELOP INTO.
DO YOU HAVE ANY TIMING OF THAT?
>> OH, YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE HOW MANY DIFFERENT THINGS WE'VE LOOKED AT, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE THINKING THE WAY IT'S GOING, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE SOME, WHAT WE WOULD DESCRIBE AS TWO-STORY TOWNHOMES THAT ARE GOING TO BE FACING RIGHT INTO -- FACING RIGHT INTO OUR YOU RECALL LAST TIME WE WERE IN FRONT OF YOU, WE SHOWED YOU A PICTURE OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE CORONAVIRUS.
I CAN'T TELL YOU FROM ONE DAY TO THE NEXT WHETHER I EVEN HAVE TENANTS IN SOME OF MY CENTERS, SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO GO -- FIRST I WANT TO GET THIS BUILT AND DEVELOPED AND LEASED.
MY GOAL CLEARLY IS TO KEEP GOING, BUT I DON'T KNOW -- THE WORLD IS SORT OF STANDING ON A PINHEAD RIGHT NOW, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, SO I'M NOT TRYING TO BE EVASIVE.
>> ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, AGAIN THINGS ARE VERY IN FLUX, WE'LL SAY.
DO YOU HAVE LETTERS OF INTENT OR DO YOU KNOW WHAT POTENTIAL TENANTS ARE LOOKING AT YOUR SITE NOW? ANYONE YOU COULD SHARE?
>> WHAT I'M GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU IS THAT WE HAVE THE FUEL STATION, PERIOD, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAD SWORE TO US THEY WERE GHIEG TO OPEN THE RESTAURANTS, SOME OF WHOM KIND OF INDICATED WHEN WE LAST MET, A FRENCH RESTAURANT, ITALIAN RESTAURANT, A COFFEE PLACE, IF YOU WILL, EVERYBODY IS SITTING BACK THAT WE'VE TALKED TO WAITING TO SEE ARE WE GOING TO BUILD THIS.
AND SO OUR NEXT STEP, AND IT'S RISK FOR ME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING AT SPEC, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD TO WHAT WE BELIEVE IS THE APPROPRIATE DEMAND, WE WANT TO CREATE SOME EXCITEMENT.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME PRETTY SPECIAL MARKING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING ON THIS THING.
BUT YOU CAN'T JUST PUT A SIGN UP ON A VACANT LOT AND SAY "COMING SOON.
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SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND WE HAVE A PRETTY SOPHISTICATED MARKETING WOMAN THAT'S GOING TO BE WORKING WITH US, WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING FROM BEGINNING 34 TO END SHOWING PEOPLE WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE WITH VIDEOS THAT ARE SOUND AND PRETTY MUSIC AND BIRDS AND ALL THAT, AND WE'RE GOING TO -- WE'RE GOING TO GO AFTER THE TYPES OF TENANTS THAT WE WANT AND WE'RE GOING TO SHOW THEM WHY THEY CAN'T AFFORD NOT TO BE THERE BECAUSE THIS IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT MAY GO ACROSS THE STREET.GOOD LUCK TO THEM, BUT WHAT WE'RE CREATING IS, YOU KNOW, A BEAUTIFUL ENVIRONMENT.
AND AS I SAY, I THINK WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE HAD THIS THING MOSTLY LEASED, BUT THE WORLD CHANGED.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CUTE ABOUT IT.
I THINK WE WOULD HAVE HAD IT LEASED.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? NO? OKAY.
WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED THE OTHER APPROVALS AND LOOKED AT THIS, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE TWO SITES LOOKING THEY WERE PART OF THE SAME PROJECT.
AND I LIKE THE MODERN LOOK OF THE NEW PROJECT, BUT IT DEFINITELY DOESN'T MATCH WHAT'S CURRENTLY MORE OF A SANTA BARBARA STYLE INSIDE OF THE CITRUS, THE CURRENT CITRUS PLAZA.
YOU HAD MENTIONED LOOKING TO MAYBE GIVE A FACELIFT TO THE CITRUS I DOWN THE ROAD.
IS THAT KIND OF WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE?
