SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
[1. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL]
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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NAME IS JACQUELINE LOPEZ.I'M THE CHAIRPERSON FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE CITY OF INDIO.
I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER OF THE FEBRUARY 24, AND CALL THE QUORUM.
IF I CAN PLEASE GET THE INTRODUCTION OF STAFF.
CHAIRPERSON JACQUELINE LOPEZ >> VICE CHAIRPERSON NICCO YSIANO.
IS ABSENT TODAY COMMISSIONER ERIC CEJA.
>> I'M HERE >> COMMISSIONER CHRISTIAN RODRIGUEZ CEJA.
>> AND COMMISSIONER GLORIA FRANZ.
>> GOOD EVENING, MADAME CHAIRPERSON.
TONIGHT WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT KEVIN SNYDER, ASSISTANT PLANNER NIKKI GOMEZ, ASSOCIATE PLANNER ROSIE LUA, JASON ANDERSON, CODE ENFORCEMENT MANAGER, ROADS, ANNE LOPEZ ASSOCIATE ENGINEER, VANESSA CASTILLO, OFTEN ASSISTANT, EVELYN BELTRAN, SECRETARY, STEPHANIE CAO, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, AND MYSELF, SENIOR PLANNER LEILA NAMVAR.
BEFORE WE START THE MEETING, AND I MAY STATE AGAIN AT THE BEGINNING OF ANY OF THE ITEMS, I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT, AS YOU SAID, MADAME CHAIRPERSON, COMMISSIONER YSIANO IS ABSENT TONIGHT, THEREFORE, ON ANY OF OUR PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS A 2-2 VOTE WILL BE BASICALLY -- IT WON'T BE CONSIDERED AN APPROVAL, SO WE JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN THE APPLICANT, OF ALL THE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED AS WELL, AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE OR IF OUR LEGAL WOULD LIKE ME TO REPEAT THAT IN THE BEGINNING OF ANY OF THE HEARING ITEMS, I WILL DO THAT AS WELL.
AND AT THIS TIME IF WE CAN HAVE COMMISSIONER CHRISTIAN RODRIGUEZ CEJA, WOULD YOU BE SO KIND TO LEAD US INTO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE.
>> OF COURSE I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
NOW TO ITEM 4, A STATEMENT FROM OUR COMMISSION SECRETARY >> THE GENERAL
[4. STATEMENT FROM THE COMMISSION SECRETARY]
RULES OF COURTESY FOR VIRTUAL MEETINGS ARE FOLLOWS.PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF BACKGROUND NOISE WHEN JOINING THE VIRTUAL MEETING.
PARTICIPANTS MUST MUTE ALL LIVE-STREAMING DEVICES TO AVOID FEEDBACK.
PARTICIPANTS MUST MUTE THEIR MICROPHONE WHEN THEY ARE NOT SPEAKING.
WHEN YOUR MICROPHONE IS NOT MUTED, AVOID ACTIVITIES THAT COULD CREATE ADDITIONAL NOISE.
POSITION YOUR CAMERA PROPERLY IF YOU CHOOSE TO USE A WEB CAMERA, BE SURE IT IS IN A STABLE POSITION AND FOCUSED AT EYE LEVEL IF POSSIBLE.
IF YOU WILL BE SHARING CONTENT DURING THE MEETING, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE FILE AND/OR LINKS READY TO GO BEFORE THE MEETING BEGINS.
MEMBERS FROM THE PUBLIC WISHING TO PROVIDE ORAL TESTIMONY MUST FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS ON THE AGENDA AND/OR ONLINE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR AGENDA OR NON-RELATED AGENDA ITEMS. MEMBERS FROM THE PUBLIC WISHING TO PROVIDE ORAL TESTIMONY HAVE THREE MINUTES TO PROVIDE ORAL TESTIMONY.
[5. STATEMENT FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY]
AND AT THIS TIME WE HAVE A STATEMENT FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY.>> GOOD EVENING, CHAIRPERSON LOPEZ AND COMMISSIONERS THERE HAVE BEEN NO DIRECTIVES ISSUED TEMPORARILY HALTING LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
PROCESS CAN OF LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF APPLICATIONS AND/OR CONSIDERATION OF POLICY ACTIONS INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENTS, ZONING CODE AMENDMENT AND IS NEW OR SPECIFIC PLANS THEREFORE THE CITY OF INDIO CONTINUES TO.
ACCEPT EP IS AND PROCESS P APPLICATIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EXECUTIVE ORDERS.
THE CITY OF INDIO IS FOLLOWING EXECUTIVE ORDERS N-25-20 AND N-29- PERTAINING TO THE BROWN ACT.
THESE EXECUTIVE ORDERS ALLOW GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES TO CONDUCT MEETINGS BY ELECTRONIC MEANS AND FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO OBSERVE THE MEETING ELECTRONICALLY AS WELL AS PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT OR PUBLIC TESTIMONY TELEPHONICALLY OTHER OTHERWISE ELECTRONICALLY.
ACCORDINGLY, THE CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION ARE CURRENTLY CONDUCTING SCHEDULED MEETINGS IN A VIRTUAL MEETING FORMAT.
THE CITY OF INDIO HAS IMPLEMENTED TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS THAT ALLOW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO OBSERVE, TO OFFER PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL AS PUBLIC TESTIMONY DURING
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PUBLIC HEARINGS AT SCHEDULED PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS.20 THE CITY IS COMMITTED TO PROVIDING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION OPPORTUNITIES WHILE ALSO SUPPLYING WITH REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROCESSING OF LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATIONS AND/OR CONSIDERATION OF POLICY ACTIONS.
[7.1 Minutes of December 9, 2020 – Recommendation: Approve]
AND IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TODAY?>> AND NOW IS THE APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES.
IF I CAN GET A MOTION -- IF I CAN GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES AND HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR DECEMBER 9, 2020.
>> I'LL MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THOSE MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 9.
>> COMMISSIONER CEJA, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER FRANZ.
>> CHAIRPERSON JACQUELINE LOPEZ.
>> COMMISSIONER CHRISTIAN RODRIGUEZ CEJA.
>> AND COMMISSIONER GLORIA FRANZ.
AND SO NOW WE GO TO PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS.
[8.1 The 52 Ranch Tentative Tract Map No. 37756 (TTM 19-10-478) and Environmental Assessment 19-11-545 (EA 19-11-545) (Continued last from February 10, 2021):]
NUMBER 8.1.>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME IS ROSIE LUA, ASSOCIATE PLANNER WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, AND I BRING BEFORE YOU THE 52 RANCH.
CAN YOU SEE MY SCREEN? YES? PERFECT.
THIS IS THE TENTATIVE TRACT MAP NUMBER 37756, ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT 19-11-545.
I AT THIS MOMENT WOULD LIKE TO JUST FOR THE RECORD PROVIDE YOU THAT ON OCTOBER 28, 2020 WAS OUR FIRST DULY NOTED PUBLIC HEARING.
SINCE THEN IT HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR SUBSEQUENT CONTINUATIONS OF THIS ITEM.
THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING WAS FEBRUARY 10TH, AND IT WAS CONTINUED TO FEBRUARY 24TH, WHICH IS TODAY.
SO THIS IS THE 52 RANCH WHICH IS LOCATED EAST OF ADAMS STREET, AND ABOUT 4100 FEET NORTH OF AVENUE 38.
AND DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THE MOUNTAINOUS AREAS.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE BOUNDARY OF THE CITY IS ADAMS STREET, SO ANYTHING WEST OF ADAMS STREET IS UNINCORPORATED RIVERSIDE COUNTY WHICH INCLUDES THE SUN CITY COMMUNITY, AND ANYTHING SOUTH AND EAST AND NORTH IS WITHIN OUR CITY BOUNDARY, ALL ZONED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
THIS TENTATIVE TRACT MAP HAS BEEN SUBDIVIDED INTO 24 RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
THE ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY ALLOWS FOR EQUESTRIAN FACILITIES, SO THIS HAS A CONCEPT FOR EQUESTRIAN LIFESTYLE LIVING.
THE DARKER SHADED AREA SHOWS THE BOUNDER OFY OF A SEQUEST TRAN TRAIL IN A EQUESTRIAN FACILITY AND A PRIVATE BASIN.
THIS IS A PRIVATE GATED COMMUNITY.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME AGREEMENTS WITH SUN CITY ON THIS PROJECT ALONG ADAMS STREET.
SO ALONG ADAMS STREET AS YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE NO TRAILS, NO HORSE TRAILS.
THERE'S ALSO NO TWO-STORY HOMES THAT GO ALONG THESE PROPERTIES, AS WELL AS NO EQUESTRIAN FACILITIES ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THESE PROPERTIES HERE AS WELL, WHICH IS LOT 1, 21, 20, 13 AND LOT 12.
THOSE ARE AGREEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BETWEEN APPLICANT AND SUN CITY COMMUNITY, AND THERE ARE ALSO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WITHIN OUR STAFF REPORT.
SO I MENTIONED THAT THE ZONING IS EQUESTRIAN ESTATES THAT ALLOWS THE EQUESTRIAN FACILITIES AS WELL AS IF AN APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME IN THE FUTURE FOR DEVELOPMENT OF ANY OF THOSE PARCELS, UNLESS THE PARCEL -- THE APPLICANT IS COMING IN WITH DEVELOPING FOUR PARCELS OR MORE, THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A DESIGN REVIEW, SO JUST FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THIS, IF THE APPLICANT WISHES TO SELL THESE PARCELS ONE BY ONE, THEN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE PAR SETTLES WILL NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH A DESIGN REVIEW UNLESS THEY'RE BUILDING FOUR OR MORE PER THE CODE.
SO WITH THAT I WANTED TO PROCEED WELL, WITH THE ANALYSIS OF THIS PROJECT.
AND THE ANALYSIS OF THIS PROJECT, THE SUBDIVISION MAP ACTS AS A TENTATIVE TRACT MAP NEEDS TO HAVE CONSISTENCY WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.
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AND ALTHOUGH THE EQUESTRIAN ESTATES HAS A 2.0 DENSITY OR A HALF ACRE MINIMUM DENSITY, THE CONSISTENCY NEEDED TO BE FOUND WITH A GENERAL PLAN, AND THE GENERAL PLAN SAYS 1.0 DENSITY PER ACRE WHICH IS THE 1 ACRE MINIMUM.THEREFORE THE PROPOSED PROJECT NEEDS THE CONSISTENCY WITH THE GENERAL PLAN -- MEETS THE CONSISTS WITH THE GENERAL PLAN WAS 0.69 DENSITY PER ACRE, WHICH I PUT THERE AS THE LOT -- THE LOTS THAT RANGE BETWEEN 43,568 SQUARE FEET TO 58,885 SQUARE FEET.
THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A LANDSCAPE PLAN.
THIS IS CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPE PLANS FOR THEIR PERIMETER AS WELL AS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING FOR THEIR COMMON LOT.
THEY ARE PROPOSING DESERT SCAPE FOR THEIR ENTRANCE.
AS YOU CAN SEE IT WILL BE WALLED OFF, GATED ENTRY.
THEY WILL PROVIDE SOME SORT OF MONUMENTATION.
AND THEIR PLANS WILL BE EVALUATED TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE LOW WATER USAGE, FACTORS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY OUR CODE.
SO WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION 19-41, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDING APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE ENVIRONMENTALES SAMENT 19-11-545 AS WELL AS ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION 1942, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE TENTATIVE TRACT MAP NUMBER 37756.
AND THIS IS FOR THE SUBDIVISION OF THE 35.01 ACRES OF VACANT LAND INTO 24 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
ALONG WITH THAT, YOU RECEIVED A MEMO TODAY THAT HAD THREE ITEMS ON IT, AND ONE OF THE ITEMS WAS A CORRECTION TO ITEM 6A OF SECTION E OF THE RESOLUTION, WHICH IS THE RESOLUTION 1942.
IT WAS CORRECTING AN AGREEMENT THAT HAD BEEN ACCEPTED BY OUR ENGINEERING AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT.
IT READS, "THE APPLICANT SHALL CONSTRUCT FULL OFF-SITE STREET IMPROVEMENTS ON A DAMN STREET, THESE ALONG THE PROTECTING THOUSANDS PROJECT PROPERTY FRONTAGE." AND THEN IT WAS ALSO REVISING PAGE 54 OF THE STAFF REPORT AND IT WAS JUST CORRECTING THE NUMERATION OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
THE LAST ITEM YOU RECEIVED WAS A CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPE PLANS THAT ARE ALSO PRESENTED HERE IN THE PRESENTATION.
THAT CONCLUDES MY STAFF REPORT.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH THEIR TEAM TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND I'M AVAILABLE ALSO FOR QUESTIONS.
DOES ANY COMMISSIONER -- ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION TO STAFF?
THERE WAS ACTUALLY A PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS BROUGHT IN, PARTICULARLY AROUND THIS AGENDA ITEM, AND THEY'RE QUESTIONING WHETHER THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION A POTENTIAL HALF SET IN THIS AREA.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL HAS BEEN ADDRESSED AND CONFIDENT SAYING, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE ASSESSMENT OR IS THIS AN OPPORTUNITY TO QUESTION WHETHER WE NEED TO CONTINUE -- NOT MAKE THE RESOLUTION?
AND WE ALSO HAVE ADVISED THE APPLICANT TO BRING -- TO LOOK INTO IT AND ALSO BRING UP AN ANSWER FOR YOU GUYS ON THIS ONE, BUT I WILL ANSWER IT IN TERMS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL.
THIS PROJECT, AS YOU SEE, RESOLUTION 1941 IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT.
SO IN THAT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, IT REQUIRES THE APPLICANT TO GO THROUGH A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT IMPACTS OF THIS PROJECT, BUT ONE OF THEM IS A BIOLOGICAL RESOURCE STUTY, AND SO IN THE BIOLOGICAL RESOURCE STUDY IS WHERE ALL OF THESE ITEMS ARE ADDRESSED, EVALUATED.
THEY PROVIDED THAT REPORT TO US, AND PROVIDED MITIGATION MEASURES FROM RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT REPORT.
WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE COACHELLA VALLEY ASSOCIATION OF GOVERNMENTS TO LOOK INTO WHETHER THIS PROJECT WAS IN MULTI-SPECIES AREA.
THEY HAVE PROVIDED A RESPONSE, AND THAT WAS FORWARD OVER TO THE COASTAL -- THAT WAS WORKING ON THAT BIOLOGICAL STUDY.
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SO WE HAVE -- WE HAVE DONE, IN TERMS OF ASSESSING, WE HAVE DONE ASSESSMENT OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE MENTIONED, HOWEVER, I WILL DEFER THAT ANSWER TO THE APPLICANT BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOMEONE ONBOARD THAT IS THE CONSULTANT THAT CAN GIVE MORE DETAIL ON THE SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT WERE MENTIONED.ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING THAT THERE IS NONE, SO THIS IS A, STILL AN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.
AND SO IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE PRESENT, IF YOU WISH TO ADD ANYTHING TO THE REPORT.
THIS IS ROB BERNHEIMER REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
MADAME CHAIR AND STAFF, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU ON THIS.
I WANTED TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE COMMISSION WITH REGARDS TO THE LETTER THAT WAS RECEIVED THIS AFTERNOON REGARDING SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, AND THE LETTER BROUGHT UP WITHOUT ANY FACTS THREE SPECIFIC SPECIES, AND THEN SAID THAT THEY WERE JUST MADE AWARE OF THIS AND WANTED TO HAVE A CONTINUANCE, AND I THINK AS YOUR STAFF REPORT INDICATED, THIS PROJECT WAS ACTUALLY ORIGINALLY NOTICED FOR HEARING IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, AGAIN IN FEBRUARY, AND THEN AGAIN TODAY.
SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PUBLIC NOTICE ABOUT THIS HEARING.
IN ADDITION, THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT ACTUALLY WAS CIRCULATED TWICE BECAUSE SOME CHANGES WERE MADE SO IT WAS -- EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE MINOR, IT WAS RECIRCULATED A SECOND TIME.
SO THERE WERE TWO OPPORTUNITIES DURING THE CIRCULATION OF THIS ITEM TO COMMENT ON THESE ISSUES, SO WE THINK THAT THE REQUEST TO CONTINUE IT BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS PROJECT FULLY IS REALLY NOT FAIR TO THE APPLICANT.
IT'S BEEN BEFORE THE PUBLIC PLENTY IN ORDER FOR THEM TO ADDRESS IT.
ADDITIONALLY WITH REGARD TO THE SUBSTANCE OF THE CLAIM, WITH REGARDS TO THE THREE SPECIES THAT ARE INVOLVED, THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT WE ACTUALLY HAD THREE SEPARATE BIOLOGISTS ON SITE, AND SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOR THESE AND OTHER SPECIES, AND THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF THESE SPECIES OR EVEN HABITAT ON THIS PROPERTY WITH REGARDS TO THESE SPECIES.
MOREOVER, BECAUSE OF THE MULTI-SPECIES HABITAT CONSERVATION PLAN, THIS PROPERTY IS NOT IN A CONSERVATION AREA, AND THEREFORE IT HAS TO PAY A PER ACRE FEE TO THE MSHCP FUND IN ORDER TO DEVELOP, AND ALL THREE SPECIES THAT ARE MENTIONED IN THE LETTER ARE SPECIES THAT ARE COVERED BY THE COACHELLA VALLEY MULTI-SPECIES HABITAT CONSERVATION PLAN, AND THOSE SPECIES ARE PROTECTED IN THE NEIGHBORING CONSERVATION AREAS.
SO EVEN IF THOSE SPECIES WERE FOUND ON THIS PROPERTY, THE MHHSPC ALLOWS FOR THE TAKE THAT OF HABITAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIES OR HABITAT ON OUR PROPERTY REGARDLESS.
SO WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT WE'VE COVERED ALL OUR BASES ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL.
THERE IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT FINAL SURVEYS HAVE TO BE DONE BUYER TO GRADING ANYWAY, SO THERE WILL BE ANOTHER FINAL SURVEY TO LOOK FOR SPECIES.
SO WE DON'T THINK THAT THE REQUEST TO CONTINUE THIS IS GOING TO BE FRUITFUL OR LEAD TO ANYTHING FURTHER BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY COVERED THESE ISSUES.
SO IF THAT'S STILL A CONCERN TO THE COMMISSION WE CAN DISCUSS IT FURTHER.
THE CONSULTANT WHO PERFORMED THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, PETER, IS ALSO AVAILABLE FOR ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON A THE TECHNICALITIES OF THAT SURVEY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR -- OR COMMENTS FOR ROB? FOR MR. BERNHEIMER?
>> MR. BERNHEIMER, ASIDE FROM THE ENVIRONMENT A QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD REGARDING THE PROJECT NFHS AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, ESSENTIALLY NEAR THE TERMINUS OF ADAMS STREET?
>> WELL, I THINK IT'S AN EXCITING PROJECT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S IN THE VERY NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY, AND IT'S A UNIQUE CONCEPT.
