8.2 40th Avenue Properties – Tentative Parcel Map No. 37826 (TPM 20-11-409) (Continued from April 14, 2021):

[8.1 Church at the Red Door - Environmental Assessment 20-05-548, Specific Plan 20-05-40, Tentative Parcel Map 20-03-403, Conditional Use Permit 20-10-1064 & Design Review 20-05-474 (Continued from February 10, 2021 and April 14, 2021):]

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE APPLICANT.

AT THIS TIME WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HEAR A CONTINUED ITEM 8.3, SEARCH OF THE RED DOOR,

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ENVIRONMENT ASSESSMENT SPECIFIC PLAN, TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND REVIEW AND DESIGN THAT WAS CONTINUED FROM FEBRUARY 10 -- I'M SORRY -- APRIL 14TH TO THIS MEETING ON APRIL 28TH.

LEILA, I BELIEVE THIS IS YOUR REPORT TO GIVE.

>> THAT'S CORRECT, MADAME CHAIRPERSON.

AND LET ME SEE IF I CAN -- AM I STILL IN BUSINESS?

>> IT'S STATING YOU'RE GREEN.

>> I THINK YOU'RE FROZEN, LEILA.

>> YEAH, I AM FROZEN, BUT EVERYTHING MOVED.

OKAY.

IT'S GOOD NOW? AND YOU GUYS HEAR ME AND EVERYTHING IS GOOD? AWESOME.

SO AGAIN GOOD EVENING.

THIS PROJECT BEFORE YOU, AS YOU MENTIONED, CHAIRPERSON LOPEZ, IT IS A CONTINUED ITEM.

THE LAST WAS FROM APRIL 14TH.

THE PROJECT NAME IS CHURCH AT THE RED DOOR.

IT INCLUDES ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, SPECIFIC PLAN, TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AND DESIGN REVIEW.

JUST TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF HOUSE CLEANING TONIGHT, YOU WILL RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS THREE FIRST ENTITLEMENTS WHICH IS ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, THE SPECIFIC PLAN AND TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP.

YOU HAVE, AS PART OF THE REPORT, THE RESOLUTION FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND THE DESIGN REVIEW, HOWEVER, PER THE CITY CODE, IT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO YOU AFTER APPROVAL OF THE SPECIFIC PLAN BY THE COUNCIL.

IN ADDITION, FOR THE APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC PLAN, WE NEED AFFIRMATIVE MAJORITY VOTE, WHICH MEANS AT LEAST THREE VOTES.

SO THE PROJECT GENERALLY IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF JEFFERSON STREET, SOUTH SIDE OF AVENUE 40, RIGHT KIND OF LIKE NORTH OF THE CITRUS PLAZA AND WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL.

GENERAL PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL.

HOWEVER, THE GENERAL PLAN SAYS IN ADDITION TO THE RESIDENTIAL USE, THAT THE CITY CAN HAVE SECONDARY USES ALLOWED WITHIN THIS AREA SUCH AS THE PLACE OF WORSHIP.

THEREFORE, THE APPLICANT IS BEFORE YOU ASKING FOR A SPECIFIC PLAN APPROVAL, WHICH WILL ALLOW A PLACE OF WORSHIP UNDER A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WHICH IS IN LINE WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, CALLING IT A SECONDARY USE.

THIS IS BASICALLY THE TABLE FOR THE USES.

AS YOU SEE HERE, WE HAVE LAND USES ON ONE SIDE, AND ON THE OTHER SIDE WE HAVE PERMANENT --

>> I THINK WE DID.

>> KEVIN, WHY DON'T YOU GET HER.

IN.

>> DO WE WANT TO TAKE A REAL QUICK INTERMISSION BREAK?

>> A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS?

>> YEAH, LET'S TAKE A REAL QUICK FIVE-MINUTE RECESS, IF THAT'S OKAY.

>> SO WE'LL BE BACK ON THE RECORD 6:34?

>> CHAIRPERSON LOPEZ.

>> PRESENT.

>> VICE CHAIRPERSON YSIANO.

>> PRESENT.

>> COMMISSIONER CEJA.

>> PRESENT.

>> COMMISSIONER FRANZ.

>> PRESENT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> EVELYN, I'M SHARING.

YOU CAN SEE THE SCREEN?

>> NO.

WE SEE LIKE FILE EXPLORER.

IF YOU'RE HAVING AN ISSUE WITH IT, I CAN START THE PRESENTATION.

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>> I'M GOING TRY AGAIN.

AND THEN YOU TELL ME IF YOU CAN SEE IT.

>> YES.

>> IS IT GOOD? OKAY.

THANK GOODNESS.

AND FOR SOME REASON I DON'T HAVE A CAMERA, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEE ME ANYWAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO LET ME GO -- SO THE LOCATION IS HERE.

AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE LOCATION.

SO I CAME TO THE USAGE.

AS YOU SEE HERE, THIS IS THE TABLE OF THE USES WHICH SAYS THE LAND USE, LISTS THE LAND USE ON THE LEFT SIDE AND THE RIGHT SIDE YOU HAVE PERMITTED USE, CONDITIONAL USE AND PROHIBITED.

THE SPECIFIC PLAN A PLACE OF WORSHIP WILL REQUIRE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH IS IN LINE WITH WHAT THE GENERAL PLAN SAYS, WHICH THE GENERAL PLAN SAYS WITHIN THIS AREA A PLACE OF WORSHIP CAN BE A SECONDARY USE, WHICH WE INTERPRET AS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

SO IF THE SPECIFIC PLAN GETS APPROVED, AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVES THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THE ANCILLARY USES TO THE CHURCH WILL BE PERMITTED, WHICH MEANS MEETINGS, GIFT SHOP, OFFICES, AND A SINGLE-FAMILY, EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY WHICH WILL REMAIN ON-SITE AND IT WILL BE USED AS SOME TYPE OF ANCILLARY USE TO THE CHURCH.

THE APPLICANT ALSO IS PROVIDING PROHIBITED USES, WHICH IS HOMELESS SHELTERS, SOUP KITCHEN, JOB TRAINING, HOMELESS SERVICES, AND DISTRIBUTION OF FOOD AND DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICE WITH ONE CAVEAT, WHICH IS IF FOOD DISTRIBUTION, DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICES AND OUTDOOR WORSHIP ARE PERMITTED IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY DECLARATION FROM THE LOCAL, COUNTY, STATE OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS.

AND IT ALSO SAYS, ANY USE OF SOUND AMPLIFICATION WILL REQUIRE A TEMPORARY EVENT PERMIT, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS IN A LITTLE BIT.

SO THIS IS AGAIN THE LIST OF PROHIBITED USES.

ACTIVITIES WITH LIVE ANIMALS, SALES OF AUTOMOBILES OR PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOLS BASICALLY ARE NOT PERMITTED.

AS PART OF YOUR REVIEW TONIGHT, YOU ALSO ARE REVIEWING A TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP, WHICH THIS PROPERTY IS ALMOST 13 ACRES, SO THEY'RE DIVIDING IT INTO TWO PARCELS.