AND I DID MENTION LAST TIME THAT WE WANTED TO AND STILL WILL TRY AND DO IT WHERE WE WERE GOING TO MORE OUTDOOR SEATING, AND LET'S SAY ENCLOSED SHEAGHT, AND THE FACT IS -- SEATING, AND THE FACT IS WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO DO IT.
WHEN WE DID HEIRLOOM AND TWO MADRES WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT THAT.
NOW WE ARE MANDATED TO DO IT HERE.
NOW WE'RE TRYING TO ADAPT WHAT'S AT 35 CITRUS PLAZA.
I'M SURE YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE AT HEIRLOOM AND CITRUS, AND I LOVE THIS WOMAN THAT SPENT ALL THIS MONEY TO BUILD A BIG TENT AND EVERYTHING AND NOW SHE'S SHUT DOWN.
SO OUR GOAL IS WHEN WE CAN DO THAT, BECAUSE WE HELP OUR TENANTS A LOT, IS TO START ADAPTING CERTAIN ELEMENTS THAT'S HERE OVER THERE.
SOME OF THEM ARE NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO DO.
AS FAR AS WHETHER YOU GO IN AND YOU EVENTUALLY RIP OFF SPANISH TILE AND YOU DO ALL THAT, THAT STUFF IS -- IT CAN BE DONE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE STRUCTURE, BUT THERE ARE ENCLOSED AREAS THAT WE THINK CAN BE BETTER SERVED.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPACE BETWEEN CVS AND RALPH'S, IT'S KIND OF A NATURAL TO AT LEASE PUT IN SOME ELEMENTS WHERE YOU HAVE SEATING, PEOPLE COME OUT OF RALPH'S FROM THEIR DELICATESSEN AND THEY WANT TO SIT DOWN SOMEWHERE.
AND IS RALPH'S ONBOARD SINCE THEY OWN THEIR BUILDING AND THEIR LAND, WHICH IS PART OF THE PROJECT, SO HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS BEEN HAD WITH THEM ABOUT DOING THAT FACADE? BECAUSE THEY ARE THE 800-POUND GORILLA IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER.
>> WELL, RALPH'S IS ONLINE, AND BY THE WAY WE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP, AND I THE TOP MAN HAS A RELATIONSHIP IN REAL ESTATE ON THE EAST COAST, I WISH HE COULD BE ON SO HE COULD LAUGH ABOUT THIS.
WHAT HE WOULD PROBABLY SAY, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO TO DO IT, BOB, YOU ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR PART OF IT OR ALL OF IT.
SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL THINGS I THINK THEY APPROPRIATE TIME ARE GOING TO BE I BELIEVE MORE THAN WILLING, BUT I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM THERE.
WHAT I CAN SPEAK FOR IS THEY'VE BEEN EXTREMELY ACCOMMODATING TRYING TO GET 3 THEY WORK FOR US, AND IT'S A BIG HOME RUN FOR RALPH'S, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE.
WE'RE GIVING THEM A MUCH BIGGER SHARED PARKING AREA.
SO AS LONG AS WE KEEP UP THE GOOD RELATIONSHIP.
REMEMBER, THEY DON'T OWN WHERE THEIR BUILDING ENDS AND MY SHOPS BEGIN.
BUT WE'RE NEVER GOING TO DO SOMETHING WHERE WE ALIENATE THEM OR VICE VERSA.
THEY, I'M SURE, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT IT, WOULD LOVE TO SEE US HAVE SOME EATING AREAS, WHICH THEY DON'T HAVE, AND GET PEOPLE WALKING OUT OF THEIR STORES SITTING DOWN.
SO I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE KROGER COMPANIES BUT I CAN TELL YOU THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY COOPERATIVE.
>> EDDIE, ARE YOU ONLINE? HE CAN TELL.
>> YOU MADAME CHAIR, IF I MAY.
I HAD A QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER NICCO YSIANO REGARDING THE SEVEN PUMPS VERSUS THE NINE PUMPS DESIGN ISSUE, AND SO IF I COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT OR THE
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APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE TO SPEAK ON THAT MATTER.DO WE HAVE KROGER ON THE LINE?