IT'S SORT OF THIS COMMUNITY EQUESTRIAN IDEA WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE COMMUNITY FACILITIES THAT ARE HOA MAINTAINED FOR STABLES AND AN AREA FOR THE HORSES TO BE KEPT, AND THEN ALL THE HOUSES ARE REALLY GEARED TOWARD THAT EQUESTRIAN
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LIVING, AND IT'S BEEN DESIGNED BY FOLKS THAT ARE REALLY INTERNATIONALLY NO ONE IN THE EQUESTRIAN WORLD, AND IT'S REALLY AN EXCITING PRODUCT, I THINK, FOR INDIO AND A GOOD SPOT FOR IT IN NORTH INDIO.>> I THINK THE STAFF REPORT HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE'S REALLY NO ARCHITECTURE THAT'S SHOWN FOR MESE HOMES.
WE ARE ANTICIPATING CUSTOM HOMES THAT WOULD COME INTO EACH OF THESE 24 LOTS?
>> THAT'S THE IDEA, IS THAT THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER IS GOING TO DEVELOP ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE, DO THE GRADING, GET EVERYTHING PAD READY, AND THEN SELL OFF THE LOTS SO EACH -- EACH OWNER CAN COME IN AND BUILD A CUSTOM HOME ON THE PROJECT, SO IT'S NOTE GOING TO BE A TRACT HOME TYPE SETTING.
IT'S GOING TO BE UNIQUE FOR EACH HOME, SO THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T HAVE ARCHITECTURE.
AND THEN IF EACH HOME GETS DEVELOPED INDIVIDUALLY, AT WHAT POINT DO YOU ANTICIPATE THOSE EQUESTRIAN FACILITIES BEING DEVELOPED? AND THEN HAVE YOU ALSO THOUGHT ABOUT THOSE OPERATIONS? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU HIRE STAFF FOR? WHAT ABOUT CLEANING OF THE EQUESTRIAN AREA? HOW DO YOU MITIGATE SOME OF THOSE ODORS AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT COME WITH THE HORSES?
>> SO RICH VAUGHN ON THE LINE AND HE CAN GET MORE TECHNICAL ON THAT, BUT THOSE FACILITIES ARE GOING TO BE DEVELOPED ON THE FRONT END, AND THEN THERE IS GOING TO BE FULL-TIME MAINTENANCE STAFF AS PART OF THE HOA-PROVIDED AMENITIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN CHARGE OF CLEANUP AND THINGS LIKE THAT ON LITERALLY A DAILY BASIS.
SO THE VISION IS YOU WILL HAVE THAT STAFF BUILT INTO THE WHOLE STRUCTURE OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
>> AND, RICH, IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING HERE, YOU'RE DEFINITELY MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE DETAILS OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO OPERATE THAN I AM.
>> MICHAEL BAKER INTERNATIONAL ON THE PROJECT.
JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP OR POINT OUT IS THE HORSE FACILITIES THAT ARE ON THIS PROJECT ARE JUST FOR THE HOMEOWNERS.
THIS IS A GATED COMMUNITY, SO THEY WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
THERE'S NO PLANS FOR LIGHTING THE ARENA, SO IT WOULD BE BASICALLY A DAWN-TO-DUSK TYPE OF A OPERATION THERE.
THERE WOULD BE -- THERE WILL BE RESTROOM FACILITIES AND A STORAGE BUILDING TO HOUSE THE MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT AND SO FORTH.
THE DEVELOPER MENTIONED A PART OF THE HOA THEY WILL HAVE A STAFF THAT WILL MAINTAIN THE TRAILS IN AND AROUND THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT, AND THE RIDING ARENA AND THE HOLDING AREA.
THERE'S A DEDICATED PARKING LOT THAT WOULD BE FOR THE RIDING FACILITY.
SO EX FOLKS OF THE CHOICE OF EITHER RIDING THE HORSES TO THIS AREA OR HAVING THEM TRAILERED OVER.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE WAS AWARE THAT THIS IS A PRIVATE FACILITY AND WOULD NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
THAT'S IT IS FOR WHAT I HAVE TO ADD.
ANY OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
SO SINCE THIS IS GOING TO BE PRIVATE AND HOA, IS THIS SOME KIND OF A MEMBERSHIP LIKE A GOLF COURSE? OR IS EVERYONE THERE GOING TO HAVE A HORSE OR -- I MEAN, I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS HOW THIS IS GOING TO RUN BECAUSE NOT INEXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN, AND IF ONLY TWO PEOPLE HAVE HORSES, IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK OUT VERY WELL.
SO THE IDEA BEHIND THIS IS THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO APPEAL TO, YOU KNOW, HORSE OWNERS.
THESE ARE LARGE LOTS, 1 ACRES ARE LARGE LOTS.
THE VISION IS THAT SOMEONE WOULD BE COMING IN THERE, AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT ESPECIALLY ALONG ADAMS FOR ONE-STORY, QUITE HONESTLY, MORE THAN LIKELY ALL OF THE HOMES WILL BE ONE-STORY ON A ONE-ACRE.
IF YOU OWN A HORSE, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE A RANCH HOUSE.
ALL THE RANCH HOUSES I'VE EVER SEEN ARE ONE-STORY HOMES.
BUT THE FACILITIES WILL BE BUILT, AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE A GOLF COURSE COMMUNITY.
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YOU NEED A GOLF COURSE TO HELP SELL YOUR PRODUCT.SO NOW THAT THERE ARE 24 LOTS AS OPPOSED TO THE PREVIOUS LAYOUT FROM THE PREVIOUS GENERAL PLAN, WE THINK THIS WILL REALLY APPEAL MORE TO THE HORSE OWNERS AS OPPOSED TO MAYBE IN THE PAST WHEN THEY WERE -- WOULD HAVE BEEN HALF ACRE LOTS.
SO THAT'S THE INTENT, IS THAT IT WOULD MAINLY BE HORSE OWNERS THAT WOULD BE COMING IN AND PURCHASING.
>> COMMISSIONER FRANZ, I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT THE COMMUNITY COSTS ARE GOING TO BE PART OF THE HOA FEES, SO IF YOU COME AND AND YOU DON'T OWN A HORSE, YOU'RE STILL PAYING YOUR 1/24 SHARE OF ALL OF THOSE COMMUNITY FACILITIES, SO MAINTENANCE PEOPLE, THE UPKEEP OF THE CORRAL, EVERYTHING, SO I CAN'T IMAGINE SOMEBODY IS GOING TO MOVE IN HERE THAT'S NOT REALLY PRETTY INVOLVED IN HORSES BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE PAYING THAT COST.
>> I FIGURED IT WAS LIKE A GOLF COURSE MEMBERSHIP WHEN EVERY HOMEOWNER, WHEN THEY BUY THEY'RE ON THE MOOK FOR THAT FACILITY.
>> WHEN YOU ARE ON A GOLF COURSE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO JOIN THE GOLF COURSE.
THIS WILL BE MORE OF A MANDATORY SORT OF SITUATION.
I THINK THIS QUESTION IS MAYBE FOR STAFF THEN.
WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT EMERGENCY ACCESS AND ENTRANCES AND EXITS FROM DEVELOPMENTS, SO OF COURSE WE SAW THE BEAUTIFUL IMAGES OF WHAT WE HOPE THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BUT I DO SEE A SECOND ENTRANCE ON ADAMS STREET ON I GUESS STREET A.
IS THAT GOING TO BE FOR RESIDENTS AS WELL AS EMERGENCY OR IS THAT GOING TO BE EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY ENTRANCE?
>> IT IS FOR BOTH RESIDENTS AND CITY EMERGENCY VEHICLES AS WELL.
SO IT WILL BE A FULLY ACCESSIBLE GATE.
>> I'M ASSUMING IT WILL BE MAYBE NOT QUITE AS PRETTY AS THE FIRST GATE BUT IT SHOULD HAVE SOME CONTINUITY OF ENTRANCE TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION AT THIS POINT.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FRANZ.
ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS?
>> YEAH YOU, CHAIR, I HAVE ONE MORE BASED ON COMMISSIONER FRANZ'S COMMENT AS WELL AS IN THE MEMO THAT WE GOT ABOUT THE REVISED CONDITIONS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, TOO, WHAT IS THE APPLICANT RESPONSIBLE FOR IN TERMS OF OFF-SITE STREET IMPROVEMENTS FOR ADAMS? DO THEY TAKE IT TO THAT SECOND GATE? DO THEY HAVE TO TAKE IT BEYOND AND CREATE A CUL-DE-SAC? IT LOOKS LIKE ADAMS STREET ACTUALLY KIND OF TAPERS IN TOWARDS THIS PROJECT.
DO THEY HAVE TO WIDEN THAT BEYOND THEIR PROJECT LIMITS? DO WE KNOW THAT OR IS THE APPLICANT AWARE OF WHAT THEIR OBLIGATIONS ARE THERE?
SO, YES, WE WILL BE FULLY IMPROVING ADAMS ON OUR FRONTAGE, AND WE'LL BE WORKING WITH ENGINEERING ON TAPERING THE LENGTH -- MUTE.
SO WE WILL BE DOING FULL IMPROVEMENTS ON THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY UP TO THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY.
THE ROAD WIDTH IS 32 FEET DOWN ADAMS, AND WE WILL BE WIDENING AND DEDICATING RIGHT-OF-WAY AND TO BUILD THE FULL IMPROVEMENTS FRONTING OUR PROPERTY.
WE'LL WORK WITH THE ENGINEERING STAFF TO CREATE A TAPER FROM THE SINGLE LANE GOING NORTH, AND AS IT MAKES ITS WAY OVER TO THE ENTRANCE, BUT THE FULL IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE CURB, GUTTER, SIDEWALK, ALL OF THAT WILL GO FROM THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY.
THE DEVELOPER WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY TO TRY TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF A GATE THAT WOULD CLOSE THE ROAD FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO TRAVEL NORTH BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING UP THERE.
IT'S JUST THE END OF THE ROAD.
AND IN AN EFFORT TO TRY TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM GOING UP THERE AND DOING, YOU KNOW, MOTORCYCLES OR OTHER THINGS THAT MAY NOT BE EXACTLY LEGAL, THE APPLICANT INTENDS
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THE WORK WITH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY TO TRY TO SEE ABOUT HAVING A GATE WHERE THE COUNTY AND THE CITY FORCES HAVE KEYS TO THAT GATE SO THEY CAN HAVE ACCESS IF NEED BE, ALONG WITH, SAY, RV AND OTHER UTILITY TYPE USES AS WELL.IT SEEMS -- FOR STAFF, DOES ADAMS STREET EXTEND ANY KNOW WE HAD LOOKED AT A SPECIFIC PLAN.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE INDIO TRAILS, INDIO HILLS.
DOES ADAMS STREET CONTINUE FOR THAT PROJECT?
>> RODDON SHOULD BE ON THE LINE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
IT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY UP NORTH TO SUN WAY WHICH IS THE NORTHERN STREET OF SUN CITY.
FOR STAFF, HAS THE APPLICANT EXPRESSED THEIR INTENT -- MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD IT -- THEIR INTENT TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY TO POTENTIALLY CLOSE OFF ADAMS STREET AND PRIVATIZE IT NORTH OF THEIR BOUNDARY?
>> YES, WE HAVE TALKED TO THEM, AND AS FAR AS PRIVATE, IT WILL REMAIN A PUBLIC STREET, SO, YES, WE HAVE -- WE HAD SOME CONVERSATION REGARDING TO THAT, AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO ALSO MEET WITH THE RIVERSIDE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS THAT THEY ALSO NEED TO TALK TO THE RIVERSIDE COUNTY FOR THE TRAFFIC BEING SWITCHED, YOU KNOW, SOUTH OF THEIR BOUNDARY INTO THE WEST SIDE OF ADAMS BECAUSE THAT PORTION OF THE STREET BELONGS TO THE COUNTY.
I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE A MARKET STUDY.
I'M WONDERING WHAT THE TIME FRAME WILL BE FOR FULL DEVELOPMENT IS.
WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS AS FAR AS HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE FOR THE LOTS TO ALL BE DEVELOPED?
RIGHT NOW I THINK THE GAME PLAN IS WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO CONSTRUCTION IN THE LATTER PART OF THIS YEAR, GRADING AND GETTING ALL THE STREETS AND THE UTILITIES INSTALL AND LOTS -- AND THE FINAL MAP WOULD BE RECORDED BY HOPEFULLY THE END OF THIS YEAR SO THAT WOULD GIVE THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, START SELLING HOUSES.
I WOULD SAY IN A BEST CASE SCENARIO, THE LOTS WOULD PROBABLY BE ON THE MARKET AT THE BEGINNING OF 2022, PROBABLY IN THAT RANGE.
I DON'T SEE -- IT WILL TAKE US A WHILE TO GET ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS PREPARED, REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY, AND THEN GET OUT AND DO THE CONSTRUCTION AND SO FORTH, SO I WOULD SAY THE FIRST OR SECOND QUARTER OF 2022.
>> AS FAR AS YOUR QUESTION REGARDING HOW LONG IT'S GOING TEAK TO FULLY BUILD OUT, BOY, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR OVER 25 YEARS AND YOU CAN NEVER TELL WHAT THE MARKET PENETRATION IS GOING TO BE.
RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS SO STRONG THAT IT WOULD HAPPEN QUICKLY, BUT WE ALL KNOW THE MARKET CAN TURN QUICKLY AS WELL, SO WE THINK THAT THERE'S A STRONG MARKET, STRONG DEMAND RIGHT NOW, AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO GO, GO, GO AND GET AS MUCH BUILT QUICKLY SO WE CAN GET THOSE LOTS DELIVERED TO POTENTIAL BUYERS, BUT I'VE BE GIVEN UP PREDICTING WHEN A PROJECT'S GOING TO GET BUILT BECAUSE SOMETIMES -- YOU KNOW, I WAS A PART OF THE FIESTA DAVITA PROJECT BACK 15 YEARS AGO THAT IS NOW THE BORATA PROJECT AND WE HAD HIGH HOPES BACK THEN BUT, OF COURSE, THE MARKET CRASHED IN 2008 AND THAT PROJECT NEVER GOT OFF THE GROUND, SO WE THOUGHT THAT PROJECT WAS GOING TO GO.
I HAD ANOTHER PROJECT RECENTLY, IT WILL TAKE A WHILE, AND THEN THIS MARKET HIT AND THEY'VE SOLD OUT EVERY HOME BEFORE THEY'RE EVEN BUILT, SO YOU NEVER KNOW.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO -- EVELYN, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS?
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>> SO SEEING THAT THERE ARE NONE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND SO NOW WE'LL HAVE SOME DELIBERATIONS BETWEEN THE COMMISSIONERS.
>> MADAME CHAIR, IF I MAY INTERRUPT.
>> JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT THE MEMO THAT YOU RECEIVED EARLIER TODAY IS ALSO AT THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AS WELL AS IT'S POSTED ONLINE FOR THE PUBLIC, SO I WAS ASKED BY OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE THAT I MENTIONED THAT.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION? DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND START BY CLOSING? COMMISSIONER CEJA?
>> YOU KNOW WHAT? I APPRECIATE THE LETTER WE GOT TODAY FROM THE LAND TRUST, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, THE CEQA PROCESS THIS APPLICANT HAS GONE THROUGH REALLY ADDRESSES THAT.
WE HAD THE MULTI-SPECIES HABITAT CONSERVATION PLAN.
THERE'S LIKELY A SURVEY, BIOLOGICAL SURVEY THAT WILL HAPPEN BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY START CREATING ACTIVITY.
ANY OWL OR NATIVE OR ENDANGERED SPECIES THAT MAY BE IDENTIFIED ON THE PROPERTY COULD BE RELOCATED OR ADDRESSED IF PAID INTO THE MULTI-SPECIES HABITAT FEE TO CONSERVE LAND ELSEWHERE IN THE VALLEY.
SO I APPRECIATE THE LETTER THAT WE GOT BUT I THINK THE CEQA DOCUMENT REALLY ADDRESSES THAT.
FOR ME, LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT, I THINK GIVEN ITS LOCATION AT THE NORTHERN END OF THE CITY, ITS PROXIMITY TO THE OPEN SPACE THAT IS NORTH OF THE CITY, THIS TYPE OF LOWER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT SEEMS TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
THE WAY THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLAINED HOW THEY'RE STRUCTURING THE HOA, HOW THEY'RE PAYING INTO THE EQUESTRIAN FACILITIES THAT ARE ALL PART OF IT AT LEAST PROVIDED ME SOME CHART OF THE AREA AND THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE WELL MAINTAINED.
I THINK OVERALL IT'S A GOOD PROJECT FOR ITS LOCATION.
I APPRECIATE THAT THEY HAVE ALSO MET WITH THE SUN CITY COMMUNITY AND, YOU KNOW, DID THEIR BEST TO SATISFY THAT COMMUNITY AND THEIR CONCERNS.
THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE, AND I WASN'T AWARE OF THE UNTIL THE APPLICANT HAD SAID SOMETHING, IS ESSENTIALLY THE PRIVATIZING OR CLOSING OF ADAMS STREET WHICH IS SOMETHING I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR TO.
INDIO HAS TREMENDOUS OPEN SPACE OPPORTUNITIES TO THE NORTH OF THE COMMUNITY, AND PRESERVING THAT ACCESS TO OPEN SPACE IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME, AND I THINK FOR THE TUT OF THE CITY.
IF WE WANTED TO, WE CAN HEAD IN THE DIRECTION OF LA KINT AND BASICALLY HAVE ACCESS ONLY AT ONE LOCATION, ESSENTIALLY LA QUINTA COVE, AND THEN CLOSE OFF ACCESS TO THE REST OF THE MOUNTAINS AROUND THAT CITY, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT THE CITY OF INDIO DOESN'T CHOOSE THAT ROUTE, AND THE MORE OPEN SPACE ACCESS WE CAN PROVIDE, THE BETTER.
OVERALL IT'S A PROJECT DIFNTS LOCATION, AND I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S OUTREACH TO THE SUN CITY COMMUNITY.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CEJA.
>> WELL, I ECHO SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT COMMISSIONER CEJA WAS SAYING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT.
I THINK IT'S GONE INTO A RIGOROUS PROCESS AND WILL AGAIN GO INTO A SURVEY.
I THINK I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE ADDRESSING SORT OF THE QUESTION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP OF THE COMMENT.
I THINK MY ONLY CONCERN IS THESE GATED PRIVATE COMMUNITIES AND WHO WE ARE APPROVING HOUSING FOR, AND I KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE REVISION OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT, AND THIS WOULD ONLY SATISFY A VERY, VERY SMALL PORTION OF WHAT WE AS A CITY HAVE COMMITTED TO ADDRESSING, AND SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY MY ONLY -- MY ONLY REAL CONCERN ABOUT SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT I HAVE SEEN IN THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN HERE ON THE COMMISSION.
IT'S BEEN VERY CATERED AND GEARED TOWARD A SPECIFIC SECTOR, AND SO I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE JUST SOMETHING THAT I THINK, TO MY COLLEAGUES TO CARS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AND SEEING MORE OF THESE PROJECTS.
IT'S REALLY WHO WE ARE -- WHO WE'RE BUILDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR HERE IN THE CITY.
BUT IN THE SAME BREATH, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I ALSO FEEL, AS COMMISSIONER CEJA, THAT THE LOCATION OF THIS PROJECT WOULD ALLOW IT FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AND
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IT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY TAKING, YOU KNOW, ANY POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY FOR HOUSING FROM CURRENT NEEDS.BUT I'M STILL -- I'M STILL SORT OF ON THE FENCE JUST BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PROJECT MEANS IN THE OVERALL SCHEME OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY ACHIEVE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
FIRST OF ALL, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR REACHING OUT TO SUN CITY, PALM DESERT.