PARCEL 1 IS ABOUT 11 ACRES, WHICH INCLUDES THE ENTIRE PARKING AND NEW CONSTRUCTION AND BUILDING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

PARCEL 1 AROUND 1.7 ACRES, WHICH INCLUDES THE EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY.

THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE SITE, WHICH STAFF WANTED TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO IT, WHICH SHOWS AGAIN THE ENTIRE SITE, THE DRIVEWAY FROM AVENUE 49, DRIVEWAY FROM JEFFERSON STREET, AND ALSO IT SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING HOME ON THE SOUTH OF THIS IMAGE ON THE BOTTOM OF THIS IMAGE.

AND AS YOU SEE, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED 35 FEET OR EVEN IN THIS AREA MORE BUFFER BETWEEN WHAT WILL BE BUILT HERE AND THE RESIDENCES, AND THERE IS ALSO A IN THE SPECIFIC PLAN, THIS IS THE SLIDE THAT BASICALLY SAYS AT LEAST 35 FEET OF LANDSCAPE BUFFER SHOULD BE APPLIED TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY.

THIS SHOWS THE PHASING OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH WE WILL GO -- OR THE PROJECT, WHICH WE'LL GO THROUGH IT IN DETAIL IN A LITTLE BIT.

AT THE BUILD-OUT, THE SANCTUARY LEAVE A MAXIMUM OF 965 PERSONS, AND A TOTAL PARKING WILL BE 359.

AND AGAIN, PHASE 1 IS HERE.

PHASE 2, PHASE 3, PHASE 4.

AS PART OF THIS THEY ARE BUILDING ADDITIONAL PARKING AS WELL.

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THIS SHOWS THE OPERATION AM MATRIX OF THE CHURCH.

AS YOU SEE, THEY HAVE ACTIVITIES FROM 6:00 P.M.

-- I'M SORRY, 6:00 A.M.

TO 9:00 A.M.

ON A DAILY BASIS, WHICH INCLUDES WORSHIP, YOUTH, ADVISORY, MEETINGS, AND MANY OTHER ACTIVITIES, WHICH IS BASICALLY DETAILED HERE WITH TIMELINE, DAYS OF THE WEEK, SO IT IS A SEVEN-DAY ACTIVITY WORSHIP CENTER.

ALSO, WE HAVE HERE THE PARKING CALCULATION, WHICH THEY HAVE DONE A PARKING CALCULATION BASED ON THE CITY'S PARKING SCHEDULE.

WE REQUIRE ONE PARKING SLOT PER EACH SEVEN SEATS AND ALSO ONE PARKING STALL PER EACH 35 SQUARE FEET OF THE SANCTUARY AREA.

THAT ONE PER 35 SQUARE FEET IS THE REMAINDER OF THE SANCTUARY AREA THAT SOMEBODY COULD USE BY PUTTING A CHAIR THERE.

AND THEN MEETINGS AND ALSO THE YOUTH CLASSROOMS AND THE OFFICE SPACE.

SO AT THE END OF THE DAY THE USE REQUIRES 233 PARKING.

THEY ARE PROVIDING 236 PARKING.

AND ADDITIONAL PARKING WILL BE PROVIDED, MORE THAN 100 PARKING STALLS WHICH TAKES THE NUMBER TO 253.

SO THE PARKING MEETS AND EXCEEDS THE PARKING SCHEDULE OF THE CITY.

THIS IS PHASE 1.

SO AS YOU SEE HERE, THEY WILL BUILD A SANCTUARY AS PHASE 1.

ALL THE PARKING, ALL LANDSCAPE, STREET IMPROVEMENTS, SIDEWALK, CURB, GUTTER AND EVERYTHING.

THE HOUSE WILL EXIST THERE, AND IT WILL BE USED.

AND THE ADDITIONAL PARKING WON'T BE THERE AS PART OF PHASE 1.

THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE PHASE 1 WHICH SHOWS YOU THE SANCTUARY.

IT SHOWS YOU THE AUDIO/VISUAL SECTION.

IT SHOWS THEY HAVE SOME OUTDOOR SEATING AREA, THE RESTROOM AND ALSO THE HOSPITALITY AREAS OF THE WORSHIP CENTER.

THIS IS PHASE 2.

AS YOU SEE, IT GETS ADDED TO IT TOWARD THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.

AND THE FLOOR PLAN SHOWS THAT YOU THIS WILL BE THE NEXT-GEN CHILDREN AND ALSO ELEMENTARY AGE KIDS THAT THEY WILL USE THIS FACILITY.

AS A SAID, THERE WON'T ANY PUBLIC OR PRIVATE FIVE DAYS OF SCHOOL.

THEY WILL SOME ACTIVITIES FOR THE CHILDREN AND YOUTH AND ELEMENTARY AGE KIDS.

THIS IS BASICALLY PHASE 3, WHICH AGAIN WILL ADD TO THE BUILDING TOWARD THE SOUTH.

AS YOU SEE, THE FACILITY IS SOLAR-READY AND IT WILL BE -- THEY WILL INSTALL SOLAR AT ONE POINT.

AND THEN THIS SECTION AGAIN IS ADMINISTRATION AND OFFICES AND ALSO THE NEXT-GEN OLDER YOUTH AREA FOR THE YOUTH.

WE ARE GOING TO THE PHASE 4, WHICH IT ADDS TO THE SANCTUARY BUILDING NEXT TO IT.

IT WILL ADD ALSO THE 123 STALLS WITHIN THE PHASE 4.

THE ADD-ON TO THE SANCTUARY IS BASICALLY A MULTI-PURPOSE ROOM WHICH WILL NOT BE USED FOR THE SANCTUARY.

THIS SHOWS THE BUILD-OUT WITH ALL THE LANDSCAPE.

AS YOU SEE WATER FEATURE AND ALL THE BUILDINGS THAT THEY ARE A UNIFORM OR UNIFIED CONTINUOUS WALL, ROOF.

THIS GIVES YOU A 3D RENDERING OF WHAT YOU WILL SEE IN PHASE 1, WHICH IS HERE, COMPARED TO THE PHASE 4, WHICH IS HERE.

THE APPLICANT, AS YOU WILL RECALL, THEY ARE PROPOSING THIS ARCHITECTURE MONUMENT IN THE FORM OF A RED CROSS.

THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO HAVE IT AT ABOUT 80 FEET, BUT NOW IT HAS BEEN REDUCED TO 35 FEET.

IT IS IN THE SPECIFIC PLAN.

IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE ZONING, AND THERE IS ALSO A SECTION IN THE SPECIFIC PLAN THAT AT 10:00 P.M.

THEY WILL TURN OFF, IF THERE IS ANY LIGHTING CONNECTED TO THIS ELEMENT.

AGAIN, THE SAME THING.

PHASE 1 COMPARED TO THE PHASE 4 FROM DIFFERENT VIEWS.