>> TO GIVE AN EXPLANATION ON WHY SEVEN PUMPS NOW VERSUS NINE PUMPS?
WHAT WE DECIDED WAS TO START WITH THE SEVEN DISPENSERS FOR DEMAND, BUT IF IT'S CONDITIONED, WE ARE WILLING TO DO THE NINE.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER YSIANO? IS HE ON THE CALL OR -- NICCO? CAN'T HEAR HIM RIGHT NOW, SO MAYBE THAT DID ANSWER HIS QUESTION.
I WAS TRYING TO REBOOT THE ZOOM MEETING.
BUT, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T REALLY ANSWER MY QUESTION.
MY QUESTION WASN'T NECESSARILY THAT.
MY QUESTION IS WHY NOT BUILD OUT ALL NINE AT ONCE OR LEAVE IT AT SEVEN.
DO YOU ANTICIPATE NOT HAVING THE NEED FOR THAT MANY PUMPS?
>> WE'VE ALWAYS STARTED OUT WITH SEVEN BASED ON JUST DEMAND AND BRINGING THINGS UP TO SPEED AND WITH THE CONDITION THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY EXPAND IF REQUIRED.
SO I GUESS SEVEN AND WE'LL WAIT AND SEE IF IT'S BUSY OR NOT AND THEN ADD TWO MORE IF NEEDED?
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? NO? DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM?
IF WE HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON TO COMMISSION DELIBERATIONS.
SO COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I THINK EVERYBODY IS ON CHRISTMAS BREAK ALREADY.
>> I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THE MODERN LOOK AND I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS COMING INTO THE ORIGINAL SITE TO MAKE AT A MORE COHESIVE.
I APPRECIATE THE CONCENTRATION ON THE LANDSCAPING, AND I'M HOPING THAT AS YOU ARE ALL BUILDING OUT, THAT THOSE TREES LOOK THE WAY THAT THEY LOOK ON THESE RENDERINGS.
SHADING -- SHADE IS SUCH A NEED OUT HERE FOR OUR COMMUNITY, AND I CAN IMAGINE THAT THE RESIDENTS FROM INDIO WILL BE VERY, VERY MUCH WANTING TO SPEND TIME THERE IF WE MAKE IT SO THAT IT'S AN ACCOMMODATING PLACE FOR THEM TO GO SIT 38 AND HAVE YOGURT OR A DELI OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, AND SO I APPRECIATE THE CONCENTRATION THE LANDSCAPE AND KUDOS TO THE LANDSCAPE TEAM FOR THINKING ABOUT MAKING IT A VERY INVITING AND GREEN SPACE.
I WOULD RECOMMEND MORE PLANTS, MORE TREES, MORE CARBON AND MORE SHADE.
I JUST WANT TO SAY FOR BRINGING THIS TO A CLOSE.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CEJA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
I DO ALSO LIKE THE LOOK OF THIS SECOND EDITION TO THE PLAZA.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAYBE AS THIS IS BEING BUILT THAT SOME OF THOSE CHANGES TO THE EXISTING CITRUS PLAZA BE MADE AT THAT TIME SO THAT ONCE THE SECOND PART IS DONE, THEY ALL HAVE SOME COHESIVENESS RATHER THAN EVENTUALLY THE CITRUS I CATCHING BACK UP TO THE CITRUS 2.
I DO APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT OF THE EXTRA SEATING IN THE RESTAURANTS.
THAT'S GOING TO BE KEY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG OUTDOOR DINING IS GOING TO BE A CRUCIAL PART FOR RESTAURANTS AND FOR THEIR SUCCESS.
I DO HOPE YOU ARE ABLE TO HELP THE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE CITRUS I EXPAND SOME PATIOS MAYBE, TAKE AWAY A LITTLE BIT OF PARKING AND HELP THEM GET A
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LITTLE BIT MORE REAL ESTATE FOR OUTDOOR DINING, IF NECESSARY, BUT, YEAH, THAT'S MY THOUGHT.I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE THE CITRUS I BE COHESIVE WITH THE NEW ADDITION FROM THE BEGINNING.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER YSIANO.