I KNOW THAT THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A PROJECT.
BUT I'M GLAD THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO THE WORK OUT SOMETHING.
I ALSO AGREE THAT THIS TYPE OF PROPERTY, THAT AREA IS VERY GOOD FOR THAT.
I MEAN, HORSE PEOPLE NEED SPACE.
THERE'S PLENTY OF EYES SPAS OUT THERE.
I THINK THE CUSTOM HOMES GIVES PEOPLE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY AS TO WHAT -- HOW THEY WANT TO BUILD THEIR HOMES.
I ALSO AGREE THAT IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE DIDN'T RECEIVE THE LETTER FROM THE LAND TRUST SOONER, BUT I DO ALSO AGREE THAT ALL OF THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT WAS NEEDED HAS BEEN DONE AND THERE IS MORE TO COME.
AND I THINK WE'VE DONE THE BEST WE CAN AND WE THANK THE DEVELOPER FOR THAT.
BUT OVERALL I THINK IT'S A GOOD USE OF THAT PARTICULAR CORNER OF INDIO AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY ALL OF THIS COMING TO FRUITION RATHER QUICKLY.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FRANZ.
SO WHAT IS -- WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION?
>> DID WE KNOWS THE PUBLIC HEARING?
DID I MISS IT OR -- >> WE CLOSED IT.
>> THAT TELLS YOU HOW TIRED I AM TODAY.
>> ROSIE, WOULD YOU PUT UP THE RESOLUTIONS, PLEASE.
>> AS SOON AS WE SEE THE RESOLUTIONS.
>> ALSO, THERE'S 1942 HAS THE TWO CORRECTED ITEMS THAT YOU RECEIVED IN THE MEMO, JUST FOR PURPOSES OF THE MOTION.
>> THEN, CHAIR, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT RESOLUTION 1941, APPROVING THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT AND MMD FOR THIS PROJECT.
>> CHAIRPERSON JACQUELINE LOPEZ.
>> COMMISSIONER CHRISTIAN RODRIGUEZ CEJA.
>> AND COMMISSIONER GLORIA FRANZ.
>> I'LL MAKE ANOTHER MOTION THAT WE ADOPT RESOLUTION 1942.
APPROVING A TENTATIVE TRACT MAP SUBJECT TO THE CHANGES OUTLINE IN STAFF'S MEMO DATED TODAY FOR CONDITION 6A, CHANGES TO THE STAFF REPORT AND THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AND I WANT -- I DON'T THINK THIS BELONGS AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS CLEAR THE CLOSURE OF ADAMS SHOULDN'T BE A PART OF THIS PROJECT.
>> COMMISSIONER CHRISTIAN RODRIGUEZ CEJA.
[8.2 Indio Medical Office Building – Design Review 20-02-471 (Continued from January 13, 2021]
WE GO ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.8.2 IS THE INDIO MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING DESIGN REVIEW, AND MS. NIKKI GOMEZ, IF YOU CAN PLEASE PRESENT YOUR REPORT.
>> I HOPE YOU CAN SEE MY FULL SCREEN.
GOOD EVENING, MADAME CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS NIKKI GOMEZ, ASSISTANT PLANNER, AND BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THE
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INDIO MEDICAL OFFICE DESIGN REVIEW 20-02-471.AND AS A REMINDER, THIS ITEM WENT BEFORE YOU ON JANUARY 13, 2021, AND THIS CONTINUED TO THIS DATE TO A DATE CERTAIN.
AND JUST FOR -- KIND OF JUST TO GO OVER FROM THE BEGINNING, THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF CHEYENNE ROAD AND BUFFALO TRAILL ON A 3.90-ACRE LOT.
AND GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION OF MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD.
NIKKI, I GUESS THE PRESENTATION IS NOT ON -- >> ON MY OTHER SCREEN.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CHRISTIAN RODRIGUEZ CEJA, FOR THAT.
CAN YOU SEE THE SCREEN ROOM TO THE NEXT -- OKAY.
AS A REMINDER, THIS IS THE INDIO MEDICAL OFFICE.
IT'S LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF CHEYENNE ROAD AND BUFFALO TRAIL WITH A COMMERCIAL OFFICE ZONING DESIGNATION AND GENERAL PLAN MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL PLAN PLAN USE DESIGNATION.
SO I KIND OF WANTED TO GO OVER ITEMIZED ITEMS THAT THE COMMISSIONER HAD RECOMMENDATIONS ON AND YOUR SUGGESTIONS FROM THE LAST TIME.
AND SO FROM THE LAST TIME, I BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A SUGGESTION FOR COVERED PARKING, AND SO THE APPLICANT HAS IDENTIFIED A PORTION.
TO THE WEST PORTION OF THE PARKING LOT TO BE AT LEAST A COVERED PARKING AND TO BE SOLAR READY, AND THAT'S ABOUT 14 PARKING SPACES.
OF COURSE, THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING AND SO AS THE PARKING SPACES HAVE NOT BEEN RELOCATED.
IT'S THE SAME AS HAD BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU AT THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
SECOND, THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN KIND OF SHOWCASING THE PRIM TERRITORY OF BUILDING TO SHOW THAT THEY HAVE INCORPORATED COLUMNS ON ALL SIDES OF THE BUILDING MIMICKING THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE SOUTH AND NORTH OF THE BUILDING, SO THIS WOULD BE THE COLUMNS HERE ON THE EAST CORNER AND THIS IS THE ONE FACING CHEYENNE ROAD, AND THIS WOULD BE THE WEST PORTION WHICH IS THE PARKING LOT, AND SO I ALSO WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
THERE WILL BE NO MECHANICAL DOORS THAT WILL BE FACING CHEYENNE ROAD HERE AS YOU CAN SEE THAT THESE ARE -- HOW DO YOU SAY -- A WALL, AND THEN THE ELECTRICAL ROOM WILL BE TO THE WEST PORTION WHICH IS ABUTTING THE PARKING LOT, AND EVEN THEN THE DOORS WILL BE OPENING KIND OF HIDDEN INWARD WITHOUT THE DOORS FACING THE PARKING LOT AREA.
SECONDLY, AND I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS THAT THIS IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF MASSING AND RENDERING AND NOT A REFLECTION OF THE COLOR, AND I WILL GO OVER THE COLOR SPECIFICALLY IN ANOTHER SLIDE.
AND THIS IS JUST TO KIND OF OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF SHADING.
AND SO IF WE START FACING NORTH, MEANING THAT THIS WOULD BE THE ENTRYWAY TO THE BUILDING AND AS WE TURN THE CORNER, THIS WOULD BE FACING NORTHWEST, SO THIS WOULD BE THE ENTRANCE, THIS WOULD BE THE TWO COLUMNS THAT ARE INCORPORATED, AND THIS WOULD BE CHEYENNE ROAD RIGHT HERE.
AS WE GO DOWN AROUND THE CORNER, THAT'S HOW IT WOULD BE, AND THIS WOULD BE THE NORTH PORTION OF THE BUILDING, MEANING AT THE BACK ENTRANCE, AND THIS IS STILL CHEYENNE ROAD RIGHT HERE, AND THIS WOULD BE THE BACK ENTRYWAY OF THE BUILDING.
SAME OF THE PARKING LOT RIGHT TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROJECT SITE WITH THE TWO INCORPORATED COLUMNS AND ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE AS WELL.
THIS IS MORE IMPORTANTLY I BELIEVE THAT COMMISSIONER CEJA HAD REQUESTED THOSE ROOF MOUNTED EQUIPMENT AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE PLACED AND SCREENED ON THAT FIRST FLOOR ON THE NORTH PORTION OF THE PROPERTY BACK HERE, AND SO, YES, THEY WILL BE SCREENED, AND THOSE WINDOWS ARE INCORPORATED THERE.
I BELIEVE LAST TIME THOSE WERE NOT REFLECTED ON THE ELEVATION.
AND THIS WOULD BE THE KIND OF ELEVATED VIEW FACING THAT PORTION AS WELL.
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AND SO ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION AND OUR SUGGESTION IS TO KIND OF COMPLEMENT OR KIND OF EXTEND THE COLORS THAT IS NOW ON THE PROPOSED INDIO BEHAVIORAL CENTER RIGHT TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT DIFFERENTIATION FROM THE PREVIOUS PROPOSED WHICH IS UP HERE ON THE UPPER LEFT OF THE PRESENTATION AND TO THE PROPOSED NEW COLOR SCHEME THAT THEY WILL BE -- THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING.SO THIS WOULD BE THE SOUTH, WHICH IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE MEDICAL OFFICE.
AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT, MEANING THAT THERE WILL BE NO MECHANICAL DOOR THAT WILL BE THERE FACING CHEYENNE.
SIMILARLY, NORTH WOULD BE THE BACK PORTION OF THE BUILDING AND ENTRANCE BACK HERE, TOO, AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE THEY PUT HIGHER PARAPET JUST SO THAT THEY COULD ENCLOSE THE ROOF-MOUNTED EQUIPMENT.
AND MIJING THAT ON THE WEST ELEVATION, THE EAST ELEVATION WILL SHOW -- I'M SORRY -- CHEYENNE ROAD WILL SHOW THAT THERE WILL BE NO MECHANICAL DOORS FACING THAT ROAD.
AND I JUST KIND OF WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE LANDSCAPE WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE SAME, JUST MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH OF INDIO BEHAVIORAL CENTER, AND JUST HIGHLIGHTING THAT DESIGNATED AREA WILL BE COVERED PARKING AS WELL.
AND SO FOR OUR RECOMMENDATION, IT REMAINS THE SAME.
IT'S JUST TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 1945, DESIGN REVIEW 20-02-471 FOR THE ARCHITECTURE PLAN, CIRCULATION, PARKING, AND LANDSCAPING OF TWO-STORY MEDICAL OFFICE WITHIN A 3.9-ACRE LOT AND THE PROJECT TO BE EXEMPT FROM CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT CEQA SECTION 15332 CLASS 32 INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO ONLINE TO ALSO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?
>> IF I MAY, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE SCOOT TREE HUE OH OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
HE'S THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS -- OH, IT'S NOT FOR THIS ITEM.
HE'S ON THE SCREEN, SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION HIS NAME FOR THE RECORD.
SO SEEING THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I JUST WANT TO REMIND THAT THIS IS AN OPEN -- STILL AN OPEN HEARING, AND SO IF WE CAN HAVE THE APPLICANT, IF THEY'RE PRESENT, IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO THE STAFF REPORT.
I THINK NIKKI COVERED IT PRETTY WELL.
I THINK FROM THOSE PERSPECTIVE DRAWINGS WE PROVIDED, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE BUILDING HAS QUITE A LOT OF ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL TO IT, AND THE SHADING, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, ON THE SOUTH -- EXCUSE ME -- ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS REALLY, REALLY QUITE GOOD, AND WE DID, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY WE'VE ALWAYS PLANNED TO HAVE THAT EQUIPMENT SCREEN WALL ON THAT LOWER PART OF THE ROOF.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM SOME OF THOSE PERSPECTIVES ON THE BACK, BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDING, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE HARDLY THE TOP OF THE SCREEN WALL FROM THE PARKING AREA.
SO I THINK THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE A REALLY NICE BUILDING AND I'M SURE THE CITY WILL BE PROUD OF IT WHEN IT GETS COMPLETED.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? OF THE APPLICANT.
>> YOU KNOW, CHAIR, I THINK THE LAST TIME WE SAW THIS, WE HAD PROVIDED SOME
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DIRECTION TO LOOK AT A COLOR SCHEME THAT MAYBE WAS COMPATIBLE WITH THE FACILITY TO THE SOUTH.I'M CURIOUS I CAN SEE THAT YELLOW WAS ADDED, MOSTLY AT THE TOP OF THE COLUMNS AND END CAPS FOR THIS BUILDING.
HAVE YOU LOOKED AT ANY OTHER COLOR OPTIONS?
>> YOU KNOW, THAT'S A DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ANSWER.
AT THIS POINT, NO, WE HAVEN'T.
IF THE COMMISSION HAS SOME COLORS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE US TO EXPLORE, WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT, BUT I FOUND OVER 30 YEARS OF BEING AN ARCHITECT THAT WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO COLORS, YOU CAN HAVE A WIDE VARIETY OF TASTES, AND I THINK PERSONALLY IF YOU WANT MY OPINION, I THINK THE FIRST COLOR SCHEME WAS MUCH BETTER, HAD MORE CONTINUITY, AND I AGREED WITH YOUR STAFF IN OUR LAST MEETING, WHEN YOU START TRYING TO MATCH OTHER BUILDINGS NEXT DOOR, YOU CAN START TO GET INTO TROUBLE, BUT THAT'S MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION.
I'M NOT SURE IF WE PROVIDED AT THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE HAD, BUT ON SOME OF THOSE PERSPECTIVE SHOTS, THE END CAPS IN PARTICULAR, YOU HAVE THE PARAPETS THAT ARE RETURNING BACK SOMEWHAT.
I'M CURIOUS, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT -- LIKE I'M LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT THE HIGH SOUTHWEST ELEVATION HERE, THAT CORNER IN THE UPPER LEFT.
THERE MAY BE SOME CONCERN THAT THOSE -- THE END OF THOSE PARAPETS WOULD BE VISIBLE.
HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT CREATING A FULL FORM, HAVING THOSE ACTUALLY RETURN INTO ONE ANOTHER AND KIND OF CLOSING THAT?
>> NO, BECAUSE THE PERSPECTIVE YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS IF YOU WERE FLYING A HELICOPTER OVER THE BUILDING.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERSPECTIVES WHERE PEOPLE ARE STANDING ON GROUND LEVEL, WHICH WOULD, FOR INSTANCE, BE THE PERSPECTIVE FACING SOUTHEAST, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE THAT THOSE RETURNS ARE THERE.
WE CERTAINLY COULD ELEVATE THE ROOF IN THAT AREA, BUT PERSONALLY I THINK IT WOULD BE A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY BECAUSE YOU'LL NEVER SEE IT UNLESS YOU'RE FLYING OVER IT.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S -- TO THE NORTH MOST OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE ARE ALL SINGLE STORY, SO I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD HAVE A PERSPECTIVE THAT WOULD REVEAL THAT FEATURE.
ACROSS THE STREET IS A TWO-STORY MEDICAL OFFICE, BUT I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY MIGHT SEE FROM THE GROUND LEVEL OR FROM THE SECOND FLOOR.
>> I CAN APPRECIATE THAT AND BE USING THAT HIGH SOUTHWEST CORNER, YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT'S A BIT ELEVATED, BUT EVEN LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE NORTHEAST ONE, LOOKING AT THAT FAR LEFT ENDCAP THERE, YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THAT PARAPET.
>> AND THAT'S REALLY ALL THAT COMMENT IS, IS WHERE WE CAN OR NEED TO, HAVE YOU LOOKED A CLOSING THOSE UP SO THAT WE DON'T SEE THOSE ENDS.
IT WOULD -- THE THING THAT I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED, I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY COULD DO IT.
THIS BUILDING IS A CONCRETE TILT-UP BUILDING.
AND THEY'RE 12 INCHES THICK, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE THICKER THAN NORMAL WOOD FRAME CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE'D HAVE TO DO SOME TYPE OF A MATERIAL CHANGE TO CLOSE THAT IN.
YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO STUCCO IT.
THERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A MINOR TEXT TURAL DIFFERENCE.
OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD ALL BE PAINTED THE SAME, BUT WE CERTAINLY COULD DO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE COMMISSION WOULD BE WANT TO PUT IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL OR
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SOMETHING.>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CEJA.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE PHOTO THAT HAD THE OLD COLOR AND THE NEW COLORS, PLEASE.
AND I DO RECALL THAT I WAS THE ONE THAT WANTED SOME KIND OF CONNECTION BETWEEN THIS BUILDING AND THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET.
BUT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DO NOT LIKE THE YELLOW THE WAY IT IS LOOKING ON THIS BUILDING.
I MEAN, IF I HAD TO PICK BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL AND THIS ONE, I'D PREFER THE ORIGINAL.
SO JUST, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS FEEL, BUT I THINK I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL COLOR SCHEME UNLESS SOMEONE LIKES THE YELLOW MORE.
SOMETIMES YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET UNTIL YOU ASK, AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS.
SO OVERALL I THINK IT'S A NICE-LOOKING BUILDING.
I THINK IT WILL BE GREAT ON THAT LOCATION.
AND WE DO NEED MORE MEDICAL SERVICES IN THAT PART OF OUR CITY, SO THAT'S MY ONLY BIG COMMENT.
I KIND OF DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CEJA ABOUT THOSE PARAPETS.
WE'RE VERY CONSCIOUS OF THIS BUILDING WILL BE HERE FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME, AND THOSE RETURNS THAT AREN'T COMPLETED JUST KIND OF LEAVE THE BUILDING LOOKING -- I DON'T KNOW -- UNFINISHED, SO I'M KIND OF HIM ON THAT, THAT WE MIGHT CONSIDER MAKING THAT A CONDITION, BUT OVERALL I THINK IT LOOKS VERY NICE.
>> WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING INTO THE SHAPE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT, ACTUALLY, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE LAST -- AT THIS REVIEW LAST TIME, AND ONLY 14 OF THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE COVERED.
IS THIS THE DECISION FOR LIMIT INTERESTING TO 14 SPACES, IS THAT BECAUSE OF COST? WOULD IT BE A VERY DRASTIC AMOUNT IF YOU COVERED MORE PARKING? AND THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I WAS SHARING WAS JUST THE STAFF THAT WOULD BE UTILIZING THESE FACILITIES WILL BE THERE FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME, AND IN THE SUMMER, YOU KNOW, IT GETS PRETTY SEVERE, AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT 14 PARKING SPACES WOULD BE ENOUGH TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN.
AND THEN ALSO I THINK FOR FOLKS THAT ARE GOING AND UTILIZING THE FACILITY COULD ALSO BE USED PERHAPS TO THE BENEFIT OF SHADE.
SO I GUESS I'M CURIOUS AS TO THE DECISION OF ONLY 14 IN RELATION TO A PRETTY SIZABLE PARKING LOT.
THE DECISION TO ONLY DO 14 RIGHT NOW IS BASED ON LEASING.
AT THIS POINT WE BASICALLY HAVE THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE BUILDING LEASED, AND SO -- OR A PORTION OF THE FIRST FLOOR LEASED, AND WHEN WE GET MORE SPACES LEASED, THEN WE CAN JUSTIFY MORE COVERED PARKING, AND THAT'S OUR PLAN.
AND AGAIN, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT SEEMS PRUDENT, BUT IN THE CITY ORDINANCES, AND WHEN WE SUBMITTED THIS THING A YEAR AGO, AND I WOULD IMAGINE STILL YOUR CITY ORDINANCES DON'T REQUIRE COVERED PARKING, SO WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO START WITH THIS, AND THEN AS THE BUILDING LEASES, WE'LL ADD MORE.
>> THIS IS WARREN OWENS, THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING.
IT IS AN AMENITY THAT OUR TENANTS WOULD LIKE, AND IT ADD TO THE VALUE OF THE BUILDING, SO WE HAVE NO HESITANCE IN ADDING MORE COVERED PARKING AS WE LEASE IT OUT.
>> MADAME CHAIRPERSON, MAY I ADD SOMETHING?