AS YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO TO JEFFERSON NORTH, YOU CAN SEE AT PHASE 4 THERE WILL BE MORE BUILDINGS.

PHASE 1, IT WILL BE JUST THE SANCTUARY.

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AND AGAIN, THE ARCHITECTURE ELEMENT IN THE FORM OF A CROSS WHICH GOES -- IT IS KIND OF LIKE IN THIS SLIDE YOU CAN SEE IT BETTER IT.

GOES -- LOOKS LIKE IT GOES THROUGH THE ROOF.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE PART OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING.

THIS IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE CHURCH OR TO THE WORSHIP CENTER, WHICH IS FROM THE PARKING AREA.

THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS.

AS YOU SEE, THE LAST TIME WE HAD SOME BLANK AREA ON JEFFERSON STREET, BUT THEY PULLED ALL THOSE ENHANCEMENTS THROUGHOUT THIS BUILDING, SO FROM EACH AREA YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE ENHANCEMENT ELEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING.

STAFF RECOMMENDS TO APPROVE THE SPECIFIC PLAN WITH TWO AMENDMENTS, ONE, TO ADD A CLARIFYING TEXT TO THE CHURCH AT THE RED DOOR SPECIFIC PLAN TO CLARIFY THAT THE PERMITTED USES LISTED WOULD ONLY BE APPROVED WHEN THE PLACE OF WORSHIP USE IS PROVED.

AND THE OTHER ONE, TO AMEND THE CHURCH AT THE RED DOOR SPECIFIC PLAN TO PROHIBIT THE USE OF ANY AMPLIFYING DEVICES.

AND WITH THAT, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDING APPROVAL ON RESOLUTION 19 -- I'M SORRY, 1978, 1979, AND 1980 RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, THE SPECIFIC PLAN AND TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP, AND CONTINUATION OF THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION TO A DATE AFTER THE SPECIFIC PLAN IS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL WHICH WILL BE RESOLUTION 1981, 1982 FOR THE DESIGN REVIEW, AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

THAT CONCLUDES MY STAFF REPORT.

WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE, AND STAFF WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THE COMMISSION AND ASK THE CHAIR TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS FIRST FROM THE APPLICANT SO THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER, AND STAFF IS ALSO READY TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS IF NEED BE.

SO WHEN THAT I WILL CONCLUDE MY STAFF REPORT AND I BASICALLY TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSION, CHAIR AND THE APPLICANT.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, LEILA.

I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED, AGAIN, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?

>> I HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION.

YOU WERE SAYING THERE ARE MODIFICATIONS TO TEXTED FOR AMPLIFYING.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE.

YEAH.

ANY AMPLIFYING DEVICES.

LEILA, CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT FOR ME.

>> SO ANY OUTDOOR AMPLIFYING DEVICES.

LET'S SAY DUE TO THE PROXIMITY OF THE PROPERTY TO RESIDENTIAL USES, STAFF THINKS THE AMPLIFYING DEVICES SHOULD NOT BE USED OUTDOORS, AND THE WORSHIP CENTER HAS A VERY LARGE SANCTUARY AREA THAT THEY CAN -- AND THEY HAVE AUDIO/VISUAL DEVICES THAT CAN BE USED TO DO ANYTHING THAT THEY NEED TO DO WITH THE SOUND, MUSIC OR SPEECH.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE OUTDOOR, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE IS A SPECIAL EVENT OF 100 OR MORE, THEN THAT AMPLIFICATION COULD CAUSE SOME CONCERNS WITH THE PROPERTIES SURROUNDING THIS WORSHIP PLACE, SO THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON THAT WE WANTED TO JUST NOT HAVE THAT.

AND IT IS REALLY HARD TO MEASURE THAT AND TO REGULATE THAT AND TO RESPOND TO IT UNLESS THERE ARE MANY, MANY TEAM EFFORTS AND EVERYTHING INVOLVED, LIKE OTHER EVENTS

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THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY THAT THE AMPLIFICATION BECOMES A HUGE BURDEN.

SO THAT WAS THE REASON.

THAT IS THE REASON THAT THE STAFF WOULD LIKE TO JUST NOT ALLOW OUTDOOR AMPLIFICATION.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

>> MADAME CHAIR, CAN -- CAN AS THE APPLICANT CAN WE ALSO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE?

>> I'LL GET TO YOU JUST AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

CAN YOU HOLD ON FOR ONE SECOND.

I WANT TO GO THROUGH MY COMMISSIONERS FIRST BEFORE I GET TO YOU, IF THAT'S OKAY.

>> SO, JACKIE, CAN I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP ON THAT, TO THIS QUESTION ABOUT THE OUTDOOR AMPLIFICATION.

LEILA, THERE WAS ALSO THE DISCUSSION OF ANY OUTDOOR EVENTS IN SUCCESS OF 100 GUESTS WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

SO WOULD THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT THEN ALLOW AMPLIFICATION BECAUSE I WOULD ASSUME YOU WOULD NEED IT IF YOU HAVE HAVE MORE THAN 100 PEOPLE OR IS THIS GOING TO EXCLUDE THAT AS WELL?

>> BASICALLY WE ARE ALTOGETHER PROHIBITING IT.

FOR A SPECIAL ERR TEMPORARY USE OR NON-SPECIAL TEMPORARY USE.

SO ANY OUTDOOR AMPLIFICATION WILL BE PROHIBITED.

AND THEN THE NEW VERSION OF THE SPIC PLAN DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY NUMBER OF ATTENDEES TO GO THROUGH THE TEMPORARY USE PERMIT, SO ANYTHING THAT FITS INTO THE TEMPORARY USE PERMIT REGULATION OF THE CITY WILL GO THROUGH IT AND THERE IS NO ATTENDEES, MINIMUM OR MAXIMUM.

SO WE WILL REVIEW ALL THOSE SPECIAL USE PERMITS PER THE CITY CODE.

>> OKAY.

THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE VERY WELCOME.

>> ACTUALLY, CHAIR, I JUST REMEMBER I HAD ANOTHER.

IT'S ALSO SORT OF IN LINE.

LEILA, YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER SOMETHING ABOUT THE STRUCTURE THAT IS GOING TO BE PUT WITHIN THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE CROSS, SOMETHING ABOUT LIGHTING.

HAS THE APPLICANT EXPRESSED ANY INTENTION OF HAVING THAT BE A LIGHTED FEATURE? AND I ASK BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THESE ARE ALL CONCERNS IN HOW, YOU KNOW, THE TIME OF WORSHIP AND ANY OF THESE FEATURES ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTING THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, SO I'M REALLY CURIOUS IF THEY HAVE EXPRESSED THAT.

>> SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS, YES, IT WILL BE LIT, INTERNAL ILLUMINATED OR EXTERNALLY, SO THAT'S WHY THEY HAD THAT PROVISION IN THE SPECIFICS PLAN.

IF IT IS LIT, IT WILL BE TURNED OFF AT 10:00 P.M.