COMMISSIONER CEJA, ANY COMMENTS?
INITIALLY WHEN I SAW THE RENDERINGS AND THE DRAWINGS, I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT MAYBE INCOMPATIBILITY OR A CHANGE IN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE FROM WHAT'S THERE NOW.
I LOOKED AT THE SPECIFIC PLAN.
WE DID TALK ABOUT A MORE MODERN DESIGN FOR THIS CENTER.
IT'S GOOD TO HEAR THAT THE PHASE 1 OR CITRUS WILL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO UPDATE THEIR ARCHITECTURE AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S WHEN WE CAN REALLY START BLENDING THE TWO CENTERS IN TERMS OF DESIGN BACK TOGETHER.
I THINK I'M HESITANT TO RECOMMEND SOME SORT OF TIMELINE FOR THAT GIVEN KIND OF THE STATE THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M HOPING THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AS THAT ORIGINAL CENTER ALSO GETS UPDATED TO BE MORE MODERNIZED WITH WHAT'S BEING APPROVED TODAY OR CONSIDERED TODAY.
OVERALL I THOUGHT THERE'S A GOOD USE OF MATERIALS AND DESIGN.
I APPRECIATE BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT'S CONSIDERATION FOR THE DRIVE-THROUGHS.
I REALLY LIKE HOW THOSE TURNED OUT WITH THE EXPANDND CANOPIES.
I THINK THAT WORKS REALLY WE'LL ARCHITECTURALLY PLUS PROVIDES A LOT OF SHADE FOR VEHICLES, IT HELPS WITH THE STREAMING.
I THINK THAT WORKS REALLY WELL.
AND I REALLY LIKE THE EFFORT PUT INTO THE PEDESTRIAN SPACE, THE GRAND PROMENADE FOR THE SPHWRI.
I DO SUPPORT THOSE RAISED CROSSWALKS ONCE YOU'RE IN THE CENTER.
I THINK THAT'S THE A GREAT WAY TO SLOW VEHICLES DOWN, PROVIDE A SAFER SPACE FOR PEDESTRIANS.
OVERALL, I'M PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT.
I DID HAVE PERHAPS ONE CONCERN ON I THINK IT'S BUILDING F WHERE THEY'RE SHOWING THE VERTICAL CITRUS SIGN.
A, I THINK THE SIGN IS PRETTY COOL.
I WAS CONCERNED WITH ITS OVERALL HEIGHT.
BUT SHOWING IN THE SPECIFIC PLAN THAT IT COMPLIES OR IS BELOW THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT AND GIVEN THAT THE SINGLE STORY BUILDINGS AROUND IT ARE AT 25 FEET, THERE'S REALLY ONLY 7 FEET MORE TO THAT SIGN THAN THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
I THINK ONCE YOU SEE PHASE 2 AND EVERYTHING ELSE DEVELOP OUT, I DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH A CONCERN WITH IT.
4 GOOD CONSIDERATION AND THOUGHT PUT INTO THIS PLAN.
VICE CHAIR LOPEZ, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
>> I WOULD JUST AGAIN AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CEJA, RODRIGUEZ CEJA AND YSIANO'S COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO THE SHADE, THE COLOR SCHEME.
THE COLOR SCHEME I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT IN REGARDS TO TIMELINE.
I SHOP THERE A LOT, AND I, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A TIMELINE, I WOULD HOPE IN THE NEAR FUTURE WE CAN KIND OF GET THE CURRENT CITRUS PLAZA KIND OF LOOKING THE SAME AS THE NEW MODERN ONE.
ALSO, WITH THE FOOT TRAFFIC IT'S JUST AN IDEA AGAIN WITH PUBLIC ART, INCORPORATING SOME PUBLIC ART OR KIND OF ENHANCING THE FOUNTAIN BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT FOLKS WILL USUALLY COME AND GET GAS, AND I'VE SEEN THIS BY OBSERVING SOME FOLKS WILL GET OUT AND TAKE PHOTOS, AGAIN, MAYBE SOMETHING HISTORICAL LIKE AN ART PIECE THERE TO KIND BRING IN THE FOOT TRAFFIC, BUT OTHERWISE, OTHER THAN THAT I THINK THE PEDESTRIAN COLORS ARE FINE.