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CURRENTLY THE CITY CODE DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY COVERED PARKING, SO THAT'S BASICALLY THE APPLICANT OR THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE ARCHITECT, BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS, PROVIDED THESE 14 SPACES WITH COVERED AMENITY.HOWEVER, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE LOOKING INTO FOR OUR NEW ZONING CODE UPDATE, TO BASICALLY MAYBE ADD AND CREATE SOME INCENTIVE IF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WILL VOLUNTARILY ADD SUCH AMENITIES.
SO I JUST WANTED TO STATE ON THE RECORD THAT THE CURRENT ZONING CODE FOR THE CITY OF INDIO DOES NOT REQUIRE, SO STAFF CANNOT ADD THIS TYPE OF AMENITIES AS A REQUIREMENT.
>> CHAIRPERSON LOPEZ WEEK CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT.
SO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND BUSINESS-WISE YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOUR BUILDING IS LEASED BEFORE YOU START EXPENDING MORE EXPENSES, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMITMENT TO ADD THE COVERED PARKING.
IT IS AN AMENITY, BUT IN THE DESERT IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT, BUT THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.
SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS SINCE YOU ARE COMMITTED TO ADDING COVERED PARKING AS THE BUILDING BECOMES LEASED, DO YOU HAVE LIKE, SAY, ONCE THE BUILDING IS 100% LEASED, DO YOU PLAN TO DO 20% COVERED PARKING? DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF HOW MANY SHADED AREAS YOU PLAN TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE AS THE BUILDING IS LEASED?
>> NO, I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER IN MIND, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THAT DOUBLE PARKING THAT YOU SEE JUST TO THE WEST, SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE, WE WOULD PROBABLY UTILIZE THAT AS ADDITIONAL COVERED PARKING, AND THEN WE MAY GO TO THE NORTH ON SOME OF THAT AREAS ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
WE'RE DEALING WITH A REALLY LARGE MEDICAL PROVIDER IN THAT AREA, AND AS THEY ORIGINALLY -- THIS PROJECT WAS DRIVEN BY THEIR DEMAND, BUT AS COVID HIT AND THEIR REVENUES GOT STYMIED, THEY PULLED BACK A LITTLE BIT, AND WE'RE KIND OF WAITING FOR COVID TO END AND THEN THEY'LL PROBABLY COME BACK WITH ALL OF THEIR -- SO THEY'RE TAKING A SMALLER AMOUNT OF SPACE THAN THEY ORIGINALLY HAD COMMITTED TO, AND THEY WOULD NEED -- WE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THE COVERED PARKING, AND THEY THINK IT'S A REQUIREMENT FOR THEM.
SO I DON'T THINK I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXACT NUMBER YET, BUT WE WOULD EXPAND INTO THAT AREA.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STEPHAN REGARDING THE COVERED PARKING.
WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING IN THE CONDITION TO ADD TO THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE MOTION?
>> ARE YOU ASKING WHETHER WE CAN CONDITION ADDING MORE THAN THE 14 COVERED PARKING SPACES?
>> AS THE PROJECT OR AS THE BUILDING IS COMPLETED OR IS OCCUPIED.
>> MY UNDERSTANDING FROM LEILA'S COMMENT IS THAT OUR CURRENT CODE DOES NOT REQUIRE THE COVERED PARKING SPOTS, AND SO WITHOUT THAT REQUIREMENT, WE WOULD BE HARD-PRESSED TO BE ABLE TO CONDITION IT WITHOUT THE AGREEMENT, THE VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT OF THE APPLICANT.
ALSO, FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD FROM LEILA, IS THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THE CITY MAY BE LOOKING AT IN THE FUTURE TO ADD TO THE CODE.
AND PLEASE, LEILA, CORRECT ME IF I MISSTATED ANYTHING THAT YOU SAID BEFORE.
>> DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? OR DO WE HAVE -- DO I -- DO ANY OF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?
>> WE HAVE CHAIRPERSON LOPEZ, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM?
EVELYN, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM?
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>> SO WE CAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GO -- >> YES.
SO I GUESS WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN I GUESS P KIND OF DELIBERATE HERE.
[LAUGHTER] >> YOU KNOW, I THINK OVERALL, I THINK THE APPLICANT TRIED TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS FROM THE FIRST TIME.
THEY MADE THEIR BEST FAITH NESTOR ADDRESSING THE COVERED PARKING SITUATION AND SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURE COMMENTS WE HAD.
I WOULD AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER FRANZ THAT YELLOW, I PREFER THE ORIGINAL COLOR RENDERING AND MAYBE REMOVE THAT YELLOW.
I THINK IN THE FUTURE THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN APPLY COLORS DIFFERENTLY, BUT THE WAY IT WAS APPLIED HERE DOESN'T SEEM TO WORK WITH VEL GIVEN THE ARCHITECTURE FOR THE BUILDING.
I WOULD STILL LIKE TO STAND ON MY COMMENT ABOUT THE PARAPETS RETURNING FAR ENOUGH BACK WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE THOSE ENDS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT JUST GETS UNDER MY SKIN WHEN I DRIVE AROUND ANYWHERE AND I SEE THOSE, SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY MY COMMENT.
THE APPLICANT HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF ADDRESSING OUR COMMENTS FROM THE FIRST MEETING.
THE USE IS NOT IN QUESTION, IN MY MIND, AND I THINK THE PARAPET WALLS THIS THAT THEY ARE ABLE SHOW AND THE WINDOWS ON THAT NORTH ELEVATION REALLY PROVIDED ME WITH THE COMFORT THAT THIS BUILDING DOES HAVE SOME STEPS IN IT WITH THE DIFFERENT PARAPET LEVELS, THE SCREENING OF THE EQUIPMENT, ET CETERA, BUT THE COLOR SCHEME WAS THE ONLY ISSUE I SAW FOR THIS TIME, SO OTHERS MY COMMENTS.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CEJA.
>> YEAH, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CEJA.
I THINK AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL I THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE THE COLORS BACK TO THE ORIGINAL COLOR SCHEME, PLEASE, AND ALSO I DO ALSO THINK THAT THOSE PARAPETS SHOULD BE -- SHOULD BE FINISHED.
THAT'S BEEN A CONSTANT THEME OF THIS PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A WHILE NOW, AND YOU KNOW YOU'RE RIGHT, WHEN YOU SEE ONE THAT WASN'T DONE THAT WAY, IT JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LEAVES THE BUILDING UNFINISHED, AND I DON'T LIKE IT, EITHER, SO I'D BE WILLING TO ADD THOSE ITEMS AS CONDITIONS UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE HAS SOMETHING ELSE THEY'D LIKE TO ADD TO IT.
OTHERWISE I THINK IT'S GREAT, AND I DO WANT TO THANK THEM FOR TRYING TO INCORPORATE THE YELLOW COLOR, EVEN THOUGH IT DIDN'T WORK.
>> ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? SO DOES ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?
>> I MEAN, I'LL DO IT IF WE CAN BRING THEM BACK UP, PLEASE.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 1945, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF INDIO, DESIGN REVIEW 20-02-471 TO CONSIDER THE ARCHITECTURE, SITE PLAN, CIRCULATION, PARKING AND LANDSCAPING OF A TWO-STORY MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING WITH THE TWO ITEMS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED AS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, THE COMPLETION OF THE PARAPETS AND THE COLOR SCHEME VERTING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL COLOR SCHEME.
CAN I JUST INTERJECT FOR ONE QUICK SECOND.
I BELIEVE I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER FRANZ'S MOTION.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF HAD THE DIRECTION THAT NEEDED TO GO BACK AND REVISE THOSE CONDITIONS ACCORDINGLY.
>> CHAIRPERSON JACQUELINE LOPEZ.
>> COMMISSIONER CHRISTIAN RODRIGUEZ CEJA.
>> AND COMMISSIONER GLORIA FRANZ.
[8.3 Indio Public Safety Campus – Design Review 20-09-478, Conditional Use Permit 20-09-1063 & Environmental Assessment 20-09-552:]
THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS THE PUBLIC SAFETY CAMPUS WHICH IS A REGULAR ITEM, AND THAT IS NIKKI GOMEZ.
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LET ME JUST SHARE MY SCREEN HERE.
I HOPE YOU SEE THE CORRECT SCREEN THERE.
GOOD EVENING, MADAME CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS NICK GOMEZ, ASSISTANT PLANNER AND BEFORE YOU IS THE INDIO PUBLIC SAFETY CAMPUS FOR THREE ENTITLEMENTS, ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT 20-LOE 9-552 CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 20-09-1063 AND DESIGN REVIEW 20-07-470.
I JUST ALSO WANTED TO REMIND THAT YOU THIS ITEM WENT BEFORE YOU AS A PROJECT CONSULTATION ITEM ON JANUARY 13, 2021.
SO JUST TO REFRESH, SO THE PROJECT IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER HAVE JACKSON STREET AND DR. CARREON BOULEVARD ON A 8.62-ACRE LOT.
IT IS BEHIND OUR EXISTING POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR FIRE STATION.
IT IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL LOW, AND WITH A GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION OF PUBLIC INSTITUTIONAL, PI.
AND SO THIS PROJECT WILL CONSISTENT OF TWO DIFFERENT PHASES.
THE PHASE 1 WILL CONSISTENT OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES BUILDING, TWO-STORY BUILDING, COMMUNICATION/DISPATCH CENTER, A ONE-STORY BUILDING, AND A FIRE STATION, ALSO A ONE-STORY BUILDING.
THIS WILL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAY ACCESS ALONG JACKSON STREET UP TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER HERE IN THE MIDDLE AS WELL AS ACCESS POINTS AT DR. CARREON, ACTUALLY TWO ACCESS POINTS AT DR. CARREON, AND ON BRISTOL STREET RIGHT INTO THE NEW FIRE STATION RIGHT HERE, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT SITE, AS WELL AS THE ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES BUILDING.
YOU WILL HAVE 342 PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARKING SPACES AND 27 CLEAN AIR VEHICLE STALLS, 20 ELECTRIC VEHICLE PARKING STALLS, AND, OF COURSE, AS FUNDING AVAILABILITY, THEY WILL LETTERS BE INCORPORATED WITH COVERED CARPORT THROUGHOUT THE PARKING AREAS.
THE SECOND PHASE OF THIS PROJECT WILL INVOLVE THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS AND THE FIRE STATION RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF JACKSON AND DR. CARREON AND BE REPLACED WITH A TWO-STORY NEW POLICE HEADQUARTERS AS A PHASE 2.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY BEFORE I GO ANY FURTHER.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE DID SOME SORT OF OUTREACH TO THE 1,000-FOOT RESIDENTS AROUND THIS PROPERTY, AND SO THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE DID.
AND ON FEBRUARY 16TH AT 6:00 P.M.
WE HAD SENT OUT FLYERS BE KIND OF REMINDING THEM THAT A ZOOM MEETING WILL HAPPEN ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF IN ADVANCE, LETTING THEM KNOW AND HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A PRESENTATION PRESENTED AND OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS, AND I BELIEVE AT THAT TIME WE HAD ABOUT 15 TO 16 ACTIVE LISTENERS, AND AS OF FRIDAY OF LAST WEEK, WE HAVE ABOUT 700 VIEWS OF THAT POSTED VIDEO ON FACEBOOK LIVE, SO WE WERE LIVE BOTH IN ZOOM AND FACEBOOK LIVE.
AND A FEW -- I BELIEVE A COUPLE OF OUR RESIDENTS HAD QUESTIONS, AND THOSE WERE ADDRESSED, CONCERNS OF TRAFFIC ALONG BRISTOL.
AND THEN -- SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF UPDATE YOU ON THAT ONE AS PART OF YOUR REQUEST.
AND SO IF WE GO FURTHER HERE AND WE GO THROUGH THE 3B DIFFERENT NEW BUILDINGS THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THIS PROPERTY, SO THE FIRST ONE WILL BE THE PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES BUILDING, WHICH WILL BE LOCATED RIGHT BEHIND OUR EXISTING POLICE
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HEADQUARTERS, AND IT WILL BE A TWO-STORY BUILDING AND IT WILL BE AROUND 22,596 SQUARE FOOT THAT WILL CONSISTENT OF, OF COURSE, PUBLIC LOBBY, MULTI-PURPOSE CONFERENCE ROOM, STAFF OFFICES, PROCESSING ROOM AND STORAGE.AND THIS WOULD BE ON THE SECONDLY FLOOR WHICH MAINLY WOULD BE FOR STAFF.
AND, OF COURSE, ARCHITECTURE WOULD BE OF THE MODERN ARCHITECTURE, AND WITH DIFFERENT DEPTHS AND VARIATIONS AND, OF COURSE,, AS YOU HAVE SEEN BEFORE, EACH COLORATION WILL BE DIFFERENT TO DIFFERENTIATE EACH OF THOSE BUILDINGS FROM ONE ANOTHER.
THE DISPATCH CENTER, WHICH WILL BE 7,336 SQUARE FEET, AND THIS IS A ONE-STORY BUILDING, THIS WILL HOUSE THE COMMUNICATION DISPATCH CENTER WHICH WILL INVOLVE THE CONCERT OPERATIONS AND THE DISPATCH INFORMATION AREA, AS WELL AS STAFF BREAK ROOM, SERVER ROOM AND CONFERENCE ROOM AND, OF COURSE, STAFF, STAFF OFFICES.
AND THIS WILL BE IN A SIMILAR TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE, OF COURSE, AND WITH THE BLUE COLORATION TO DIFFERENTIATE ITSELF.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE FIRE STATION, IT WILL BE IN THAT COLOR, WHICH IS EASILY IDENTIFIABLE.
IT WILL BE A ONE-STORY BUILDING.
IT WILL BE 13,446 SQUARE FEET.
AND IT WILL CONSISTENT LOBBY AREA, STAFF OFFICES, STORM ROOMS, EXERCISE ROOM, WORKSHOP AREA, AND A LARGE APPARATUS AREA FOR THE FIRE STATION.
AND AS I THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THAT COLORATION, OF COURSE, SIMILAR TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS.
IT WILL BE OF A MODERN STRAIGHT LINE, CLEAN LINE DESIGN AND MODERN DESIGN.
AND FROM THE LAST TIME, THESE WOULD BE THE LANDSCAPE PLANS PROPOSED, AND, OF COURSE, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, PALM TREES WILL, OF COURSE, BE INCORPORATED RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCES, THREE ENTRANCES OF THE NEW PROPOSED BUILDINGS.
AND RIGHT HERE AT THE CORNER OF DR. CARREON AND JACKSON STREET.
AND THE VARIATIONS OF LANDSCAPE THAT WILL BE SURROUNDING THE PROJECT SITE.
AND SO I HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS OF RESOLUTION 1985 FOR THE MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR THE ENVIRONMENT RESOLUTION 1984 FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A PUBLIC SERVICE FACILITY, WHICH IS THE INDIO PUBLIC SAFETY CAMPUS WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL LOW ZONE DISTRICT, AND RESOLUTION 1983 FOR THE DESIGN REVIEW 20-09-487 FOR THE SITE DESIGN CIRCULATION PARKING, BUILDING AGRICULTURE AND LANDSCAPING FOR THE PROJECT.
STAFF IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS AS WELL AS OUR PROJECT MANAGER, CITY -- DEPUTY CITY MANAGER SCOTT TRUJILLO AS WELL AS OUR PROJECT CONSULTING MANAGER, MATT, CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
I WAS UNDER THE -- FIRST, I WANT TO START BY SAYING CONGRATULATIONS TO THE STAFF.
I ACTUALLY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN THE FACEBOOK LIVE, AND I THOUGHT YOU ALL DID AN AMAZING JOB, AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING THAT ON AFTER OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
I WASN'T ABLE TO STAY FOR THE ENTIRE WORKSHOP, BUT I DID GET TO JOIN A GOOD PORTION OF IT, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THAT YOU DO ON THAT.
I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THE LAST TIME THAT YOU THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE SOME FORM OF -- AND PART OF THE INTERACTION THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE WITH THE COMMUNITY WAS TO UPLIFT THE POSSIBILITY OF A PUBLIC ARTS PROJECT FOR THIS PARTICULAR
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BUILDING, AND I'M NOT SEEING THAT INTEGRATED INTO ANY OF THE DESIGN, SO IS THAT STILL SOMETHING THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING? AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE PLAN TO DO MAYBE FURTHER OUTREACH TO SEE HOW WE CAN INCORPORATE SOME CULTURAL ARTISTIC ATTEMPT AND INTO THE OVERALL AESTHETICS OF THIS SITE?>> MR. TRUJILLO, DID YOU WANT -- YOU WILL.
I'LL LET MR. TRUJILLO RESPOND.
SCOTT TRUJILLO, YOUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
ALTHOUGH I'LL THANK MS. NAMVAR FOR INTRODUCING ME EARLIER ON THE PREVIOUS ITEM.
NEVERTHELESS, YES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ CEJA, THE PLAN IS TO INCORPORATE ART INTO THIS PROJECT, VIA MONUMENTS, ET CETERA, AND TO YOUR POINT OF BRINGING BACK THE COMMUNITY TO ESTABLISH THAT, I THINK IT'S A PHENOMENAL IDEA TO GARNER INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AS TO WHAT THAT REALLY LOOKS LIKE.
AND WE NEED TO GO BEYOND JUST THE TRADITIONAL MONUMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN THESE TYPES OF GOVERNMENT TYPE CAMPUSES AND SO FORTH, SO, YES, THAT WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THIS PROJECT, AND I WILL DEFINITELY HEED YOUR ADVICE AND RECOMMENDATION BY DOING MORE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, SO THAT WAY WE DO CAPTURE THAT, THAT ESSENCE.
>> IF I COULD, THIS IS DIRECTOR SNYDER.
THIS IS A REMINDER TO THE COMMISSION AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC ART CONSIDERATIONS ARE REVIEWED AND CONSIDERED BY THE CITY'S PUBLIC ARTS COMMISSION, SO IF THE CAMPUS IS GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC ART INCLUDED IN IT, THEN THE PUBLIC ARTS COMMISSION WOULD ALSO BE ASSISTING IN BOTH HELPING THE APPLICANTS CONSIDERED DIFFERENT PUBLIC ARTS AS WELL AS PROVIDING A FORUM FOR ADDITIONAL PUBLIC INPUT.
>> MR. SNYDER, JUST TO FOLLOW UP TO YOUR COMMENT, THEN, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE CAN EXPECT TO SEE A COLLABORATION FOR MAYBE DEVELOPING A, YOU KNOW, DECENT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS FOR THIS, SOMETHING THAT THE ARTS COMMISSION CAN THEN HEED AND POTENTIALLY I'D LIKE TO BE A PART OF IT IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE ARTS COMMISSION CAN LEAD AND THEN MAYBE LET US TAG ALONG?
>> I WON'T SPEAK PER FOR MR. TRUJILLO BUT INFER FROM WHAT HE SAID THAT HE'S INTERESTED IN HAVING A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS THAT THE ARTS COMMISSION HAS A FORMAL PROCESS BUT CERTAINLY THE CITY CAN ENGAGE IN THE PROCESS ADJUNCT AND COMPANION TO THAT, AND IF YOU OR ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE INTEREST IN BEING PART OF THAT OR PARTICIPATING AS AN INTERESTED PARTY IN THE PUBLIC ARTS COMMISSION, WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE YOU AWARE OF WHEN THE ARTS COMMISSION WOULD BE CONSIDERING THAT.