BUT I WILL BASICALLY DEFER THAT TO THE APPLICANT TO EXPLAIN FURTHER ON THE LIGHTING ASPECT OF THIS FEATURE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE VERY WELCOME.

>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?

>> I'LL WAIT UNTIL WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FOR MY OTHER QUESTIONS.

THANKS.

>> SO IF THE APPLICANT COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

>> MY APOLOGIES.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO OFFICIALLY OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> I DID EARLIER, RIGHT AFTER.

>> I MISSED THAT.

MY APOLOGIES.

>> OKAY.

GOOD EVENING, MADAME CHAIR.

I'M CHRIS HERMANN, AND GOOD EVENING ALL YOU OTHER PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.

I'M AN ELDER OF THE CHURCH AT THE CHURCH ROAD DOOR AND I'M CHAIRMAN OF THE PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE.

WE MET EACH OTHER A NUMBER OF TIMES AND IT'S BEEN A PRODUCTIVE YEAR HERE GETTING IN PROJECT TO THE POINT THAT IT'S AT NOW.

I BROUGHT OUR PROJECT TEAM AND WE'LL ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS AS WE GO ON, BUT I WANT TO DO A BRIEF OVERVIEW AGAIN OF THE CHURCH AND THE PROCESS WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH TO TO GET TO THIS POINT TONIGHT.

FIRST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT WHO WE ARE AND I WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR FOUNDER.

CHURCH AT THE RED DOOR WAS ORGANIZED ALMOST FOUR YEARS AGO, MAYBE FIVE NOW BY OUR SENIOR PASTOR JEFF CRANFORD AND JEFF I WAS PROFESSIONAL WHO WAS CALLED INTO IF MINISTRY 20 YEARS AGO TO REACH BEHIND THE WALLS OF COUNTRY CLUBS TO SHARE THE BIBLE.

HE ALSO SERVES AS PRESIDENT OF THE LINKS ORGANIZATION, A NATIONWIDE GROUP THAT HOLDS OVER 250 BIBLE STUDIES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES AND ABROAD.

JEFF IS A GIFTED SPEAKER AND TEACHER AND HAS HELPED THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FIND JOY IN INNER CALLING AND PURPOSE IN THEIR LIVES.

THE CHURCH IS A CULMINATION OF THE EFFORTS OF HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WITH JEFF'S LEADERSHIP, AND SAFELY NEEDS A PERMANENT HOME TO HOLD ITS SERVICES.

PRE-COVID WE WERE MEETING ON THE UC CAMPUS IN RIVERSIDE.

UC RIVERSIDE CAMPUS IN PALM DESERT WITH A TOTAL ATTENDANCE IN THE MID-400S FOR TWO SERVERS IN PEAK SEASON.

IN THE SUMMER WE DROPPED TO ONE SERVICE WITH APPROXIMATELY 200 IN ATTENDANCE.

SINCE THE PANDEMIC WE BROADCAST RECORDED MESSAGES OVER OUR ONLINE PLATFORM, AND WE HAVE OVER 450 SUBSCRIBERS ON YOUTUBE.

OUR LIVE USE FOR ONE SUNDAY SERVICE AT 9:30 RANGES BETWEEN 250 TO 275 PEOPLE.

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WE BEGAN THE PROCESS OF SEARCHING FOR A PROPERTY OVER THREE YEARS AGO AND THE AVENUE 49 AND JEFFERSON SITE IS WHERE WE BELIEVE GOD CALLED OUR CHURCH.

WE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THE CITY STAFF EARLY ON WITH SITE PLANS AND STUDIES TO ILLUSTRATE OUR IDEA, AND AT THAT TIME THE GENERAL PLAN WAS BEING UPDATED AND THE NEW GENERAL PLAN -- THIS SITE WAS IN THE NEW GENERAL PLAN.

THIS SITE WAS CHANGED TO CONNECTED NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALLOWS FOR A PLACE OF WORSHIP, AS YOU KNOW, AS A SECONDARY USE.

IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE CHURCH TO BE HERE BECAUSE WE'RE COMMITTED TO BE A POSITIVE INFLUENCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CITY OF INDIO.

IN ORDER TO BE POSITIVE INFLUENCES, THE CHURCH AT THE RED DOOR FINANCIALLY SUPPORTS AND VOLUNTEERS TO THE FOLLOWING ORGANIZATIONS: COACHELLA VALLEY RESCUE MISSION, ANGEL TREE, FELLOWSHIP OF JEAN THREATSZ, MAMA'S HOUSE, DESERT DING ACADEMY, LINKS, SENIOR EDGE CLFT BIBLE, SOS, THE NARROW DOOR, PREGNANCY CENTER AND IN ADDITION IT PROVIDES BENEVOLENCE ASSISTANCE TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS SOME WHO DON'T EVEN THE END OUR CHURCH.

WE ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF VOLUNTARY POSITION.

I MYSELF AS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HELPED INDIO'S MUSEUM WITH WORK AND OUR STAFF HAS CONTINUED TO VOLUNTEER THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

IN ADDITION FOR THIS SITE WE BELIEVE OUR CHURCH IS THE LEAST IMPACTFUL OF ALL POTENTIAL USES AND IS BEST INVESTMENT INVESTMENT FOR THIS PROPERTY.

STAFF ADVISED US TO DEVELOP A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR THE SITE BECAUSE WHILE THE GENERAL PLAN WAS ADOPTED THE NEW ZONING CODE COULD TAKE MUCH LONGER THAN THIS PROCESS IN THE DIGS STAFF ASKED TO US MOVE THE BUILDS A CLOSE TO THE STREET AS POSSIBLE AND KEEP PARKING BEHIND THE BUILDING SO THERE WOULD BE A NICE LANDSCAPE BUFFER BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS AND CAN TWO STREETS.

WE MET WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON FEBRUARY 12, 20 TO RECEIVE INITIAL FEEDBACK ON THE SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURE.

THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT BUILDING MASSING AND THE HEIGHT OF THE CROSS AND BOTH ITEMS HAVE BEEN, OF COURSE, DISCUSSED IN THE SPECIFIC PLAN.

WE HAVE HAD THREE COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS.

WE HAD A LIVE ONE ON JUNE 9TH OF 2019, FEBRUARY 29TH OF 2020, AND ON SEPTEMBER 10TH OF 2020 VIA ZOOM.

THE FIRST SUBMITTAL OF THE SPECIFIC PLAN WAS MADE MAY 15, 2020, ALMOST A YEAR AGO.

THE INITIAL PLAN CALLED FOR A TOTAL PROTOCOL OF OVER 100,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIX PHASES AND THE CITY STAFF ALSO CD A CUP AND WE MADE APPLICATION.

AFTER HEARING THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS, THE FOLLOWING CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE CHURCH AT THE RED DOOR SPECIFIC PLAN BETWEEN MAY AND SEPTEMBER.

REMOVAL OF DAY SCHOOL AND DAYCARE FROM ALLOWED LAND USES.