A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE GAS PUMPS, BUT THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS.
I'M REALLY EXCITED BECAUSE I DO SHOP THERE A LOT.
AGAIN, I'M THERE EVERY OTHER DAY.
SO AGAIN, LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THIS EXPANSION, AND AGAIN, YOU WILL MAKE MORE MONEY THAN LA QUINTA.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
THE DEVELOPER BROUGHT UP THE NEED FOR THE WALL ALL THE WAY ALONG THE NORTH EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.
IT IS GOING TO STAND OUT PRETTY DRAMATICALLY WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING SOUTH ON JEFFERSON.
SO CAN YOU MAYBE GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF RATIONALE AND WHY THE CITY IS REQUESTING THAT WALL AND WHAT THE PLUSES AND MINUSES ARE OF THAT WALL.
>> AND I'LL GIVE IT A STAB AND THEN HAVE KEVIN PROBABLY CONTINUE IT.
SO AS PART OF THE CITRUS PLAZA SPECIFIC PLAN, WE HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT OF INSTALLING A NORTH WALL AND AN EAST WALL, SO THAT IS WHERE THIS CONDITION IS COMING FROM.
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NOW, THIS IS GIVING IT THE TIMING OF INSTALLING THE WALL DURING THIS PHASE 1 FOR THE NORTHERN WALL.AND AT THE TIME OF THE SPECIFIC PLAN, THE NORTHERN AND THE EASTERN WALLS WERE TO BE INSTALLED BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ABUTTING RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT HAVE PLANS IN THE FUTURE FOR SOMETHING ELSE, BUT RIGHT NOW IN TODAY'S ZONING CODE THEY ARE RESIDENTIALLY ZONED, BOTH THE NORTH AS WELL AS THE EAST WALL.
AND THE CONDITION FOR THE 6-FOOT IS OUR STANDARD FOR JUST A PERIMETER WALL FOR RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL ABUTTING PROPERTIES.
SO THAT IS WHERE WE WERE COMING FROM FOR THAT WALL.
>> I CAN ADD, CHAIR, JUST TWO ADDITIONAL POINTS.
ONE IN ORDER FOR THE COMMISSION NOT TO IMPLEMENT A STANDARD FROM THE SPECIFIC PLAN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE FINDING AS TO WHY THAT STANDARD SHOULD NOT BE COMPLIED WITH.
AND AS ASSOCIATE PLANNER POINTED OUT, THAT STANDARD WAS PUT IN PLACE AS A WAY TO ADDRESS THE DIFFERENCE IN ZONING BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
THE OTHER POINT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS THAT WHILE WE RESPECT THAT THERE MAY BE FUTURE CHANGES FOR PROPERTIES IN THE FUTURE, THE REALITY IS THAT TODAY, AS ASSOCIATE PLANNER LUA POINTED OUT, THAT PROPERTY TO THE IMMEDIATE NORTH AND PROPERTIES TO THE NORTHEAST ARE ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES, AND IT'S NOT 42 GOOD PRACTICE FOR THE COMMISSION TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON SPECULATION OF FUTURE ACTIONS WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPROVED BY THE CITY IN THE FUTURE.
I JUST WANTED A LITTLE CLARIFICATION THERE.
SO MY EFFECTS NEXT CONCERN IS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A NICE BLANK WALL, WHICH MIGHT ATTRACT ART OR TAGGING.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO -- I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT OR JUST SOMETHING THAT WE'RE FOR EXAMPLE GO TO HAVE TO KEEP UP I WITH LIKE WE DO WITH THE REST OF THE CITY, BUT THAT'S MY OTHER CONCERN, THAT LENGTH OF A BLANK WALL.