I'M SURE MR. TRUJILLO WOULD BE HAPPY TO LET THE COMMISSION KNOW WHEN PUBLIC OUTREACH EFFORTS THAT HE MIGHT SPEARHEAD WILL HAPPEN.
COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ, DID YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENT OR QUESTION?
I'LL OFFER -- I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
YOU KNOW, LIKE COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ CEJA, I WAS ALSO ABLE TO PARTICIPATE VIA YOUTUBE, AND I CAN GET INTO HOW GREAT ACTUALLY -- AND THANK YOU, STAFF, FOR DOING THAT COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
IT'S AMAZING 700 PEOPLE ACTUALLY VIEWED THIS.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW MUCH PARTICIPATION HAPPENED THAT EVENING, BUT TO GET THAT MESSAGE OUT TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS CAMPUS IS BEING EXPLORED, I THOUGHT THAT WAS GREAT, AND I UNDERSTAND WE'RE BEING LIVE-STREAMED NOW SO THE ABILITY TO LIVE STREAM AND HAVE THESE FORUMS KIND OF OUT THERE I THINK IS BENEFICIAL FOR EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK A COUPLE OF MY QUESTIONS STILL HAD TO DO WITH THE FIRST ROUND OF PRELIMINARY DESIGN.
WAS THERE EVER A DETERMINATION ON WHAT HAPPENS TO THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE, THAT UNOFFICIAL ACCESS LEFTOVER AREA BETWEEN THE HOMES AND THE CAMPUS ITSELF?
FOR THAT PARTICULAR, I GUESS, SPACE RIGHT ABOVE THAT NORTH AREA, SO THERE IS AN EASEMENT THERE THAT WOULD NEED TO REMAIN OPEN IN ORDER FOR ACCESS AND POWER UTILITIES IN THAT AREA.
SO I BELIEVE YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER CEJA, WAS THAT IT'S TO ENCLOSE IT AS PART OF THE PROJECT, SO UNFORTUNATELY THAT -- WE WON'T ABLE TO ENCLOSE THAT AS PART OF THE PROJECT DUE TO THAT EASEMENT THAT'S EXISTING.
>> WHO IS THE EASEMENT HOLDER? IS IT JUST A GENERAL PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT? THE EASEMENT HOLDER?
SO THAT WOULD BE I BELIEVE IID.
>> I GUESS -- I THINK WE HEARD -- I THINK IT WAS EITHER DURING OUR LAST
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MEETING OR DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE YOUTUBE I WAS ABLE TO WATCH, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS KIND OF A CUT-THROUGH, KIND OF A NO MAN'S LAND.THERE'S NOT REALLY EYES ON THE SITE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU COULD CAP ONE SIDE OF THAT EASEMENT, STILL PROVIDING ACCESS TO IID WITH SOME KIND OF ACCESS DATE GATE, ACCESS INTO THAT BACK PARKING LOT, ESSENTIALLY JUST CUTTING OFF THAT AREA FOR WHOMEVER IS BACK THERE AND ONLY ALLOWING THE UTILITY TO ACCESS IT.
>> THAT WOULD-- STAFF WOULD DEFINITELY PROBABLY COORDINATE WITH THE UTILITY COMPANY TO ENSURE THE TYPE OF ACCESS THEY WOULD NEED 7 FOR THE CAPPING OR WHATEVER SPACE THEY NEED, AND CERTAINLY WE COULD WORK WITH THEM TO DO THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, YES, IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO REMAIN AVAILABLE AND ACCESSIBLE TO THEM.
>> I'M THINKING THAT WE NEED TO PAVE OVER OR CONCRETE OVER THE EASEMENT ITSELF, BUT WE COULD ELIMINATE THAT GAP BETWEEN THE HOMES AND THIS CAMPUS BY CAPTURING THAT SPACE AND STILL ALLOWING THE UTILITY TO HAVE ACCESS TO IT, SO I'M NOT SURE IF THE EASEMENT IS COMPLETELY ON THE CITY'S PROPERTY OR IF THERE'S ALSO A PORTION OF IT 5 FEET OR SO ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
SO JUST LIKE THOSE RESIDENTS WERE ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT SPACE, ENCLOSE IT WHERE THE UTILITY COULD STILL HAVE ACCESS TO IT, I THINK THE CITY COULD PERFORM THAT SAME KIND OF IMPROVEMENT AND STILL ALLOW THE UTILITY TO ACCESS IT.
I'M STILL CONCERNED THAT THAT IS JUST A SPACE THAT'S IGNORED, THERE'S NO EYES ON THE SITE, AND THEN IT'S JUST NOT CAPTURED OR MAINTAINED.
ON YOUR PRESENTATION, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF I SAW IT ON THE FIRST PRESENTATION YOU HAD, BUT WAS THERE ARCHITECTURE FOR THE PHASE 2 BUILDINGS?
I BELIEVE -- >> MATT, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT?
>> YEAH, MADAME CHAIRPERSON, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US BACK.
THERE IS NOT ARCHITECTURAL ANNIVERSARY OR DESIGN FOR THAT FOOTPRINT AT THIS STAGE, GIVEN THE POTENTIAL TIME FRAME IN BETWEEN PHASES, SO THE MOST DIRECT INTENT OF INCLUDING THAT IN THIS PACKAGE HERE WAS FOR THE CEQA STUDIES AND THE PERMISSION AND APPROVAL TO EXPLORE THAT AT A FUTURE TIME, KIND OF AN UNLOCKING THIS FIRST PART OF THE STEPS THAT IT COULD BE ADDED TO THE SITE LATER AND AT WHICH POINT IT COULD COME BACK FOR DESIGN REVIEW AND SO FORTH AS IT'S DEVELOPED.
YEAH, AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS WE PROVIDED THE FIRST TIME IS ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT WE ESSENTIALLY WALL OUT THIS CAMPUS TO THE COMMUNITY, CAMPUSES BY THEIR NATURE ARE TYPICALLY OPEN.
I UNDERSTAND FOR PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS WHY THIS CAMPUS CANNOT BE OPEN.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, JACKSON STREET IS THE PRIMARY STREET IN THIS CASE.
WE ALMOST WANT PUBLIC FACILITIES FACING THE PRIMARY STREET.
WE WANT THAT ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY.
HAVE YOU DONE ANYTHING TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS WHERE WE'RE JUST WALLING IN THIS CAMPUS AND IT'S DETACHED FOR EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND IT?
>> TO YOUR DIRECT POINT, IT IS A FINE NEEDLE TO THREAD BETWEEN THE SAFETY ASPECTS OF THE CAMPUS AND THE PUBLIC.
WHAT WE TRIED TO DO TO RESPOND TO THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH PHASE 2 IN JACKSON, WE NEED TO GET THAT PUBLIC PARKING.
YOU CAN SEE IN THE LOWER LEFT CORNER DIFFERENT VIEWS OF THE FUTURE PD, BUT WE DID TRY TO PULL BACK SOME OF OUR WALL LOCATIONS TO ALLOW FOR GREATER GREEN SPACE, QUOTE/UNQUOTE, GREEN SPACE IN THE DESERT WHICH COULD ULTIMATELY IN OUR MIND BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT PUBLIC ARTS COMMISSION AS WELL, THAT THAT STRETCH BASICALLY ALONG THE NORTH-SOUTH CORRIDOR OF JACKSON COULD BE ACTIVATED BY HAVING PULLED OUR ACTUAL BUILD WALL AND PARKING SPACE AND SECURITY, KIND OF ALL THOSE MEASURES BACK TO ALLOW OPPORTUNITY FOR SOFTENING AND ENGAGEMENT, WHETHER IT BE PUBLIC ART, MEANDERING A PATH AT THAT FUTURE PHASE.
>> PROBABLY FOR CITY STAFF AS WELL, OFTENTIMES, DEPENDING ON THE ZONE OR PROPOSAL BEFORE US, THERE'S AN OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT, AND MAYBE WE'RE MEETING THAT JUST WITH THE LANDSCAPE PERIMETER THAT WE'RE PROVIDING, BUT GIVEN THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC FACILITY, WHAT KIND OF PUBLIC SPACE IS BEING PROVIDED?
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>> ON THE SITE IT IS, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, FAIRLY MAXIMIZED.
THE UNIQUENESS TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY CAMPUS HERE INTERNAL OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND OPEN SPACE CHALLENGES COMES INTO THE PATROL PARKING AND THE REQUIREMENTS BASICALLY OF TWO CARS, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON AND THE PROCEDURAL VEHICLE NEED TO BE HOUSED ON-SITE DURING SHIFT, SO THAT DID LIMIT OUR ABILITY AS TO FINDING OTHER OPPORTUNITIES SO THAT WE COULD PROVIDE THAT PARKING.
WE HAVE BASINS ON THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE AS WELL ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF COM DISPATCH CENTER NORTH, WHICH IS BEHIND THE PERIMETER SO IT DOESN'T MUCH HELP, BUT IN THAT FUTURE PHASE 2 PARKING, SO THERE ISN'T A GREAT ABILITY OF THE SITE DUE TO THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND CHALLENGES OF THE USAGE TO KIND OF CARVE OUT FURTHER MAYBE PLAZA ACTIVITY, PUBLIC SPACE WITHIN THE CAMPUS.
>> AND THE PARKING REQUIREMENT IS ESSENTIALLY GENERATED BY PATROL VEHICLES, STORAGE FROM THE FIRE, POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR VEHICLES.
>> IT'S NOT REALLY PUBLIC PARKING DRIVEN.
>> FOR STAFF, BEING A CITY PROJECT, ALL CITY FEES STILL HAVE TO BE PAID JUST BY THE CITY IN THIS CASE AS THE APPLICANT.
AND WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR PUBLIC ART, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD ESSENTIALLY HAVE TO PAY INTO THE PUBLIC ART FEE AND THEN MAYBE APPLY ART AT THE SITE?
>> SO, COMMISSIONER, THE CURRENT CODE LANGUAGE GIVES THE APPLICANT THE OPTION OF PAYING INTO THE ARTS IN PUBLIC PLACES FUND OR TO PROCEED WITH THE INSTALLATION OF PUBLISH ART THAT WOULD THEN BE CONSIDERED THROUGH THE PUBLIC ARTS COMMISSION PROCESS.
>> AND I KNOW THIS QUESTION HAS COME UP QUITE A BIT IN THE PAST.
I'M CURIOUS, DO WE AS A COMMISSION HAVE ANY CONDITION TO APPLY TO THE PUBLIC ART ITSELF RATHER THAN PAYING THE FEE?
>> I WOULD DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, BUT BECAUSE THERE'S AN EITHER/OR IN THE CURRENT CODE LANGUAGE, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM PREVIOUS CITY ATTORNEY ADVICE THAT WE HAVE TO RESPECT THAT CODE LANGUAGE, SO THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE THE OPTION, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THE COMMISSION HAS THE THAT RIGHT TO CONDITION BASED ON THAT CURRENT CODE LANGUAGE, HOWEVER WE WILL BE DEFER TO THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
>> DIRECTOR SNYDER, THAT'S CORRECT, AND IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE LAST ITEM WHERE BECAUSE THE CODE CONTROLS, THAT'S WHAT GOVERNS HERE, BUT OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE ABLE TO GET THE APPLICANT TO VOLUNTARILY AGREE TO THE CONDITION, THEN THERE'S THAT PATH AS WELL.
>> AND AGAIN, REALLY MY POINT IS THIS IS A PUBLIC FACILITY.
THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO THE FIRE STATION AND POLICE STATION.
SO THIS REALLY NEEDS TO ENGAGE THE CITY OF INDIO AND NOT TURN ITS BACK TO IT, WHICH IS MY BIG FEAR IF WE JUST WALL UP THIS PERIMETER AND NOT ALLOW SOME KIND OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
AND WHY I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF ART PIECE, PUBLIC SPACE, AND IT CAN BE DEFINITELY CENTERED AROUND PUBLIC SAFETY AND THOSE CAREER PATHS, BUT TO ESSENTIALLY NOT PROVIDE ANYTHING THAT BELONGS OR FEELS AS PART OF INDIO AND THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE I THINK IS A BIG MISSED OPPORTUNITY, SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHERE THOSE COMMENTS ARE COMING FROM.
BUT THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS, AND I THANK YOU FOR THE PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT YOU DID AFTER OUR FIRST MEETING.
>> MADAME CHAIRPERSON, MAY I ADD A COUPLE OF POINTS, IF I CAN?
>> SO THIS IS -- THIS CAMPUS HAS THE -- IT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY CAMPUS, BUT PLEASE LET'S NOT FORGET IT IS A PUBLIC SAFETY, SO IT'S NOT YOUR REGULAR PUBLIC PLACES FOR GATHERING, LIKE A PARK, LIBRARY OR A CITY HALL, SO THERE'S A VERY NARROW LINE HERE THAT ARE WE GOING TO MAKE THIS A PUBLIC GATHERING PLACE, WHY OUR PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS TO GET OUT FAST AND ADDRESS SOME TYPE OF SAFETY MATTER.
WHAT IS THAT, SO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND.
WITH THE ABILITIES THAT THE CITY STAFF HAD, THE CAMPUS PROVIDES OFFICE SPACE AND GREEN AREAS AND ALSO THE ARCHITECTURE IS ENLIGHTENING.
ON THE COMMENT ON THE EASEMENT, THE IDE EASEMENT TO SEE IF WE CAN PUT --
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INCLUDE IT IN THE CAMPUS, THOSE ARE AGAIN -- WE NEED CONTACT IID.WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT PER IID'S REQUIREMENTS OR ENGAGEMENT WITH US, SO I WANTED TO ADD THAT AS WELL.
AND THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY CAMPUS, SO I'M THINKING THERE WILL BE EYES IN THAT AREA THAT IS BEING THE EASEMENT AREA, EVEN NOW THAT WE ARE AWARE OF THE CHALLENGES FOR THAT SECTION.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THOSE TWO POINTS.
YOU KNOW WHAT? SORRY TO INTERJECT REALLY QUICK, BUT I GUESS THE POINT NOW THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT IT, THE IID WHERE THOSE POWER POLES ARE, AND I GUESS MAYBE I SHOULD ASK SCOTT THIS QUESTION ABOUT HOW CAN WE GET IID TO THE TABLE ALSO BECAUSE OF THE -- I DROVE BY THERE -- I DROVE BY THIS SEVER TIMES AND I DROVE BY THERE TODAY.
YOU HAVE SOME OLD LIKE POWER POLES THAT AGAINST THAT EASEMENT.
HAS THERE EVER BEEN ANY DISCUSSION OR IS THERE ANYTHING IN THAT REQUIRES THAT SOME TIME, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE LINE TO KIND OF KEEP UP WITH -- TO KIND OF UPGRADE THAT COMMUNITY TO PUT SOME OF THOSE POWER POLES UNDERGROUND?
>> TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THAT CONVERSATION HAS NOT OCCURRED WITH IID, AND PERHAPS MR. SNYDER CAN SPEAK IN MORE DETAIL TO THAT, BUT THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I THINK THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA IS VERY OLD, SO THAT MAY BE A GREAT DISCUSSION TO APPROACH IID WITH OF FUTURE EFFORTS TO UNDERGROUND.
THE NEXT QUESTION IS GOING TO BE THEY'RE GOING TO ASK US AND WE'RE GOING TO ASK THEM TO PAY FOR IT, SO MAY THE DIALOGUE BEGIN, BUT I DON'T KNOW, KEVIN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?
>> YEAH, I'LL BE THE DOWNER FOR A SECOND HERE.
I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE, BUT THE CITY HAS LIMITED LEGAL AUTHORITY TO ACQUIRE UNDERGROUNDING UNLESS IT IS -- IT'S AFFILIATED WITH A PROJECT DIRECTLY.
THIS, THESE LINES DO NOT SERVE THIS PROJECT, SO THEREFORE -- DIRECTLY, SO THE CITY COULD VOLUNTARILY WORK TO PURSUE UNDERGROUNDING, AND MR. TRUJILLO HIT THE PROVERBIAL NAIL ON THE HEAD, IT ALWAYS GETS BACK TO WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT, AND THERE ARE ACTUALLY VERY STRICT LAWS ABOUT HOW THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED IN TERMS OF DEMANDS OF THE CITY.
SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT TYPO, AS MR. TRUJILLO POINTED OUT, TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH OUR FRIENDS AT IID TO SEE WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES, BUT THERE WILL BE A COST AND LIKELY IF THE CITY WAS GOING TO WANT TO DO THIS, THE CITY WOULD BEAR THE COST.
>> SO WHO UPKEEPS THESE POWER POLES IF THEY'VE BEEN UP FOR 30-SOME-ODD-YEARS IN THESE TYPES OF COMMUNITIES?
>> TYPICALLY THEY'RE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PROVIDER SO THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE UPKEEP OF THE POLES, THE REPLACEMENT, BUT THE UNDERSTANDING REQUIREMENT, CITIES ARE SURVEILLED IN THEIR ABILITY TO REQUIRE THAT TO SOME VERY LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE UPKEEP, IT'S TYPICALLY THE PROVIDER.
SO THAT WOULD BE IID, AND THEY ARE ALSO REGULATED BY THE STATE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION.
>> THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION.
IS THERE ANY LEGISLATION THAT REQUIRES PUBLIC UTILITY -- LIKE IID TO UPGRADE INTO, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITIES SUCH AS -- THAT'S NEXT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
PERHAPS OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY MIGHT BE, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY LEGISLATION THAT MANDATES OR REQUIRES THAT.
AGAIN, THE CITY CAN TYPICALLY REQUIRE -- WE HAVE OUR OWN RULES THAT REQUIRE UNDERSTANDING OF AN APPLICANT FOR DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES, BUT AT A UTILITY PROVIDER LEVEL, THAT WOULD BE THROUGH THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION.
PERHAPS THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY HAS ANY THOUGHTS THAT SHE MIGHT WANT TO SHARE.
>> I ALSO DON'T KNOW OF ANY CURRENT LEGISLATION OR EVEN PENDING LEGISLATION THAT WOULD ADDRESS THAT.
>> CHAIR, IF I CAN FOLLOW UP ON THAT, IF THIS WAS ANY OTHER APPLICANT THAT HAD A NEW DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL, WOULD THEY BE REQUIRED TO UNDERGROUND THESE LINES?
>> THE SHORT ANSWER IS IF IT'S IN A -- IN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA OF IMPACT, SINCE THIS AREA IS NOT BEING IMPACTED, TYPICALLY THE ANSWER WOULD BE NO, SO
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NORMALLY, PUTTING ASIDE WHO THE APPLICANT IS IN A SENSE, THE ANSWER WOULD BE NO.THE OTHER THING I'M JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT AN OVERHEAD OR A STREET VIEW.
THE ALSO GETS A LITTLE BIT INTERESTING BECAUSE THESE LINES ALSO CONNECT TO BROADER DISTRIBUTION LINES, SO IT'S NOT JUST SIMPLY DEALING WITH THESE POLES.
YOU'D HAVE TO ADDRESS THE POLES THAT GO DOWN JACKSON BOULEVARD, WHICH ARE HIGHER FREQUENCY DISTRIBUTION LINES.
SO -- BUT THE SHORT ANSWER, COMMISSIONER, IS NO.
IF IT WAS DIRECTLY IMPACTING IT, THEN THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE THERE'S NO DIRECT IMPACT.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER BECAUSE I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.