REMOVAL OF THE AMPHITHEATER.

REVISION OF THE ALLOWED TEMPORARY USES.

ADDITIONAL PROHIBITED USES SUCH AS DISTRIBUTION OF FOOD.

TRAFFIC CHANGES, A LEFT TURN POCKET IN THE JEFFERSON MEDIAN SOUTH OF AVENUE 49.

A LONGER RIGHT TURN LANE INTO THE PROJECT ON JEFFERSON THAN IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN.

RELOCATION OF THE JEFFERSON ENTRY TO THE NORTH THROUGH ACCOMMODATED A LONGER TURN POCKET.

WINDING AVENUE 49 TO PROVIDE A RIGHT TURN LANE INTO THE PROJECT.

SO THE OVERALL PROJECT SIZE HAS BEEN REDUCED FROM 112,918 SQUARE FEET TO 41,236 SQUARE FEET AND ELIMINATED TWO BUILDINGS.

OVER 90% OF THE SITE WILL BE VIEWED AS OPEN SPACE AND FULL BUILD-OUT AND AS YOU KNOW THERE'S 580 SEATS IN OUR PHASE 1 AND 958 IN FULL BUILD-OUT.

WE'VE CONSISTENTLY WORKED WITH STAFF, PROVIDING TIMELY RESPONSES TO ALL THEIR REQUESTS AND RESUBMITTED THE SPECIFIC PLAN AND PLANS ON NOVEMBER 11, 2020.

THAT WOULD BE THE REVISED SPECIFIC PLAN.

THEN AFTER SEVERAL MORE MEETINGS WITH STAFF WE ANTICIPATED A FINAL ACTION AT THE FEBRUARY 10TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

HOWEVER, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WAS NEEDED AND WE PROVIDED THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION TO THE SPECIFIC PLAN TO MAKE TONIGHT'S MEETING.

MODIFICATION OF TEMPORARY USES, DEVELOPMENT OF AN OPERATIONAL PLAN, CREATION OF A MATRIX OF ALLOWED AND PROHIBITED USES, CLARIFICATION OF SETBACKS, REDUCING THE HEIGHT OF CROSS TO 35 FEET, REMOVE PARKING NEAR RESIDENCES, CLARIFY TIME EXPENSES, EXPIRATIONS OF THE PROJECT, COMBINED DRIVEWAYS ON AVENUE 49, AND MODIFIED ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS TO PROVIDE MORE DECORATIVE FEATURES.

WE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WHILE SPECIFICALLY I WANT TO TALK SOME MORE ABOUT THE SOUND AMPLIFICATION OF SOUND, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT THERE WAS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT SAID THERE'S NO TURF GRASS PERMITTED ON THE SITE.

I'D LIKE TO TURN THIS OVER TO OUR ARCHITECT WITH DOMUS STUDIO FOR A FEW MINUTES TO SHOW A REVISED VIDEO OF THE CHURCH, AND THEN OUR TEAM IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS YOU NEED TO.

SO THANK YOU AGAIN AND I'M GOING TO FLIP THIS OVER TO DAVID.

>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS DAVID KEITEL WITH DOMUS STUDIO ARCHITECTS IN SAN DIEGO.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CHURCH FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND WE ARE A 35-YEAR-OLD

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FIRM.

WE SPECIALIZE IN CHURCH FACILITIES, RELIGIOUS FACILITIES.

WE HAVE OVER 250 OF THEM ALL OVER SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

THIS IS AN EXPERTISE THAT WE DO.

CAN I GET A SCREEN SHARE SO I CAN SHOW THE VIDEO, PLEASE?

>> YOU MAY SHARE YOUR SCREEN.

>> LET'S SEE IF THIS PLAYS.

CAN EVERYONE SEE THAT?

>> NOT YET.

>> WE SEE A WHITE SCREEN.

>> WE SEE YOUR SCREEN WITH YOUR FILES.

YOU'VE GOT TO FLICK ON THE FLY-THROUGH IF YOU WANT IT TO BE SEEN.

OR PULL IT INTO THE SCREEN WHERE YOUR FACE IS.

>> IT'S STILL NOT?

>> NO.

>> I GOT IT.

LET ME JUST START THIS OVER.

YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT NOW.

>> YES.

I CAN SEE IT.

THIS IS LEILA.

>> LET ME START THIS OVER JUST ONE MOMENT.

THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE.

>> WE'RE NOT SEEING IT, DAVID.

WHO WANTS TO GO BACK TO LIVE MEETINGS? RAISE YOUR HAND.

>> EXACTLY.

LET ME TRY THIS ONE MORE TIME.

>> DOES EVELYN NEED TO SHARE THE SCREEN AGAIN WITH YOU? WE'RE NOT GETTING YOUR SCREEN.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE FILES YOU SENT TO THE CITY? COULD THEY BE USED?

>> IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I CAN TRY.

>> YES, LEILA, IF YOU COULD DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

>> SURE.

LET ME TRY.

>> I WAS HOPING TO SHOW THE FIRST OVERVIEW OF THE SITE FIRST, THE EXISTING SITE.

>> EVELYN, IF YOU HAVE THEM OPEN, THAT'S PERFECT.

>> THE CHURCH AT THE RED DOOR EXISTING SITE OR THE 2021 FLY-THROUGH?

>> EXISTING SITE FIRST.

>> EXISTING SITE.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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[MUSIC] >> THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE.

YOU CAN SEE THE RESIDENCE ON THE BACK SIDE.

EXISTING HOME.

THIS IS DOWN JEFFERSON DOWN TOWARD RALPH'S.

RINCON TO THE NORTH.

AND IF YOU CAN PLAY THE SECOND ONE.

>> OKAY.

>> THIS IS STARTING WITH A VIEW FROM JEFFERSON AND AVENUE 49 HEADING SOUTH.

AND IT CHANGES THE VIDEO FROM THE LAST ONE YOU SAW SO YOU HAVE A BETTER FEEL OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE STREET AND FROM THE PUBLIC VIEW.

>> YOU CAN ALL SEE IT, RIGHT?

>> NO.

>> NO, WE SEE A BLACK SCREEN.

OR WE SAW A BLACK SCREEN.

>> LET ME TRY AGAIN.

CAN YOU SEE IT NOW?

>> YES.

BUT IF WE COULD BACKTRACK TO THE BEGINNING BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PLAY.

THERE WE GO.

SO FROM THE CORNER OF JEFFERSON AND AVENUE 49 MOVING SOUTH, THIS IS THE SANCTUARY BUILDING.

IT WILL MAINLY, THEY MATERIALS ARE STUCCO, STEEL PANELS THAT WE USED FOR SHADE DEVICES AND THEN THE BLOCK.

YOU WILL SEE ADDED FENESTRATION TO THE BLOCK THAT WASN'T THERE BEFORE TO BREAK UP THAT MASS.

THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING IS 15 FEET TALL.

THE BLOCK PORTIONS ARE MASKING.

THERE'S MECHANICAL WALLS BEHIND THEM.