>> YOU AND THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE THE DISCRETION TO ESTABLISH STANDARDS FOR THE DESIGN OF THAT WALL, INCLUDING ANY SPECIALIZED TREATMENT SUCH AS GRAFFITI TREATMENT THROUGH ITS DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS, SO WHILE THE SPECIFIC PLAN DOES NOT SPECIFY A CERTAIN DESIGN OF THE WALL, YOU AND THE REST OF THE COMMISSION CAN AS PART OF YOUR DECISION MAKING THIS EVENING SPECIFY THAT ALONG WITH ANY STANDARD OR WITH ANY SPECIALIZED TREATMENTS SUCH AS GRAFFITI, AGREEMENT OF ABATEMENT APPLICATION.
>> CHAIR, IF I COULD, I WANT TO ADDRESS ONE ADDITIONAL ISSUE THAT THE COMMISSIONERS TALKED ABOUT BEFORE YOU MOVE TO ANY SORT OF MOTION ACTION.
THERE WERE SEVERAL REFERENCES MADE TO THE EXISTING CITRUS PLAZA AND THE POTENTIAL FOR REVITALIZATION OF THAT PLAZA SO THAT IT MIGHT MORE CLOSELY ALIGN THE WITH DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT.
I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COMMISSION I'M SURE THAT ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY HIDESELMAN CAN EXPAND UPON MY STATEMENT IF NEEDED, BUT IT NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE COMMISSION TO CONDITION THE FUTURE REVITALIZATION OF THAT PLAZA DURING THIS DESIGN PROCESS.
THAT'S A SEPARATE PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING ASSESSOR'S PARCEL NUMBER, SO WOULD IT NOT BE APPROPRIATE AND I WOULD DISCOURAGE THE COMMISSION FROM ESTABLISHING ANY SORT OF CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR THE JANET PROPERTY THAT IS NOT THE SUBJECT OF -- ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT IS NOT THE SUBJECT OF TONIGHT'S MEETING AND PERHAPS ASSISTANT ATTORNEY HEINSELMAN WANTS TO SPEAK ON IT FURTHER.
>> THANK YOU, I THINK THAT'S SPOT ON.
I DIDN'T HEAR IT AS ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS YET MAKING THAT CONDITION.
I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT IS WORTHWHILE DISCUSSING, BUT THE COMMISSION, IT WOULDN'T BE WITHIN THE COMMISSION'S AUTHORITY TO CONDITION SOMETHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE A SEPARATE PROPERTY, SEPARATE DESIGN REVIEW APPLICATION AT A LATER POINT WITHIN THIS ACTION THIS EVENING.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WERE PLANNING TO ADD ANY CONDITION.
IT'S JUST PART OF OUR CONVERSATION FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT WE WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE APPLICANT, SO I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS TIME? OR DO I HAVE A MOTION? I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE ABATEMENT GRAFFITI TREATMENT UNLESS THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY ISSUES ALONG THAT WALL.
>> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, AND AGAIN, AN IDEA FOR PUBLIC ART ON THAT WALL.
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>> SO ARE WE LOOKING AT RESOLUTION 1969? OKAY.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 1969, SUBJECT TO MODIFICATIONS OF CONDITIONS 10 AND 11 IN ACCORDANCE WITH STAFF'S MEMO DATED TODAY ALONG WITH CONDITION THAT THE NORTHERN WALL, THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF FOR A FINISH THAT IS COMPATIBLE IN COLOR 44 OR MATERIAL TO THE FINISH OF THE SHOPPING CENTER AND INCLUDE A GRAFFITI ABATEMENT APPLICATION AND THAT WE ADD A CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT CONTINUE THE ENHANCED PAVER DESIGN AT THE PROJECT ENTRY DRIVEWAYS ALONG JEFFERSON.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
DO WE HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION?
>> JUST TO CLARIFY WITH COMMISSIONER CEJA IN HIS MOTION TO THE DESIGN REVIEW APPLICATION REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL REVIEW UNDER THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
>> SO WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND.
IF NO MORE DISCUSSION, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
>> COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ CEJA.
WE'RE STILL LOOKING FORWARD TO THE EXPANSION INTO CONTINUING TO SEE THAT CITRUS PLAZA GROW.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANY ACTION ITEMS. AND WE HAVE NO STUDY SESSION ITEMS. ITEM 11, STAFF ITEMS.
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>> MADAME CHAIR, I'LL GO FIRST.