IT DOES FEEL, THOUGH, BY NOT ADDRESSING THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE, PULLING IT OUTSIDE THAT UTILITY EASEMENT, THE CITY'S CHOOSING NOT TO ADDRESS WHERE THOSE POWER POLES ARE.
>> WELL, AND I'M GOING TO SPEAK PERHAPS A LITTLE, AND MR. TRUJILLO CAN, AS THE APPLICANT, SHOULD SPEAK, BUT I THINK THERE WAS AN EARLIER SUGGESTION BY YOU, COMMISSIONER, OF A POTENTIAL WAY TO AT LEAST ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES BY, YOU KNOW, TO JUST YOUR WORDS, CAPPING AND DOING SOME AT LEAST LIMITED CONTROLLING OVER THAT SPACE, AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA THAT STAFF CAN EXPLORE WITH MR. TRUJILLO AND THE PROJECT ARCHITECT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S AN AVOIDANCE, BUT TO USE THAT TERM, I THINK IT'S A RECOGNITION THAT THAT IS AN EASEMENT AREA THAT IS RESERVED TO A UTILITY PROVIDER THAT IS ON THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTIES OWNERSHIP, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS PHYSICALLY IN A DIFFERENT SETTING WE MIGHT BE HAVING A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION BUT IT'S LITERALLY AT THE EDGE.
>> AND THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS.
I DO SEE THE POWER POLE SOMEWHAT STRADDLE THAT PROPERTY LINE, SO THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME ENGAGEMENT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE NORTH.
I THINK THE COMMENT, IN ADDITION TO THE POWER LINES, IS REALLY WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THIS AREA BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND WHERE THIS CAMPUS IS, THE UTILITY LINES ARE JUST A PART OF THAT.
SO THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT QUESTION.
MY OTHER QUESTION, JUST LIKE WE SEE -- I'M VERY CURIOUS IN TERMS OF FUTURE PLANNING, THE DIRECTION IS CITY IS HEADING.
WE WERE HEADING TOWARD 100,000 PEOPLE.
I'M NOT SURE, I CAN'T REMEMBER OF THE EXACT NUMBER FOR GENERAL PLAN BUILD-OUT.
LET'S SAY IT'S IN EXCESS OF 125, 130.
JUST LIKE SEE BRAND NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS GO IN AND NEXT YEAR THEY'VE GOT 15 MORE, YOU KNOW, TRAILERS OUT THERE, HAS THIS BEEN EXPLORED, THE ENTIRE CAMPUS, FOR POTENTIAL EXPANSION? ARE WE SURE HA APPROVING THESE PHASES PROVIDES ADEQUATE FACILITIES NOT ONLY FOR TODAY'S SERVICES BUT ALSO FOR WHAT WE MIGHT NEED 15, 20 YEARS DOWN THE LINE?
>> MATT, DID YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT?
COMMISSIONER CEJA, WE HAVE DESIGNED THE BUILDING BASED ON PROJECTED STAFF GROWTH.
I'VE HAD TO PULL UP THE CHART AGAIN, BUT I BELIEVE WE WORKED WITH NUMBERS OUT TOWARDS ABOUT 2050, SO 30 YEARS OUT OF STAFF EXPANSION PROJECTIONS, SO THE CURRENT PHASE 1 BUILDINGS ARE DESIGNED BASED ON THAT PROJECTED GROWTH.
THE PHASE 2, GOING TWO-STORY REALLY DOES EXCEED THOSE NUMBERS.
THAT'S WHY IT'S MORE OF THAT FOOTPRINT GAME PLAN AT THE MOMENT.
WITH THE GROWTH, THE PROJECTED GROWTH TO THE CITY GOING NORTHWARD AS WELL, THERE'S ALSO CONSIDERATION IN THE FUTURE THAT ANOTHER STATION OR I'LL USE THE WORD A SECONDARY SAID HEADQUARTERS POTENTIALLY COULD BE STATIONED NOT ON THIS SITE AND UP ON THE NORTH SITE WHICH WOULD HELP ALSO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY IDD'S FUTURE STAFFING POTENTIAL AND WHERE THOSE RESOURCES BEST ALLOCATED FOR COVERAGE AND RESPONSE TIMES.
AND IF I COULD ADD ONE LAST THOUGHT THERE TO THE NORTH SIDE AND THE EASEMENT AND SO FORTH, JUST WANT TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON MR. SNYDER'S COMMENTS THERE.
WE WEREN'T TRYING TO AVOID AN ISSUE, MORE SO AS TO RESPECT TO THAT EASEMENT, ESPECIALLY AS IT CROSSES BOTH PROPERTY LINES, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH AND OURSELVES, WE FELT FOR IID'S ACCESS, ESPECIALLY WITH OVERHEAD LINES, IF THEY DO NEED TO GET TRUCKS OR OTHER EQUIPMENT EQUIPMENT, IF WE WERE TO ENCUMBER, WHAT WE MIGHT ABLE TO DO WITHIN OUR PROPERTY LINE, WE'D ACTUALLY BE CUTTING THAT DOWN TO SLAVER RATHER THAN FULL ENCOMPASSING THAT EASEMENT, SO WE FELT IT MORE BEST PRACTICE TO GIVE THEM AN ADEQUATE SPACE ACTUALLY TO GET VEHICLES, EQUIPMENT, WHAT THEY MIGHT NEED INTO THAT AREA SINCE IT IS KIND OF STRADDLING THE PROPERTY
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LINES THERE, SO JUST AS A LITTLE POINT OF CLARIFICATION.IF WE ARE ABLE TO ENCUMBER SOME OF IT, WE STILL CAN'T TAKE OFF IT, AND THEN WHAT DO THEY DO WHEN THEY KIND OF DON'T HAVE A DIRECT ACCESS? SO THANK YOU.
>> MADAME CHAIR, IF I COULD JUST ADD SOMETHING, THE ORDER COMES FROM A 30,000-FOOT VIEW, IF YOU WILL.
MOST OF US ON THIS CALL HERE HAVE -- ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH A NEW PUB SAFETY CAMPUS HAS BEEN THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION FOR MANY, MANY YEARS PRIMARILY BECAUSE THE CURRENT FACILITIES ARE JUST WOEFULLY INADEQUATE.
SO AS YOU CAN IMAGINE WORKING ON THIS PROJECT ROUGHLY THE LAST TWO-PLUS YEARS HAS NOT ONLY BEEN AWARD REWARDING BUT EXCITING FOR US AND I'VE GOT TO SAY THAT THE TEAM IS COMPRISED OF SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS, WHICH HAS BEEN REALLY NEAT TO WORK WITH, SPECIFICALLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT WIET, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, OF COURSE, PUBLIC WORKS, IWA FINANCE, AND WHOLE ARCHITECTURE.
SO WHAT YOU'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH TONIGHT I THINK CAPTURES THE VISION AND ESSENCE OF WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAD ENVISIONED COUPLED WITH THE NEEDS OF FIRE AND POLICE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, SO TONIGHT THIS GETS US THAT MUCH CLOSER TO THAT GOAL OF BEING A SHOVEL-READY PROJECT.
THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH THAT'S BEEN ACCOMPLISHED IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, MUCH -- WE'RE GETTING SO MUCH FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD THAN WE HAVE.
LET'S REWIND EVEN 14 YEARS AGO, 15 YEARS AGO AND WE WERE STILL HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
IS ALL THAT PARKING NECESSARY? I KNOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STORAGE, AND I HEAR LEILA SAYING THIS IS NOT PUBLIC SPACE SO IT SHOULDN'T LOOK LIKE A PUBLIC SPACE, HOWEVER, I THINK THAT TO COMMISSIONER CEJA'S POINT THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCORPORATE SOME FORM OF EITHER PUBLIC ACCESS AND MAKE THIS MORE OF A PROJECT THAT IS NOT SORT OF AN INDIVIDUAL, YOU KNOW, LITTLE FORTRESS ON THE CORNER, BUT MORE SO SOMETHING THAT IS INCORPORATED INTO THE COMMUNITY, THAT WE HAVE A PARK THAT IS JUST NORTH OF THE SITE, WE HAVE A RESIDENTIAL SITE THAT SURROUNDS IT.
I THINK THAT WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL BE ACCESSING THE SITE, AND SO HOW DO WE -- HOW DO WE MAKE IT SO THAT WE'RE DESIGNING AND WHAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR IS A PROJECT THAT, TO ALL THE THINGS, AND CONGRATULATIONS TO GETTING TO THIS POINT, MR. TRUJILLO, BUT AT THE SAME TIME ALSO TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WE HAVE A NEED FOR GREEN SPACE, YOU HAVE A GREED AND A PRIORITY TO -- A NEED AND A PRIORITY TO PROMOTE PEDESTRIAN, CYCLISTS.
THESE ARE ALL PRIORITIES THAT I THINK AS A CITY WE REALLY WANTED TO PUSH FORWARD.
AND SO I THINK THAT THIS CAMPUS HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SOME OF THAT.
AND SOY I GUESS GOING BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION, IS ALL OF THIS PARKING ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY OR ARE WE LIKE OVERPLANNING BECAUSE WE THINK THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT NEED SOME OF THAT? CAN SOME OF THIS BE UTILIZED TO CREATE A MORE WELCOMING GREEN SPACE POTENTIALLY ON MAYBE THE NORTHERN END? AND THEN LASTLY, HOW ARE WE PREPARING -- GOING BACK TO THE CONVERSATION ON ELECTRICITY, HOW ARE WE INCORPORATING RENEWABLE ENERGY INTO THIS PROCESS? I KNOW THAT WE HAVE ASKED POLITICS FOR SHADED PARKING -- APPLICANTS FOR SOLAR PANELS AND I'M INTERESTING HOW WE AS A CITY ARE INCORPORATING ALL OF THOSE PRIORITIES THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING TO DEVELOPERS INTO OUR OWN PROJECT.
>> COMMISSIONER CEJA, RODRIGUEZ CEJA CEJA -- SORRY -- THAT ANSWER THE PARKING QUESTION, BASED ON THE CURRENT CITY ORDINANCE, AT TOTAL BUILD OUT WE'RE
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REQUIRED TO HAVE 334 PARKING SPACES, AND THE TOTAL PROVIDED IS 342.SO WE'RE ONLY 12 SPACES -- I'M SORRY -- EIGHT SPACES ABOVE THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT, WHICH AS LUCK WOULD HAVE IT FOR THE USERS ON THE SITE HERE AND THE TEAMS, JUST IS WHAT THEY THINK IS FEASIBLE FOR THE FULL BUILD-OUT OF THE SITE.
IN TERMS OF WHAT COULD BE POSSIBLE DOWN THE ROAD, AND MAYBE THIS IS A PRIORITY CONSIDERATION FOR THE PHASE 2 APPROACH TO THE PROJECT, KNOWING THAT THERE'S SOME VARIABLES INVOLVED IN FUTURE PLANNING OF GROWTH AND PD SPECIFICALLY ON THAT FUTURE STATION TO THE NORTH, IF AT SOME POINT IN TIME THIS BUILDING, THE PHASE 2 HERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, JUST DROP IN SQUARE FOOTAGE, THAT WOULD CORRESPOND TO A DROP IN PARKING REQUIREMENT AND COULD OPEN UP FURTHER OPPORTUNITY AT THAT TIME, BUT AS IT'S CURRENTLY CONCEIVED, AGAIN, WE'RE RIGHT AT BASICALLY THE CITY PRESCRIBED NUMBERS AND ALSO THE NEEDS OF PATROL VEHICLES ON-SITE IN ADDITION TO THE CIVILIAN DRIVE TO THE SITE VEHICLE.
>> OH, THE SOLAR AND SO FORTH.
WE ARE, AS WE'RE ESTABLISHING BUDGETS AND WORKING WITH THE CITY'S TEAM THERE AND MR. TRUJILLO, THE INTENT IS TO PROVIDE COVERED PARKING, AND IF WE ARE ABLE TO DO THAT, IT WILL BE SOLAR PANEL CAPABLE AS WELL.
WE WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE AND SUPPORT THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY ON CANOPIES, WHY NOT PUT SOLAR ON THERE.
ALL THE BUILDING WILL ALSO BE SOLAR CAPABLE, MEANING WE WILL HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE ROOF DEDICATED TO SUPPORT THAT, SO ADDITIONALLY IF THERE'S FUNDING IN FUTURE ROUNDS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS SITE AND THIS PROJECT, THE BUILDINGS WILL BE ABLE TO RECEIVE THOSE PANELS AS WELL.
>> ALSO, TO THE GREEN SPACE, ONE -- HERE'S AN IDEA.
I KNOW THAT MR. SNYDER HAD SAID AT ONE POINT IN TIME OF HAVING A PEDESTRIAN PLAZA ON THAT CORNER OF DR. CARREON AND JACKSON.
SO BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY PHASE 2, WE'RE TALKING YEARS AND YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITY THERE TO CAPTURE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, INCORPORATE THAT ON THAT CORNER.
SO GREAT INPUT, AND I THINK THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
>> JUST ONE LAST THING, INSTRUCTION I GUESS AS A FOLLOW-UP YOU WERE SUGGESTING ABOUT POTENTIAL FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.
I THINK IT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY A GOOD IDEA TO START LOOKING INTO WHAT THOSE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES ARE AND MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, EITHER THEY MIGHT REQUIRE SOME COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.
THEY MIGHT INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF REQUIREMENTS.
SO MAKING SURE AS A PROJECT IS COMING TO FRUITION THAT WE'RE ALSO INCLUDED THESE OPPORTUNITIES TO MACK IT ELIGIBLE WHERE THESE STATE SUPPORTED FUNDS, AND SO JUST SOMETHING TO SHARE.
>> YOU HIT ON THE HEAD, AND PART OF THE INTENT TONIGHT, I MENTIONED THAT A SHOVEL-READY PROJECT, TO QUALIFY FOR THOSE GRANTS, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE ONE OF THOSE, SO WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO THAT, TO THAT PARTICULAR GOAL, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
>> YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS AP INTERESTING TOPIC ONLY BECAUSE WE NEED TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF BUT THEN THE CITY'S ALSO THE APPLICANT, SO IT GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING ON WHEN WE CAN DELIBERATE, WHEN WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS, ET CETERA.
I THINK COMMUNITY SPACE, ENGAGEMENT OF THE COMMUNITY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT WITH THIS CAMPUS AND PUBLIC SAFETY IN GENERAL.
WHAT I WORRY ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, OUR GENERAL PLAN HAS SOME POLICIES 1 BUT HOW WE ADDRESS STREET FRONT OFAGES, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING HAD TO FOLLOW, AND I KNOW I HEARD THE POLICE CHIEF ALSO SAY THEY'RE EXERCISING COMMUNITY POLICING, THEY'RE TRYING TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY IN ANY WAY THAT THEY CAN, AND ONE OF MY
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CONCERNS STILL IS HOW WE REALLY CAPTURE THIS AREA AND PRIVATIZE IT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.IN THE NAME OF PUB SAFETY ITSELF WHICH SEEMS COUNTERINTUITIVE AND PERPETUATES THIS US VERSUS THEM MENTALITY.
I THINK OVERALL, AND AGAIN THIS IS KIND OF CONFUSING BECAUSE WE ARE ADDRESSING THE APPLICANT AND THE STAFF AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK SOME THINGS ARE -- I'M STILL WANTING A BIT MORE INFORMATION, WHAT HAPPENS ALONG THAT NORTHERN PROPERTY PROPERTY LINE.
IS NOW IS THAT ADDRESSED IN HOW DOES CITY STAFF ADDRESS ANOTHER APPLICANT WHEN THIS SITUATION MAY ARISE AND THERE'S IT'S PROJECT ADJACENT TO IT? WHO WOULD BE.FOR MEETING WITH THE UTILITY, FINGER OUT MAYBE DOES THAT NEED TO BE UNDERGROUNDED, ET CETERA.
>> COMMISSIONER CEJA, I HAVE TO INTERRUPT FOR ONE SECOND.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.
I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COMMISSION.
SO YOU'RE GETTING INTO DELIBERATIVE COMMENTS.
PERHAPS WE SHOULD LET THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS CLOSE BEFORE WE HAVE DELIBERATIONS.
>> NO, TEAL, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
THE CITY OR THE STAFF OR THE APPLICANT.
>> I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE, BUT IF THE COMMISSION IS DONE ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE THE CHAIRPERSON CHOOSES TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN YOUR COMMENTS ARE CERTAINLY WELCOME.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CEJA.
I THINK ALL THE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED BY MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
OVERALL I THINK THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDINGS IS GREAT.
I THINK THAT IT'S WAY PAST DUE FOR US TO HAVE THESE NEW FACILITIES FOR OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT I'LL SAVE THE REST OF MY COMMENTS FOR MY DELIBERATION TIME.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FRANZ.
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO CONCUR WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS TOWARDS THE END BUT WE ARE ONE OF THE ONLY FOUR -- WE ARE OUR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CELEBRATED, AND AGAIN, I CONCUR AND I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ABOUT HAVING SOME OPEN SPACE.
SO I JUST WOULD LIKE YOU TO KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND CONSIDER IT, BUT I WILL OPEN THIS UP FOR ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, EVELYN.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM?
SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START OUR DELIBERATIONS, RIGHT, AND GO ROUND MUCH.
ERIC, DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST?
IT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION IN THIS PROCESS.
IT'S JUST BEEN A DIFFICULT ONE.
THEY'RE ALMOST THE SAME AT THIS POINT.
NO, I THINK AGAIN THAT NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE LEAVES ME WANTING AND HAS MORE QUESTIONS, HOW DO WE ADDRESS THIS NORTHERN END.
HOW DO TREAT ANOTHER APPLICANT IF THEY WERE HAVING A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL AND THERE'S ABOVE ACCOUNTED UTILITY LINES? AT THE VERY MINIMUM I THINK A CONVERSATION WITH IID NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
THE THAT EASEMENT COULD BE RELOCATED AND SO IT'S NOT SHARED ON THOSE PROPERTY LINES AND ENTIRELY LOCATED ON THE CITY'S DRIVEWAY THERE WHICH WOULD STILL PROVIDE ACCESS TO IID, AND I THINK THE LARGER POINT I WANT TO GET TO IS THAT THIS IS SUCH A HUGE OPPORTUNITY.
THIS IS SO NEEDED FOR THE CITY.
YOU SEE THOSE BUILDINGS ON JACKSON NOW.
THEY CANNOT BE SUFFICIENT FOR TODAY'S OPERATION.
THIS IS A PROJECT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS BASICALLY OUR ONCE, AT LEAST PROBABLY IN MY LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS HAPPEN.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ADDRESSING THIS IN 15 YEARS AGAIN.
LIKE THIS IS ONCE IN 50 YEARS.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO IT RIGHT.
SO I THINK THAT NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE, THE UTILITY LINES, THE EASEMENT TO THE NORTH NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE WE CONSIDER AN APPROVAL FOR THIS.