THEY ARE 20 FEET TALL THAN THE SANCTUARY BUILDING IS 31 FEET TALL.

SO AS WE MOVE INTO THE CAMPUS, THERE'S A MONUMENT SIGN AT BOTH ENTRANCES, AND THEN A ROUND ABOUT SO YOU CAN ORBIT THE PARKING LOT.

AND OUR DESIGN IS REALLY A TRANSPARENT DESIGN THAT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, TRANSPARENT INDOORS AND OUTDOORS, BREAKING DOWN THAT BARRIER, USING THE BEAUTIFUL CLIMATE WE HAVE TO INVITE PEOPLE IN.

THERE'S SOME WHAT HAVE A MURAL THAT SEPARATES THE PARKING LOT FROM THE BUILDING AND THAT WILL BRIDGE OVER IN PLACES.

LEILA MENTIONED THE WATER FEATURE THAT YOU SEE RIGHT THERE.

AND THEN THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE CHURCH.

THERE'S AN OUTDOOR AREA BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS, IT HAS THE RESTROOMS AND SOME SEATING ON THE OUTSIDE.

THAT EXPANDS THE LOBBY A LITTLE BIT FOR SOCIALIZING.

AND BACK AROUND.

AND THEN YOU SEE THE CROSS.

AND YOUR QUESTION ON THE CROSS, WE ARE HOPING TO LIGHT THE CROSS FROM BELOW JUST TO CATCH THE CROSSARMS OF THE CROSS, AND AS LEILA SAID THAT WOULD BE TURNED OFF AT 10:00.

THAT'S HOW THE SPECIFIC PLAN IS WRITTEN.

>> THANK YOU, DAVID.

SORRY FOR THE TECHNICAL -- THE TECHNICAL PROBLEMS WE'VE BEEN HAVING.

SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY IS HAVING THESE DAYS.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT MY VERIZON, MY PHONE WAS DROPPING EVERYBODY YESTERDAY AFTERNOON ALL OVER TOWN, HEARD A LOT OF THAT.

AGAIN, GIVEN ALL WE'VE OUTLINED HERE AND THE WORK THAT'S GONE IN AND ENDLESS HEROS OUR STAFF AND TEAM HAS PUT IN TO GET THIS PROJECT TO THE PLACE WHERE IT IS, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S APPROVAL TO MOVE THIS ON TO CITY COUNCIL, AND OUR TEAM OF CONSULTANTS CAN ANSWER ANY OTHER TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.

AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

>> THANK YOU.

AT THIS TIME IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.

>> YES, I HAVE A FEW IF YOU WANT ME TO START.

SO, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE CHANGES.

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I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE -- THE PROJECT IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHEN IT FIRST CAME TO US, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M STILL CONCERNED WITH IS WE HAVE REPEATEDLY ASKED TO MINIMIZE ANY AND ALL IMPACT TO AVENUE 49 BECAUSE THAT IS SUCH A RURAL STREET AND NOT -- IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT FOR IT TO ABSORB SOME OF THE TRAFFIC, AND YET I DON'T SEE ANY CHANGES TO THAT.

THE ENTRANCE IS STILL THERE, WHICH I UNDERSTAND YOU NEED FOR THE HOUSE, BUT IT COULD BE A LIMITED ENTRANCE FOR EITHER EMERGENCY ONLY OR TO ACCESS THAT HOUSE ONLY.

CAN WE DISCUSS WHY THERE WERE NO CHANGES MADE OR LOOKING AT MAYBE JUST THE JEFFERSON-ONLY ENTRANCE?

>> IF YOU'D LIKE, YES, WE HAVE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER HERE WHO CAN TALK MORE DETAILED AND GIVE YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THAT.

GEORGE.

>> GOOD EVENING -- SORRY.

GO AHEAD.

>> AND ALSO SINCE THE LAST TIME WE DID REMOVE THE TWO, IS THE SECOND DRIVEWAY TO THE RESIDENTIAL AND WE BROUGHT THAT ONTO SITE TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON THE STREET.

SORRY, GEORGE.

>> GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF PLANNING COMMISSION MY NAME IS GEORGE, PRINCIPLAL IEG.

WE'RE THE ENGINEERS WHO PREPARED THE STUDY.

COMMISSIONER FRANZ, YOUR QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT AVENUE 49 CAN HANDLE THE CAPACITY OR THE DEMAND OF THIS PROJECT AND OTHER TRAFFIC CURRENTLY EXISTS IN THE AREA.

THE WAY AVENUE 49 IS BUILT AND THE FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION OF THAT ROAD IS A TWO-LANE COLLECTOR.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE WAY IT'S CONFIGURED.

YOU HAVE ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION AND YOU HAVE A CENTER TURN LANE IN THE MIDDLE.

AND THE REASON BEING FOR THAT TRAFFIC CONFIGURATION IS TO ACCOMMODATE, WHETHER IT'S A STREET OR A DRIVEWAY.

NOW, WHEN IT COMES TO THE CAPACITY OF THAT ROAD, THE CAPACITY, IT'S WAY HIGHER THAN WHAT THE DEMAND IS CURRENTLY ON THE STREET AND WILL BE.

WE DID THAT SEGMENT ANALYSIS, CONSISTENT WITH THE RULES AND GUIDELINES OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERING AND ALSO WE DID THE INTERSECTION ANALYSIS.

BASED ON OUR ANALYSIS, THE OPERATION ALONG AVENUE 49 IS AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE A, SO IT'S REALLY A GOOD LEVEL OF SERVICE.

THERE'S NO DELAYS.

AND ALSO THE HOUSES CITY INTERSECTION AT JEFFERSON, THAT OPERATION, THE OPERATION OF THAT INTERSECTION CAME UP TO BE AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE WHICH IS ACCEPTABLE FOR LOCAL AND REGIONAL.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.

IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OR ISSUES, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT.

>> YEAH.

YOU MENTIONED A CENTER TURNING LANE?

>> IT'S A CENTER.

IT'S A CENTER TURNING LANE.

WHEN YOU HAVE ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION, USUALLY IT'S STRIPPED IN YELL WHERE IT'S A REFUGE AREA WHERE YOU SEE A CAR KIND OF GO INTO THAT LANE AND WAIT UNTIL YOU HAVE A GAP IN TRAFFIC WHERE YOU GET THE ABILITY TO MAKE A LEFT TURN LANE, FOR EXAMPLE, INTO A STREET OR A DRIVEWAY.

>> SO -- >> I CAN SHOW IT TO YOU.

DO YOU MIND?

>> THAT WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO THIS.

I CAN WALK THERE, AND I ALWAYS SEE CARS HAVE TO STOP TO WAIT FOR THE TRAFFIC TO CLEAR TO EITHER MAKE RIGHT OR A LEFT.

>> I ALSO HAVE THE AERIAL OPEN, SO JUST IN CASE -- SO WHAT THEY ARE REFERRING TO THAT MEDIAN IS THIS YELLOW DOUBLE LINE.