I'M SURE SENIOR PLANNER NAMVAR HAS A COUPLE ITEMS, BUT AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO OUR FIRE MARSHAL CAPTAIN DALE FRALEY.
HE'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS.
I JUST WANTED TO LET THE PLANNING COMMISSION KNOW THAT THIS IS MY LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, BUT I'LL BE ATTENDING AS THE FIRE MARSHAL FOR THE CITY OF INDIO.
AFTER 33 YEARS I WILL BE RETIRING AT THE END OF THIS YEAR.
SO I WANT -- I'VE ATTENDING MANY, MANY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS THAT I'VE SERVED AS THE FIRE MARSHAL AND I'VE ENJOYED ALL THE MEETINGS AND I'VE ENJOYED LISTENING TO ALL THE COMMISSIONERS AND I'VE PROBABLY LEARNED MORE THAN YOU'VE LEARNED FROM ME AS FAR AS HOW THE PLANNING PROCESS WORKS, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, AND I KNOW THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE ON WITH THE VISION THAT'S BEEN SET FOR THE CITY WHEN IT COMES TO DESIGN REVIEW AND LAND USE.
AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SERVE HERE IN THE CITY OF INDIO.
JUST A LITTLE QUICK BACKGROUND, I DID START WITH THE CITY OF INDIO, CITY OF INDIO FIRE DEPARTMENT IN NOVEMBER OF 1987.
SO I'M ONE OF THE LAST ORIGINAL INDIO CITY FIREFIGHTERS THAT'S GOING TO BE RETIRING SINCE WE TRANSITIONED UNDER THE STATE SERVICE CONTRACT.
BUT AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SERVED AS THE FIRE MARSHAL HERE IN THE CITY OF INDIO AND AGAIN I'VE ENJOYED MY TIME WORKING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, AND I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST OF LUCK.
CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR RETIREMENT AND ALL YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE.
>> THANK YOU, DALE, FOR ALL YOUR SERVICE.
ANY OTHER STAFF ITEMS? I THINK WE HAD A COUPLE MORE, CORRECT?
I JUST HAVE ONE ITEM, I BELIEVE, WHICH IS THE EMAIL THAT I SENT TO THE
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COMMISSION REGARDING THE CAUSE OF THE DESERT STUDENT PRESENTATION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MEETING.BECAUSE THEIR TERM ENDS BEFORE THE NEW YEAR, SO WE COULDN'T GET THEM TO ATTEND A REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SO THE DATE IS DECEMBER 17TH.
MY TEAM MET WITH THEM VIA ZOOM.
WE WENT OVER THE DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN.
THEY CHOSE TWO SITES IN THE DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN.
AND ONE IS THE ONE RIGHT ACROSS STILL WITH THE OLD CHURCH WITH THE STONE FRONTAGE, AND ONE IS NORTH OF THE CITY HALL.
SO THEY ARE VERY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO GET A REALTIME OR REAL EXPERIENCE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND A DESERTS SUN REPORTER WILL ALSO BE THERE TO WRITE A NICE STORY ABOUT THEIR EFFORT AND ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH THOSE TWO PROPERTIES AND I ATTENDED THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO I HAVE RECEIVED TWO RESPONSES BACK, ONE WAS YES, ONE WAS NO, SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS LABEL TO ATTEND THE MEETING ON DECEMBER 17TH, WHICH WILL BE, IF THE COMMISSION ATTENDS, THEN IT WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING, WE WILL HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING.
WE WILL HAVE THAT AND WE WOULD LIKE ZACH HEINSELMAN TO ALSO ATTEND AND DO THAT.
IF NOT, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR COMMISSIONERS, THEN THE STAFF WILL DO JUST A MOCK-UP, AND I'M SUPPOSED TO BE THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
IN THAT MOCK-UP ROLE, NOT IN THE REAL ROLE.
>> LEILA, I'M AVAILABLE FOR THAT MEETING.
>> I'M UNFORTUNATELY NOT AVAILABLE FOR THAT MEETING, BUT I WISH I COULD BE.
>> LEILA, I WON'T KNOW FOR SURE UNTIL PROBABLY EARLY NEXT WEEK.