I THINK, TOO, AGAIN FURTHERING THOSE COMMENTS ABOUT PUBLIC SPACE IN THIS AREA AND HOW IT ENGAGES THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE HAVE SETTLED PLANS FOR THE PHASE 2 DEVELOPMENT, SO ASIDE FROM THE COMMENTS ON THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE, MAYBE THE COMMISSION CAN CONSIDER APPROVING THE DESIGN REVIEW FOR THE FIRE STATION, THE DISPATCH CENTER, THE PSS BUILDING, WHICH WE HAVE ARCHITECTURE, A GOOD SITE PLAN FOR, BUT MAYBE THAT DESIGN REVIEW FOR PHASE 2 HAS TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
WE'RE NOT SURE WHEN THAT COULD HAPPEN.
STAFF ISN'T SURE IF THAT'S A FIVE, TEN, 15-YEAR PROCESS, WHEN THOSE BUILDINGS MIGHT BE UPDATED, SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ARCHITECTURE, THAT SITE PLAN CAN CHANGE.
WE HAVE DIFFERENT GENERAL PLAN POLICIES.
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MAYBE THAT PHASE 2 CAN COME BACK FOR A SEPARATE DESIGN REVIEW.AND I THINK REALLY THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS AT THIS POINT.
I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE SOME PUBLIC SPACE, PLAZA, PUBLIC ART ADDED, PARTICULARLY TO THE JACKSON STREET OR TO THE CORNER OF DR. CARREON AS WELL TO REALLY ENHANCE THIS AND REINFORCE THAT THE INDIO POLICE, THE FIRE, THEY'RE ALL PART OF THIS COMMUNITY AS THE COMMUNITY IS PART OF THEM, AND TO REALLY ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY AS PART OF THIS CAMPUS, SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
>> I'VE GOT A LOT OF -- I THINK FINGER OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE INCORPORATING COMMUNITY AND REALLY TURNING THIS INTO A COMMUNITY-OWNED AREA, RIGHT? BECAUSE I THINK MORE THAN ANYTHING THIS IS TO THE SERVICE OF THIS COMMUNITY, AND THE COMMUNITY SHOULD FEEL PROUD, AND AS A COMMUNITY SHOULD FEEL SEEN AND CULTURE SHOULD BE INTEGRATED INTO ALL OF THIS, AND I THINK THIS IS HOW WE SORT OF MEND SOME OF THOSE UNFORTUNATE DIVIDES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BETWEEN THE SERVICES THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED AND THE COMMUNITY THAT IS BEING SERVICED.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY A GOOD DIRECTION TO TAKE.
I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO LEAVE THAT SECOND PHASE FOR A DIFFERENT DESIGN REVIEW BECAUSE I THINK THAT OPENS UP A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S SO MUCH FURTHER DOWN THE LINE.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW THE NEEDS ARE GOING TO BE CHANGING, AND EVEN THE RATE OF EXPANSION, WE HAVE PROTECTION, BUT I MEAN, THE LAST 15, 20 YEARS HAVE TAUGHT US ANYTHING, RIGHT? AND SO I THINK JUST AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE, I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY BRING IN THE COMMUNITY INTO THIS ENTIRE PROCESS, FIGURING OUT HOW WE ARE PROVIDING A SPACE THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN FEEL AS THEIR OWN BUT ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR INTERACTION BECAUSE THERE SHOULDN'T BE A DIVIDE BETWEEN THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE OUT THERE PROTECTING US AND KEEPING US SAFE AND THE COMMUNITY THAT IS RELYING ON THEM.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CEJA RODRIGUEZ CEJA.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
MR. SNYDER, MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS FOR ME.
THIS IS BEING BROUGHT TO US AS A DESIGN REVIEW OF THE ENTIRE THING EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT REALLY DESIGNING THE BUILDING THAT GOES, YOU KNOW, IN PHASE 2, SO CAN THIS BE APPROVED IN TWO PIECES? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD EVEN CONSIDER?
I MEAN, THE COMMISSION, IF YOU FELT THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO REQUIRE THE SECOND PHASE TO COME BACK AT A FUTURE DATE, YOU COULD REQUIRE THAT TO ALLOW FOR SUFFICIENT INFORMATION, SO THAT'S NOT UNREASONABLE, IN MY OPINION, AT LEAST, TO ASK FOR THAT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
THE APPLICANT MAY ARE MY NOT AGREE WITH THAT AND YOU MAY WANT TO GET THEIR THOUGHTS ON THAT BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY FINAL DECISION.
YES, I THINK IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE BASED ON THE LEVEL OF INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU AT THIS TIME.
SO CHAIRPERSON LOPEZ, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING BACK UP SO THAT WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT THAT QUESTION.
THERE MIGHT BE THINGS WE ARE NOT AWARE OF, AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A DECISION ON DIVIDING THIS UP INTO TWO ITEMS AND HAVE CONSEQUENCES, UNANTICIPATED CONSEQUENCES.
>> SO STEPHANIE, I CAN GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? Y.
>> WHY AS A CHAIR YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HOSPITAL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I GUESS MY QUESTION THEN WOULD BE TO THE APPLICANT.
MR. TRUJILLO, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS THAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE ABOUT PHASE 1 VERSUS PHASE 2 AND THE NEED FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND POSSIBLY PUBLIC ART.
AT THE SAME TIME, I UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY EMPLOYEES AND THEIR SAFETY AND THEIR NEEDS TO DO THEIR JOBS.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE IDEA OF DIVIDING OF COURSE
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THIS UP INTO TWO SECTIONS.>> NO, THERE ARE NO CONCERNS WITH BRINGING BACK PHASE 2 AT A LATER DATE FOR FURTHER REVIEW.
MATT, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? YOU KNOW, THE MERE FACT THAT THIS IS SO FAR DOWN THE ROAD IN TERMS OF PHASE 2, THAT IS
WHY I LEAN TOWARD MAKING THAT ASSESSMENT, SO -- >> YES.
WE SEE IT SIMILARLY, THAT THERE'S NO CHALLENGES, THAT PHASE 1 HAS BEEN DESIGNED AROUND THE EXISTING BUILDING.
WHAT I DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, AND SO THIS IS JUST A, I GUESS, A QUESTION AT LARGE, THE THOUGHT WOULD PHASE 2 GENERALLY SPEAKING WOULD BE TO GET THE APPROVAL UNDER THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT A FUTURE POLICE FACILITY COULD BE LOCATED ON THE SITE AND IF IT'S POSSIBLE FOR THE APPLICANTS/CITY IN THIS INSTANCE TO CLEAR THAT PORTION OF THE HURRIEDLY, THAT A PD IS ACCEPTABLE ON THE SITE, THEN CERTAINLY THE DESIGN REVIEW OF THAT COMING BACK AT THAT PHASE WOULD BE COMPLETELY ACCEPTABLE TO ALL PARTIES HERE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE VARIABLES.
I, TOO, SENSE HERE, MR. TRUJILLO AND COMMISSION, I THINK PHASE 2 CERTAINLY ALONG JACKSON IS THE MOST ENGAGING OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE HEARD HERE TODAY BETWEEN PUBLIC ART, PUBLIC SPACE, AND CERTAINLY THE VARIABLES OF THE SIZE OF THAT FACILITY AT A FUTURE DATE COULD CREATE GREATER OPPORTUNITY BASED ON THE PARKING REDUCTION AND SO FORTH, SO I THINK PHASE 1, THERE ARE CERTAINLY OPPORTUNITIES TO ENGAGE THE ART COMMISSION AND SEE SOME OF THAT HAPPEN, BUT I THINK THE PHASE 1 IS A LITTLE MORE MITIGATED IN THAT REGARD, WHEREAS PHASE 2 HAS ALL THE POTENTIAL IN THE WORLD TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, AND IS THE PORTION THAT IS FRONTING JACKSON STREET.
SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF SYNERGY KIND OF AROUND THAT PHASE 2 AND BRINGING IT BACK FORTH WITH ALL OF THOSE FACTORS BEING RESPONDED TO MORE APPROPRIATELY AT THAT TIME.
>> IF I COULD, CHAIR AND COMMISSION, JUST TO CLARIFY, MY COMMENTS TO COMMISSIONER FRANZ WERE SPECIFIC TO THE DESIGN REVIEW FROM THE COMMISSION IS BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER THE LAND USES IN FULL THIS EVENING, SO THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN MY OPINION THAN THE DESIGN REVIEW.
MY APOLOGIES IF I WASN'T CLEAR ENOUGH.
AND THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTION.
I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP CLARIFY THINGS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THANK YOU, CHAIRPERSON LOPEZ, FOR ALLOWING ME TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FRANZ.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE WOULD NEED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN BEFORE DELIBERATIONS CAN START BACK UP AGAIN.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO DO THAT.
SO IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M GOING TO GO AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> AND, CHAIR, CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF THE COMMISSION, IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE? I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE IID EASEMENT AREA.
ONE OPPORTUNITY, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE IT, RECOGNIZING THAT THERE ARE SOME VARIABLES THAT WE DON'T KNOW FULLY YET IN TERMS OF WHAT THE IMPERIAL IRRIGATION DISTRICT, THEIR ABILITY TO WORK ON THAT IS THAT YOU COULD FASHION A CONDITION AND YOU ARE SO INCLINED AND FEEL COMFORTABLE, THAT WOULD ENTRUST MY POSITION TO WORK TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY ALONG WITH THE APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE TO COME UP WITH AN APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE TO A REASONABLE APPROACH OF ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION'S CONCERNS.
MY CONCERN ABOUT DELAYING YOUR CONSIDERATION IS WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE TO CONNECT WITH IMPERIAL IRRIGATION DISTRICT AND WE DON'T KNOW THE OUTCOME OF THAT CONVERSATION.
SO IF YOU'RE INCLINED TO CONSIDER THAT AND YOU'RE WILLING TO -- AND YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH ENTRUSTING THAT TO MY POSITION, THEN THAT MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN.
>> I GUESS I JUST HAVE A QUESTION TO THAT, MR. TRUJILLO.
YOU WERE SAYING THAT THERE ARE POTENTIAL FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES DOWN THE LINE.
I MEAN, HOW MUCH MORE IF WE WERE TO STALL BY ANY -- ARE WE SO CLOSE THAT WE WOULD MISS ANY OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES IF WE DON'T HAVE A SHOVEL-READY PROJECT IN THE NEXT X AMOUNT OF TIME.
>> GREAT EXCEPT THE REALITY AT THIS POINT IS WE'RE NOT SURE OF THE FUNDING
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MECHANISM, WHETHER IT'S A GRANT, A BOND MEASURE, YOU KNOW, CURRENT CASH FLOW ON HAND, SO TO SPEAK TO GRANT WRITING IN THE FUTURE -- DOES THAT HINDER US WITH GRANT WRITING IN THE FUTURE, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY, WOULD LEAN TOWARD NO.I THINK THAT THE PARAMETERS ARE SUCH THAT.
WE COULD STILL APPLY AND BE DEEMED ELIGIBLE NOR THAT GRANT FUNDING.
>> I APOLOGIZE FOR THE BELATED INTERRUPTION.
BUT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A PUBLIC HEARING WOULD HAVE TO REOPEN, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE CHAIR.
>> SORRY FOR THE FORMALITY OF THE PROCEDURES.
UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE WOULD CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN.
IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING?
>> I JUST WANT TO ADD, IF I MAY, ONE COMMENT, WHICH IS UNDERGROUNDING THOSE POWER POLES ON THE NORTHERN PROPERTY, THE BEST WAY TO DO IT, SO I WANT THE COMMISSION TO UNDERSTAND THE MAGNITUDE, THE BEST WAY TO DO IT IS TO BRING THESE LINES IN FRONT OF THE HOMES ON THE STREET SIDE, SO THAT WILL BE WILL BASICALLY CLEAR THIS PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO CLEAR IT TO THE CAMPUS WHICH IS JUST BRINGING ALL THESE POWER LINES INTO THE STREET AND DIGGING THE STREET AND SIDEWALK AND GO THROUGH THAT EXERCISE.
SO I JUST WANTED THE COMMISSION TO UNDERSTAND.
IT'S JUST NOT UNDERGROUNDING HERE ON THE NORTH BOUNDARY.
THE PROPER WAY IS TO UNDERGROUND IT ON THE STREET SIDE IN FRONT OF THE HOMES, SIMILAR TO THE OTHER AREAS WITHIN THIS VICINITY.
SO THAT'S WHY IT REQUIRES A LOT OF FINDING, A LOT OF COOPERATION AND COORDINATION, SO THAT'S WHY, WHEN DIRECTOR SNYDER SAYS WE CAN'T REALLY HAVE THE TIMELINE OR WE CAN'T ADD A CONDITION TO SHOW THE CITY'S EFFORTS, THOSE ARE THE REASONS BEHIND IT.
>> MAYBE -- I WANT TO ASK A QUICK QUESTION.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UNDERGROUNDING THE UTILITY.
DO WE ALSO -- DO WE HAVE OUR, AS FAR AS A BROADBAND, HAS THAT BEEN UPGRADED? ARE THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, HAVE THEY -- HAVE WE DONE ANY UPGRADES TO LIKE OUR WIRELESS AND -- OR OUR -- LIKE A VERIZON OR OUR CABLE WIRES THAT KIND OF GO UNDER, INTO THE GROUND WITH OUR UTILITY?
>> SO, CHAIR, I CAN RESPOND TO THAT.
WHERE WE CAN WITH CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, WE DO ATTEMPT TO LAY -- WORK WITH THE PROVIDERS, THE VERIZONS, THE FRONTIER WAS THE BROADBAND PROVIDERS OF THE WORLD TO PUT CONDUIT FOR THE FUTURE, BUT THE CITY ITSELF DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A BROADBAND OR FIBER MASTER PLAN.
WE ACTUALLY WERE GOING TO PURSUE THAT, BUT THAT PESKY LITTLE PANDEMIC HIT AND KIND OF PUT THAT ON HOLD.
SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO TRY TO DO WITH CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
HOPEFULLY AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE THE CITY WILL HAVE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHERE WE CAN ADDRESS THIS AND INCORPORATE THIS INTO PROJECTS.
NOW, SPECIFIC TO THIS PROJECT, CERTAINLY THIS PROJECT, LIKE MOST PROJECTS OF THIS NATURE, COMMERCIAL OR PUBLIC FACILITY, WILL BE INCORPORATING BROADBAND INTO THE OVERALL DESIGN, AND THAT WILL BE PROVIDED VIA THE MOST ACCESSIBLE ROUTE, WHICH I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S JACKSON TO CARRY ON THOSE.
BOUT BROADER SCALE THE CITY HAS MORE WORK TO DO ON THE OLD BROADBAND MASTER PLANNING FOR OUR TOTAL CITY.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, AS WE ARE BUILDING OUT AND/OR WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BROADBAND OR PUTTING OUR ELECTRIC UNDERGROUND, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE COMMUNITIES, I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE FORGOTTEN AS WE ARE IMPROVING SOME OF THESE BRAND NEW CAMPUS WHERE WE ALSO HAVE THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE HAVE -- IF WE ARE DOING SOME UNDERGROUND OR INFRASTRUCTURE WORK, SOMEHOW WORKING WITH OUR PUBLIC UTILITIES AND OUR CABLE COMPANIES TO MAKE SURE EVER
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SURE THAT THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE ALSO WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO UPGRADE AS WELL.I THINK WE AS STAFF HAVE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR AND WE'LL SHARE THAT WITH THE FOLKS THAT ARE DOING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT PLANNING, BUT LIKE I SAID, I THINK YOUR SENTIMENTS ARE EXACTLY THAT STAFF HOPES TO ACHIEVE AT SOME POINT WITH THAT FIBER MASTER PLAN OR BROADBAND MASTER PLANNING EFFORT FOR THE CITY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL AREAS OF THE CITY HAVE EQUITABLE ACCESS AS WELL AS THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE LEVEL OF TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE TO THEM.
>> IF I COULD ALSO, CHAIR, IF I COULD HAVE ONE MORE SECOND.
IN MY SUGGESTION, I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED SOMETHING I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST.
IF THE COMMISSION DOES WANT TO ENTERTAIN MY SUGGESTION FOR ENTRUSTING MY POSITION WITH THE AUTHORITY, I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND THAT YOU ASK MY POSITION TO REPORT BACK ON THOSE EFFORTS WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING TO REPORT.
LIKE I SAID, IT COULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND COORDINATION AND COMMUNICATIONS WITH OUR FRIENDS AT IMPERIAL IRRIGATION DISTRICT IN DETERMINING THE BEST APPROACH AND WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT BUT WE WOULD WANT TO REPORT BACK ON THE PROGRESS ON THAT AND ALSO THE RESOLUTION IF ITS COMMISSION IS INTERESTED IN ENTERTAINING THAT SUGGESTED CONDITION.
>> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR SNYDER.
COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU WANT -- DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT?
>> YES, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, GREAT.
>> SO, YEAH, I MEAN, I -- I FEEL COMFORTABLE IN A PROOFING BE THE LAND USE AND THE PHASE 1 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW AND HAVING PHASE 1 COME BACK TO US, ESPECIALLY ADDING THE NEED FOR THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND MAYBE SOME IDEAS OF PUBLIC ART ON THAT PHASE 1, AND I FEEL COMFORTABLE GIVING THE AUTHORITY TO DIRECTOR SNYDER AND HIS POSITION TO LOOK INTO WHAT OPTIONS WE CAN DEAL WITH THOSE POWER LINES.
I ALSO KNOW THAT THAT CAN BE A VERY LONG PROCESS WHEN YOU DEAL WITH UTILITIES, SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK HIM TO COME BACK AND LET US KNOW HOW THAT IS GOING.
I HOPE MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS ARE IN AGREEMENTS OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
PHASE 2, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO COME BACK AS A DESIGN REVIEW.
WHERE I MAY DIFFER FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND S.
WHAT WE DO WITH THAT NORTHERN PROPERTY AREA AND HOW WE ADDRESS IID.
WHAT WE DO WITH IT IF IT WAS ANY OTHER APPLICANT OTHER THAN THE CITY ITSELF? WE WOULD WANT TO KNOW THE INFORMATION BEFORE WE ACTUALLY APPROVE THIS.
I'VE SEEN THE COMMISSION GRANT THE DIRECTOR AUTHORITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH VARIOUS THINGS, AND I'M NOT SURE -- AND, YOU KNOW, I ABSOLUTELY TRUST KEVIN TO GO DO THIS, BUT STATEMENT WE DID THE SAME THING WITH THE PREVIOUS DIRECTOR IN LES JOHNSON AND HE IS NO LONGER HERE, AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS? AND SO I'M WORRIED ABOUT HOW THAT MAY PROGRESS, GIVEN THAT THIS IS A MULTI-YEAR, POTENTIALLY A DECADE LONG PROCESS WHEN IT COMES TO PHASE 2.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO AT LEAST THE PHASE 1, WHICH I AM ONBOARD WITH, I WORRY THAT NOTHING -- THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE DOESN'T GET ADDRESSED IN PHASE 1, AND THAT AGAIN HOLDS UP PHASE 2 AND WE JUST TO HAVE SETTLE FOR IT BECAUSE THERE WASN'T AN AGREEMENT ON PHASE 1, WHAT WE DO WITH THAT NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
I AGREE ABSOLUTES WITH PHASE 2 COMING BACK AS A DESIGN REVIEW.
I'M HESITANT ABOUT NOT ADDRESSING THE FULL SITE, PARTICULARLY THAT NORTHERN PROPERTY EDGE, AND HOW WE ADDRESS THAT NOW, AND I'D LIKE MORE INFORMATION, WHAT HAS THE CITY DOWN TO ENGAGE IID NOW OTHER THAN WHEN WE MET LAST TIME AND JUST SAY, WELL, THIS IS AN IID EASEMENT.