>> I DON'T SEE ANYTHING, LEILA.

>> YOU DO NOT SEE ANYTHING? SORRY.

>> NO, IT'S NOT SHARING.

I SEE THE SITE PLAN.

>> OKAY.

LET ME DO IT ONE MORE TIME.

>> SO THIS IS ONE LANE GOING TOWARD EAST, ONE LANE GOING TOWARD WEST, AND THIS IS THE REFUGE AREA IN THE MIDDLE THAT GEORGE IS REFERRING TO.

>> AND, COMMISSIONER FRANZ, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT CENTER LANE GOES BEYOND THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY, GOES TO THE -- CAN YOU MOVE THE SCREEN A LITTLE BIT, LEILA, TO THE EAST JUST TO SHOW THE EXTENT OF THAT LANE, HOW FAR IT EXTENDS.

NO, THE OTHER WAY, PLEASE.

YEP.

>> SO IT OPENS HERE BECAUSE OF THE STREET.

>> RIGHT.

>> IT'S HERE BECAUSE OF THE DRIVEWAY.

THEN ALL THE WAY UP TO HERE.

>> OKAY.

SO IT STARTS AND STOPS RIGHT BEFORE DESERT RIVER.

>> CORRECT.

AFTER -- >> FURTHER.

>> YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER EAST OF DESERT RIVER.

JUST A LITTLE BIT EAST OF THAT, YEAH.

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SO THAT'S THE LANE.

THAT'S THE CONFIGURATION.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT TRAFFIC CONFIGURATION IS TO PROVIDE A HIGHER CAPACITY FOR THAT TYPE OF ROADWAY AND ENHANCE THE CLASSIFICATION, THIS IS A COLLECTOR, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER CLASSIFICATION LIKE FOR A RESIDENTIAL DO NOT HAVE THAT CENTER LANE.

YOU TYPICALLY HAVE ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION.

AND ON A ARTERIAL OR A MAJOR YOU WILL HAVE A RAISED MEDIAN INSTEAD OF A STRIPED MEDIAN LIKE THE ONE YOU SEE ON FELINE 49.

>> SO I GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION.

THERE WILL STILL BE, DURING PEAK USE THREE OR FOUR TIMES A WEEK, FOUR TIMES A WEEK, WHATEVER IT IS, THERE WILL BE SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN TRAFFIC TO THAT STREET, WHICH WE'VE ALWAYS CONSIDERED A RURAL STREET, RIGHT, A VERY QUIET STREET OVERALL.

WAS THERE SOME REASON THAT REQUIRED THAT THERE BE AN ACCESS OFF AVENUE 49?

>> IT'S, YOU KNOW, FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, OF COURSE, WHEN YOU HAVE A CORNER LOT, IT'S SO MUCH BETTER TO PROVIDE TWO ACCESS POINTS BECAUSE THAT WILL GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO FREELY ACCESS THE SITE IF THERE'S ANY -- DEPENDING ON YOUR APPROACH TO THE SITE.

IT MAKES IT MUCH EASIER FOR YOU TO HAVE -- IF YOU'RE COMING, LET'S SAY, HEADING WEST ON 49TH WEEK YOU CAN ACCESS IT FROM THAT POINT INSTEAD OF GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE INTERSECTION, WAIT AT THE INTERSECTION, MAKE A LEFT, WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY PROVIDE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, PRESSURE ON THAT INTERSECTION TO OPERATE AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A SIXTH LANE, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE CASE WHEN WE HAVE JEFFERSON, MOST OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING NORTH AND SOUTH RIGHT NOW, GOING NORTH YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY WITH A TURN LANE, GOING SOUTH YOU HAVE TWO OPPORTUNITIES HERE.

YOU CAN TURN LEFT AT THE INTERSECTION OF JEFFERSON AND GET TO THE SITE THROUGH AVENUE 49 OR YOU CAN CONTINUE AND GET TO THE LEFT TURN POCKET THAT'S GOING TO BE CREATED BY THIS PROJECT FOR THE JEFFERSON STREET DRIVEWAY.

IN EITHER CASE, IT CAN PROVIDE A BETTER PATTERN IN AND OUT OF THE SITE RATHER THAN CONCENTRATE THAT TRAFFIC AT ONE LOCATION, WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY CREATE BACKUP INTO THE STREET, AND THE WHOLE IDEA OF THIS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE TURN POCKET AT THE DRIVEWAYS TO MAINTAIN THAT FLOW OF TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH AND PROVIDE OPTIONS TO RELIEVE THE STREET, ONE STREET FROM BEING HEAVILY CONGESTED, NOT HEAVILY CONGESTED BUT POTENTIALLY EXPERIENCING SOME BACKUP FROM THE DRIVEWAY.

THE APPROACH THAT WE HAVE TAKEN HERE, WE ANALYZED THE SEGMENTS, WE ANALYZED THE INTERSECTION, WE ANALYZED THE DRIVEWAYS, AND WE ANALYZED THE QUEUES.

AND WE MADE SURE THAT WHATEVER CAPACITY NEEDED HAS BEEN ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED.

AND THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS IN DETAIL.

>> OKAY.

YOU MENTIONED THE STACKING CAPABILITIES.

WHEN WE LOOK AT JEFFERSON AND 49, HOW MANY CARS WE TALKING ABOUT BEING ABLE TO STACK WITHOUT INTERRUPTING THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC?

>> RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, THE WAY IT EXISTS CURRENTLY, WHAT WE HAVE AT THE SOUTHBOUND, IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO JEFFERSON STREET AND 49, AND AVENUE 49 SOUTHBOUND LEFT, WE HAVE 160-FOOT CAPACITY FOR CARS TO STACK IN.

WHAT WE ARE DOING, AFTER THE ANALYSIS AND THE INCORPORATION OF THE PROJECT, THAT QUEUE WAS BUILT TO 242 FEET OF DEMAND, WHICH WE WILL EXTEND THAT POCKET TO 250 IN ORDER FOR US TO ACCOMMODATE THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT COULD POTENTIALLY UTILIZED THAT, THAT APPROACH.

NOW, THE WESTBOUND LEFT, THE WESTBOUND LEFT, BASED ON THE FIGURE THAT IS SHOWN HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE 100-FOOT CURRENTLY STRIPED LEFT TURN POCKET, AND YOU HAVE THAT CENTER LANE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ALONG AVENUE 49, WHICH COULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY IF NEEDED.

SO THERE'S NO NEED FOR ANY MODIFICATION ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY ON AVENUE 49.

AND THE ADDITION OF THAT POCKET THAT YOU CAN SEE DOWN HERE GOING DOWN ON JEFFERSON, THE 180-FOOT POCKET, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY AND A SECONDARY ACCESS FOR VEHICLES HEADING SOUTH ON JEFFERSON TO UTILIZE THAT

[01:15:05]

ACCESS POINT AS WELL.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, AT EACH DRIVEWAY WE HAVE ALSO TURNING LANES TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE VEHICLES WILL COME IN.