I MAY TENTATIVELY BE OUT OF TOWN THAT WEEK.
SO BECAUSE IT'S A SPECIAL MEETING, SO I GUESS WE JUST NEED TO NOTIFY 24 HOURS BEFORE, SO LET ME SEE IF NEXT WEEK -- ALL RIGHT.
YOU WILL BE ABLE TO LET US KNOW ON THE 14TH?
>> I'LL BE ABLE TO PROBABLY LET YOU KNOW BY FRIDAY.
SO I'LL WAIT FOR YOU UNTIL FRIDAY.
IF YOU HAVE IT FREE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE COMMISSIONER LOPEZ SAID SHE CAN ATTENDS, SO WE WILL HAVE THREE COMMISSIONERS SO THAT'S' QUORUM AND EK WE CAN HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING.
I JUST WANT, ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IT HAS BEEN BEYOND QUESTION AN EVENTFUL YEAR, CERTAINLY IN MY CAREER.
WE HAVE PUT EVERYTHING IN FRONT OF YOU IN TERMS OF CHALLENGES, AND YOU AS A COMMISSION HAVE ROSE TO THOSE CHALLENGES EACH AND EVERY TIME, WHETHER IT BE NEW TECHNOLOGY OR THE DIFFERENCES IN HOW WE'RE COMMUNICATING, AND SO I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND JUST SAY THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR FLEXIBILITY, UNDERSTANDING AND YOUR CONTINUED VOLUNTEER COMMITMENT TO THE CITY, YOUR SUPPORT OF US AS STAFF, AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO ROLL WITH THE PUNCHES, IF YOU WILL.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR AN EVENTFUL YEAR.
I HOPE, HOPE, HOPE 2021 IS NOT AS EVENTFUL AND THAT'S WE CAN GET BACK TO A LITTLE BIT OF WHATEVER NORMAL WILL BE, BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AGAIN ON BEHALF EVERYONE HERE AT THE DEPARTMENT AND AT THE CITY.
YOUR VOLUNTEER SERVICE TO THE CITY IS DEEPLY APPRECIATED.
ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME?
[12. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS]
>> I'LL THROW THAT THANK YOU RIGHT BACK AT YOU.
I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS THAT STAFF IS WORKING AND ALSO ADAPTING NOT ONLY WITH BUSINESS SUPPORT PROGRAMS THAT THEY HAVE HAD TO COME UP WITH BUT ALL THE ENTITLEMENT PROCESSES THAT YOU GUYS ARE ALL WORKING ON.
IT'S GREATLY APPRECIATED BY EVERYBODY.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO? OKAY.
WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO, OF COURSE, ALSO ECHO COMMISSIONER CEJA'S COMMENTS.
WE ARE WELL AWARE OF ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT THE STAFF HAD TO TAKE ON IN THE MIDDLE
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OF A VERY BUSY YEAR ON ANY NORMAL YEAR STANDARD, IT'S BEEN UNBELIEVABLY A CHALLENGING YEAR, BUT I THINK THE CITY AND THE STAFF HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN STEPPING UP AND DOING WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE WITH WHATEVER RESOURCES WE HAD AVAILABLE.SO WE CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
I BELIEVE THIS IS MY LAST MEETING AS CHAIR, CORRECT? BECAUSE IN JANUARY IT WOULD MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PERSON EVEN THOUGH I KNOW WE HAVEN'T HAD THE SWEARINGINGS IN YET OF THE COUNCIL.
ZACH, FOR TELLING ME WHEN I CAN DO SOMETHING AND WHEN I CAN'T DO SOMETHING.
AND FOR ALL THE COMMISSIONERS, YOUR COMMENTS, THE STAFF, AND I REALLY, REALLY ENJOYED BEING PART OF THIS GROUP, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY CONTINUING TO DO THAT, AND I WANT TO WISH ALL A VERY HAPPY HOLIDAY, MERRY CHRISTMAS.
STAY SAFE AND WE HOPE TO SEE YOU AFTER THE NEW YEAR.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN THE MEETING.
>> THANK YOU, BYE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.