WE'RE JUST NOT SURE WHAT TO DO WITH IT AT THIS POINT.
SO MY PREFERENCE IS LET'S FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THAT, HOW THEY CAN ADDRESS THAT, BECAUSE A LOT OF THIS IS CITY-OWNED FACILITIES AND WE SEE ABOVE GROUND UTILITIES NOW RUNNING UP AND DOWN JACKSON, AND FROM THIS CAMPUS TO THE SCHOOL SITE ON BY 111, THIS IS ALL CITY-CONTROLLED PROPERTY, AND THIS IS ALL POWER LINES THAT ARE ABOVE GROUND, AND WHEN WE LOOK AS THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT, WE TRY TO GET LINES UNDERGROUND, AND THAT CAME BACK AND WE SAID, WELL, WE CAN'T DO IT THEN.
SO I THINK UNDERGROUNDING IS AN IMPORTANT THING.
THIS IS A WAY TO IMPROVE THE ENTIRE AREA.
LET'S LOOK AT THAT NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE SOME MORE.
>> IF I COULD, JUST TO RESPOND TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS, FIRST OF ALL, I HOPE WE'RE DONE IN TEN YEARS.
HOPEFULLY YOU DON'TS KNOW SOMETHING I DON'T.
BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, THE COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS ARE WELL TAKEN.
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ANOTHER OPTION FOR THE COMMISSION SIMILAR TO THE PHASE 2 IS TO REQUIRE THAT STAFF GO AND DETERMINE -- WORK WITH IID ON THE RESOLUTION AND BRING IT BACK FOR LIMITED DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL ARE ALONG THAT AREA.SO YOU COULD RESERVE THE RIGHT AS PART OF YOUR DECISION MAKING THIS EVENING TO REVIEW THE ONE OR HOWEVER MANY ALTERNATIVES FOR THAT AREA, AND THEN MAKE A FINAL DECISION IN A LIMITED CONSIDERATION EFFORTS.
>> MAY WE APPOINT PERHAPS LIKE A COMMISSIONER TO ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS OR IS THAT NOT FEASIBLE?
>> MADAME CHAIR, MAY I ASK SOMETHING? IT MAY CLARIFY ALL THESE QUESTIONS.
THERE IS A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL THAT IS ADDED TO THE RESOLUTION FOR TONIGHT.
IS THAT THIS PUBLIC DOCUMENT EASEMENTS OVER ALL PRIVATE AND PUBLIC ROADS, WHICH IS THE CASE HERE, NEEDS AN ADDITIONAL 10 FEET IN WHICH ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PRIVATE AND PUBLIC ROADS HAVE BEEN DEDICATED TO IID FOR CONCEPTION 1 OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO THERE IS AN EXISTING EASEMENTS, IID REQUIRES ANOTHER 10, SO THERE WILL BE 5 FEET, SO YOU STILL WILL HAVE AN 18-FOOT AREA FOR IID'S ACCESS WHICH WILL BE THEIR PROPERTY, SO WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
THERE'S A 5 FEET REMAINING THAT IF THIS IS THE CASE, AND IF THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT, THAT 5 FEET ADDITIONAL COULD BE ADDED TO THE CAMPUS.
BUT THAT 18 FEET, PER THIS CONDITION, IT STILL NEEDS TO BE IN CONTROL BY THE IID.
>> AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE WOULD HAVE THAT FROM THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE THROUGH THE LANDSCAPE AND DRIVE-THROUGH AREA.
>> THROUGHOUT ANY EASEMENT, ANY PRIVATE OR PUBLIC ROAD.
SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, AS I SAID, THAT 5 FEET COULD BE WORKING WITH IID DURING OUR PLAN CHECKS TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE PART OF THE CAMPUS, BUT THAT 18 FEET WILL STAY AS IID'S EASEMENT OR ACCESS POINT.
>> ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER CEJA'S CONCERNS, AND WE'VE ALL BEEN VERY ACTIVE ABOUT WANTING TO UNDERGROUND WHERE WE CAN, IMPROVING THE OVERALL, YOU KNOW, LOOK OF THE CITY, AND THAT'S A BIG ONE.
UNDERGROUNDING POWER LINES MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
IS THERE A WAY TO, IF COMMISSIONERS ARE COMFORTABLE, TO MAYBE ADD THAT AS PART OF WHAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE GO BACK AND APPROVE THE DESIGN REVIEW FOR PHASE 2 SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH PHASE 1 BUT NOT, NOT LET THAT GO COMPLETELY.
WE WANT TO -- WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT TAKEN CARE OF IF IT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE TO DO.
WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE IS WE HOLD UP PHASE 1 ON SOMETHING THAT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH IID, IT COULD BE A DECADE, YOU KNOW, OR MORE, AND I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PHASE 1.
SO ANY COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER CEJA, OR MR. RODRIGUEZ CEJA?
>> YOU KNOW, GIVEN WHAT THE DIRECTOR HAS SAID, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE COMMISSIONERS FEEL ABOUT THIS, BUT I THINK THERE IS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN PHASE 1 AND PHASE 2, WHAT IS READY, SHOVEL READY ESSENTIALLY AND WHAT ISN'T YET.
I THINK IF WE CAN INCLUDE THAT EASEMENT AREA, THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE, HOWEVER WE WANT TO DESCRIBE IT, EVERYTHING NORTH OF THAT DRIVEWAY AGAINST THE RESIDENCES AS PART OF PHASE 2, THAT MAY BE OUR OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THAT AND GIVE STAFF AND THE CITY SUFFICIENT TIME TO WORK WITH IID ABOUT AN UNDERGROUNDING PROGRAM.
WHAT I WANT, WHAT I WANT TO GET THE POINT ACROSS IS I'M NOT SURE LEAVING THAT AS A DOUBLE WALL AREA, MAYBE 10 FEET WIDE WHERE KIDS AND THERE'S NO EYES ON THE SITE, EVEN TODAY WE HEARD THAT COMMENT, THERE'S NO EYES THERE NOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE CONDITION.
I DON'T THINK WE WOULD ALLOW ANOTHER APPLICANT TO GET AWAY WITH THAT.
I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT.
I COULD SAY THAT COULD BE PART OF PHASE 2 AS LONG AS THERE'S IT'S LOOK AT THIS, AND THAT STAFF IS WORKING TOWARDS THAT END.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE.
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>> IF I CAN SPEAK FOR STAFF, STAFF WILL BE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE COMMISSIONER'S RECOMMENDATION.
I APPRECIATE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS ANOTHER ENTITY THAT WE CAN ENGAGE WITH BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE CONTROL OVER, AND SO WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CONVERSATION THAT MAY BE LABORIOUS, IT MAY NOT BE, WE DON'T KNOW, BUT A FUTURE DESIGN OPPORTUNITY, THIS COULD MIRROR, SO IF THE COMMISSION IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, STAFF WILL -- WE WILL WORK TO THE BEST OF AWE OUR ABILITIES TO ENGAGE WITH IMPERIAL IRRIGATION DISTRICT AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO BRING THAT BACK IN YOUR FUTURE CONSIDERATION WITH HOPEFULLY SOMETHING THAT ADDRESSES THE COMMISSION'S THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS.
>> WOULD THERE STILL BE A REPORT BACK IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS FROM NOW TO WHEN WE ACTUALLY GET TO DO THE DESIGN REVIEW FOR PHASE 2? I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US DEFINED STAY AFLOAT OF THE WAY THAT THE CONVERSATIONS ARE GOING EVEN PRIOR TO US SEEING A FULLY DEVELOPED PLAN.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO REPORT TO THE COMMISSION.
IT MAY NOT BE A LOT FOR A WHILE BECAUSE WE MAY TAKE A WHILE TO GET A MEETING SET UP, BUT ONCE WE GET THROUGH A SUBSTANTIVE CONVERSATION AND I HAVE A REPORT, OTHER THAN WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHOLD OF THEM, THEN I'LL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT UPDATE TO THE COMMISSION TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE EFFORTS THAT WE'RE UNDERTAKING AND THE ITERATIVE RESULT OF THOSE EFFORTS.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION?
>> CAN WE MAYBE GET SOME HELP ON HOW WE -- WHEN WE NEED TO CHANGE IN THE MOTION TO, YOU KNOW, BRING BACK THE PHASE 2, JUST THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW AND THE UNDERGROUNDING ISSUE THAT WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE MAKE A RESOLUTION, THAT THE RIGHT INFORMATION GOES ON THE RIGHT RESOLUTION.
>> I'M GOING TO TRY TO BEST CAPTURE WHAT I THINK IS THE INTENT OF COMMISSION.
I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT SOME HELP FROM DIRECTOR SNYDER IF I'M MISRETTING HOW TO PHRASE IT.
BUT I THINK WHAT THE COMMISSION COULD DO IF IT'S SO INCLINED IS MOVE TO ADOPT THOSE THREE RESOLUTIONS UNDER THE RECOMMENDATION SECTION, AND THEN AT THE END ADD IN "SUBJECT FOR THE CONDITION OF THE EASEMENT OR THE NORTHERN LINE PART OF THE PROJECT AND DESIGN ASPECTS OR PHASE 2 WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DESIGN REVIEW AT A FUTURE TIME." AND I ALSO HEARD SOMEBODY MENTION THAT YOU MAY ALSO WANT TO CONDITION THAT THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WORKS WITH THE APPLICANT TO COME UP WITH A REASONABLE APPROACH TO TALK TO THE IMPERIAL IRRIGATION DISTRICT REGARDING UNDERGROUNDING THOSE POWER LINES.
SO PERHAPS WAY TO CAPTURE THOSE THINGS IS TO MOVE TO RECOMMEND THOSE THREE REST RESOLUTIONS AND AT THE END SUBJECT IT TO THOSE TWO ITEMS THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT.
>> AND THE ONLY THING I WOULD WANT TO ADD IS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR THAT THE COMMISSION'S CONSENSUS WAS THAT THE CONSIDERATION OF PHASE 2 AND THE DESIGN FOR THE IID EASEMENTS AREA ALTERNATIVE, JUST FOR THE SAKE CONVENIENCE, WOULD BE PART OF A FUTURE SEPARATE DESIGN REVIEW CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMISSION WHICH I THINK ROLLS INTO WHAT THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY WAS SAYING, SO IS THAT HELPFUL TO THE COMMISSION? WOULD YOU LIKE US TO RESTATE IT?
>> NO, IT'S HELPFUL FOR ME ANYWAY.
I THINK WE HAVE A WAY TO PROCEED, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, SO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I WANT TO GO BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION, THIS FACILITY IS SORELY NEEDED IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE SEEN THIS FIRE STATION AND POLICE STATION SINCE BEFORE I WAS BORN.
IT NEEDS TO BE UNDATED AND REALLY SERVICE THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS WHY THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT TOPIC FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WHY WE SPENT SO MUCH TIME DELIBERATING IT.
BUT I THINK WITH THE CONVERSATION WE HAVE HAD WITH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT, I'M READY TO PROCEED WITH THE MOTION.
THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT RESOLUTION 1985, ADOPTING THE MND AND MITIGATION MONITORING REPORT FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY
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CAMPUS.>> ARE WE GOING TO DO THEM ALL AS ONE, ERIC?
>> I THINK, IN CONSULTATION WITH MAYBE THE CITY ATTORNEY, I THINK WE CAN ADOPT EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY, AND THEN WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO 1983 IS WHERE WE MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN PHASE 1 AND PHASE 2.
>> THAT WORKS, ALSO, JUST IN THE EVENT THAT CERTAIN COMMISSIONERS WANT TO VOTE DIFFERENT WAYS PER RESOLUTION.
>> CHAIRPERSON JACQUELINE LOPEZ.
>> COMMISSIONER CHRISTIAN RODRIGUEZ CEJA.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION 1984, APPROVING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC SERVICE FACILITY SAFETY CAMPUS.
>> CHAIRPERSON JACQUELINE LOPEZ.
>> COMMISSIONER CHRISTIAN RODRIGUEZ CEJA.
>> AND COMMISSIONER GLORIA FRANZ.
>> THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT RESOLUTION 1983 APPROVING, CONDITIONALLY APPROVING PHASE 1 OF THE DESIGN REVIEW FOR THE SITE AND CONDITIONING THAT PHASE 2 COME BANG FOR A SEPARATE DESIGN REVIEW TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, INCLUSIVE OF THE NORTHERN PROPERTY AREA AND THE IID EASEMENT, ALSO INCLUSIVE OF ADDRESSING THE JACKSON STREET FRONTAGE AND PUBLIC SPACE.
>> CHAIRPERSON JACQUELINE LOPEZ.
>> COMMISSIONER CHRISTIAN RODRIGUEZ CEJA.
>> AND COMMISSIONER GLORIA FRANZ.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO ALL STAFF THAT STUCK AROUND.
I THINK WE'RE GOING ON 8:30 RIGHT NOW.
SO WITH THAT, I THINK WE'LL HEAD OVER TO ACTION ITEMS WHICH ARE NONE.
AND STUDY SESSION ITEMS, NONE.
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STAFF ITEMS?>> VERY QUICKLY, I JUST HAVE TWO QUICK ITEMS AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO LEILA.
FIRST, I JUST WANTED TO REPORT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
I THINK SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE PARTICIPATED THAT WE HELD OUR FIRST COMMUNITY MEETING FOR THE HOUSING COMMUNITY UPDATE ON FEBRUARY 18TH.
WE HAD 31 ATTENDEES UNLESS THE ZOOM WEBINAR FORMAT, AND AS OF THIS EVENING WE HAVE HAD 587 FACEBOOK LIVE VIEWS.
WE DID DO A CITYWIDE POSTCARD MAILING, SOCIAL MEDIA WEBSITE.
CERTAINLY WE WERE APPRECIATIVE OF EVERYONE THAT PARTICIPATED OR VIEWED.
WE HOPE THAT WE WILL GET MORE PEOPLE PARTICIPATING THIS.
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC, AND SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK TO GET MORE PEOPLE PARTICIPATING.
IN THAT VEIN, TOMORROW WE WILL BE STARTING LAUNCHING OUR COMMUNITY SURVEY FOR THE HOUSING ELEMENT UPDATE.
THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE HOUSING ELEMENT UPDATE WEBSITE THAT'S ON THE CITY WEB PAGE.
HOUSING ELEMENT UPDATE IS ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
AND THAT'LL BE OPEN UNTIL APRIL 12TH.
WE ENCOURAGE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO FILL IT OUT AND WE ALSO ENCOURAGE TO YOU SHARE THE NEWS THAT WE'RE SEEKING COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
THERE'S 19 QUESTIONS PLUS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENT.
SHOULDN'T TAKE TOO LONG, AND WE REALLY WANT PEOPLE TO SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS WITH US.
AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH VERY BRIEFLY, TONIGHT THE COMMISSION TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE AREA SURROUNDING THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEX, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED IN THE GENERAL PLAN, AND THIS IS A TOPIC THAT I KNOW THAT LEILA AND I TALK A LOT ABOUT IN TERMS OF PROFESSIONAL CONVERSATION.
RECENTLY, YOU KNOW, CITY DID DO THE TRANSFORMATIVE CLIMATE COMMUNITIES PLANNING PROCESS FOR THREE AREAS OF OUR CITY THAT WERE DESIGNATED BY STATE GUIDELINES AS DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES, AND THAT BASS WAS FUNDED BY THE STATE SO IT DIDN'T COST THE CITY MONEY, BUT GREAT THING ABOUT THAT IS THE TAKEAWAYS FROM THAT I THINK ARE APPLICABLE TO OTHER COMMUNITIES AND IT FOCUSED ON ISSUES OF HOUSING, COMMUNITY INFRASTRUCTURE, AND URBAN GREENING, SO SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, PERHAPS MORE THAN SOME, COULD BE POTENTIALLY APPLIED TO OTHER AREAS OF OUR CITY JUST LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING.
SO I THINK LEILA AND I, WHEN WE HAVE A COUPLE SPARE MOMENTS, MAYBE WE CAN SIT DOWN AND BRAINSTORM WITH B.
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THAT AND COME BACK IT'S A LATER TIME AND TALK MORE WITH YOU AND THE COMMISSION AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS ABOUT DIFFERENT IDEAS OF HOW THAT MIGHT A APPLY IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING THE CAMPUS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS EVENING.SO WITH THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO LEILA UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME.
[12. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS]
>> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.
>> I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU, MR. SNYDER, FOR TAKING THAT AND TURNING THAT INTO A CONVERSATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE.
AND I THINK THAT IT WILL ALSO OPEN UP SAGD MIGHT HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR THINKING ABOUT CARBON SEQUESTRATION, TALKING ABOUT AIR QUALITY MITIGATION, AND SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO ALSO BE ABLE TO PULL IN SOME FUNDING FOR THESE THINGS AS WE'RE SEEING HOW THE TRANSFORMATIVE CLIMATE SUGGESTION CAN BE APPLIED TO OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR UPLIFTING THAT AND TO E.
I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ CEJA.
COMMISSIONER FRANZ, BEFORE I MAKE MY FEW COMMENTS HERE, AND I DO NOT WANT TO TAKE TOO MUCH TIME, BUT THANK YOU, DIRECTOR SNYDER.
I JUST -- WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE SPANISH COMMUNITIES, IT'S REALLY HARD FOR ME TO THINK OF THAT AREA AS DISADVANTAGED, MAYBE JUST NOT REINVESTMENT WITH THE CITY AND SEEING THAT AREA KIND OF IGNORED.
I DISAGREE WITH YOU WITH THE CURRENT LEADERSHIP, BUT GROWING UP IN THAT AREA THERE, I JUST FEEL THAT SOMETIMES PRIORITIES, I JUST DON'T WANT THAT, THAT PART OF INDIO AND SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE LIVED THERE 30, 40 PLUS YEARS TO BE FORGOTTEN, AND SO WE TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE, WHETHER IT BE UNDERGROUND, UTILITY OR BROADBAND.
I KNOW WITH THE NEW CHANGE IN THE ADMINISTRATION AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING.
I'M HAPPY TO LOOK INTO THAT AND FORWARD THAT ON TO YOU.
BUT HONESTLY I JUST WANTED TO ALSO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE LEAD AND MEETING WITH IID.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THEM AT THE TABLE AS WE MOVE OUR CITY FORWARD.
SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, AND I.
AGAIN I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL THE COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT, AND IF THERE'S NOT ANY OTHER COMMENTS, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.
>> CHAIR, CAN SAY ONE THING? MY APOLOGIES.
WHEN I USE THE TERM DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES, THAT'S A TECHNICAL TERM FROM THE STATE THAT MADE US ELIGIBLE FOR FUNDING FOR THE THREE CENSUS TRACTS THAT WERE THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND JEWEL COMMUNITY FOR THE TRANSFORMATIVE PLANS.
I DID NOT MEAN IN ANY WAY REFERRING TO ANY COMMUNITIES.
THAT I WAS TECHNICAL TERM THAT THE STATE USES TO GIVE US FUNDS.
>> I REMEMBER BECAUSE I WAS PART OF THAT CHANGE, OF CHANGING THAT LANGUAGE, BUT IT'S HARD FOR ME, COMING FROM -- SEEING THAT, I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT THAT, BUT THANK YOU.
IF EVERYTHING'S GOOD, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.