WE EXTENDED THE LANES OF THE DRIVEWAY OFF OF JEFFERSON TO BE ABLE TO REALLY PROVIDE THAT ALSO CAPACITY ON-SITE.

AND THE SAME ALSO APPLIES TO AVENUE 49 WHEN WE HAVE EVEN A LONGER POCKET, WHICH IS 150-FOOT LONG TURN LANE, SO BASICALLY THE CARS ACCESSING THE SITE WILL NOT IMPEDE THE THROUGH LANES.

SO HOLISTICALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THIS GRAPHIC HERE, ALL ASPECTS OF THE OPERATING IN AND OUT OF THE SITE AND AT THE INTERSECTION HAS BEEN ADDRESSED CONSISTENT WITH THE TECHNICAL STUDY THAT WE HAVE PREPARED AND ANALYZED AND SHARED AND REVIEWED BY THE CITY.

>> IF I COULD JUST REMIND EVERYBODY, PER OUR USE CHART, THIS IS THE HIGHEST USE IS ON A SUNDAY MORNING.

DURING THE WEEK AND ON A SATURDAY THERE'S HARDLY NOBODY ON THE CHURCH CAMPUS SO THERE'S HARDLY ANY IMPACT DURING THE WEEK.

THE HIGHEST IMPACT IS ON A SUNDAY MORNING WHICH THERE'S TYPICALLY LESS TRAFFIC ON THE ROADWAYS.

>> JUST TO ADD TO THAT -- THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE THE PEAK OF THE CHURCH IS OFFSET WHEN IT COMES TO THE PEAK OF THE NETWORK BECAUSE TYPICALLY THE PEAK OF THE NETWORK IS DURING THE WEEK IN THE MORNING WHEN PEOPLE LEAVE THEIR HOMES TO GO TO WORK, AND IN THE EVENING WHEN THEY COME BACK, SO THIS ACTIVITY IS ON A SUNDAY MORNING.

WHAT WE'VE DONE, WE LOOKED AT THE WORST CASE.

WE REALLY COUNTED ALL THE WAY FROM 8:00 A.M.

UNTIL 12:00 JUST TO MAKE SURE TO GET THE HIGHEST PEAK POSSIBLE IN THIS AREA.

AND WE STILL HAD A REALLY GOOD LEVEL SERVICE ON BOTH THE STREETS AND THE INTERSECTION.

>> THANK YOU NOR THAT.

THAT DOES ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.

I'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE BUT I WANT TO SEE IF ONE OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAS ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I HOG UP ALL THE TIME.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO AVENUE 49 ACCESS?

>> CHAIRWOMAN LOPEZ, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.

>> OKAY.

GLORIA, GO AHEAD.

>> THEN IT'S JUST ME.

THANK YOU.

THEY CLARIFIED THE PERMIT FOR OUTDOORS, SO I'M NOT GOING TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

SO WE HAVE BEEN MEMBERS OF SACRED HEART SEARCH IN PALM DESERT SO THEY'RE A NICE-SIZE CHURCH.

I'VE BEEN THERE DURING PEAK SERVICES WHICH IS CHRISTMAS, EASTER, ALL THE BIG EVENTS.

THEY WORK REALLY HARD TO MITIGATE PARKING ISSUES BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS PARKING ISSUES.

SO MY CONCERN IS BASED ON WHEN YOU REACH MAXIMUM CAPACITY, WHICH COULD BE A FEW MORE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, YOU GET PHASE 4, YOU GET THAT EXTRA PARKING.

IF YOU ARE AT CAPACITY, THE ODDS ARE YOU'RE GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE SOME TYPE OF OVERFLOW OF CARS BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY -- I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GET 965 PEOPLE IN SEATS WITH 300 PLUS PARKING SPOTS.

MOST PEOPLE DRIVE ALONE.

YOU MIGHT GET TWO PEOPLE IN A CAR, MAYBE FOUR BUT USUALLY NOT MUCH MORE THAN THAT.

HAVE YOU GUYS CONSIDERED WHAT TYPE OF A PARKING MITIGATION PLAN OR COULD CREATE IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT DURING THOSE PEAK TIMES PEOPLE DON'T SAY, IT'S TOO HARD TO GO THROUGH THE PARKING LOT SO I'M GOING TO PARK ACROSS THE STREET IN RINCON BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO PARK, EVEN THOUGH IT'S MORE DANGEROUS TO CROSS THE STREET.

AND THAT HAPPENS AT SACRED HEART CURRENT.

AT EVERY EVENT THEY PEOPLE PARKING IN NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE IT'S JUST EASIER THAN GOING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.

I'M KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO WHAT YOUR THINKING, IF YOU GET TO THAT SIZE OF MAXIMUM CAPACITY, DO YOU HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE TO SHUTTLE PEOPLE IN, TO DO SOMETHING TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT PARKING ALONG AVENUE 49, WHICH HOPEFULLY THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, OR IN THOSE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS?

>> WE CAN -- I CAN TALK ABOUT THIS.

BRUCE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS.

DAVID CAN WEIGH IN WITH HIS EXPERIENCE.

[01:20:03]

I'M SURE RANDY LINTECUM OUR EXECUTIVE PASTOR CAN WEIGH IN.

WE HAVE DISCUSSED ALL OF THOSE POTENTIAL ISSUES, AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE WOULD DEAL WITH TRAFFIC FLOW OURSELVES WITH THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT GROUP OF CHURCH MEMBERS, WE WOULD DO THAT IF THAT BECAME AN ISSUE.

I BELIEVE THAT'S WRITTEN INTO THE PLAN, ISN'T IT, RICH, OR WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT IN THE OPERATIONAL PLAN?

>> YES, IT IS.

>> THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT I CAN SEE WHERE YOU'D BE CONCERNED, COMMISSIONER, BUT AT THIS POINT IN OUR LIFE OF THE CHURCH WE ANTICIPATE ANYTHING THAT COULD COME, BUT AT THIS POINT IT'S NOT A REALITY, AND OUR PARKING STUDY SUPPORTED THAT WITH DAVID'S GROUP AND THE CHURCHES HE'S DONE, OVER 250 CHURCHES.

>> MOST MUNICIPALITIES HAVE PARKING RATIOS OF LIKE FIVE SEATS OR FIVE SEATS TO ONE PARKING STALL OR FOUR SEATS TO ONE PARKING STALL.

WE'RE AT 2.

SOMETHING HERE, SO THAT'S A REALLY HIGH PARKING AVERAGE, THE RATIO.

AND OUR EXPERIENCE IS ON THE HIGH HOLIDAYS, THAT SOMETIMES -- IT SOMETIMES IS A PROBLEM, BUT THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF A UNIQUE SITE, AND THE CHURCH HAS REALLY BEEN GOOD, WANTS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, HAS REACHED OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, AND WITH THEIR TRAFFIC MITIGATION AND VOLUNTEERS ON THAT, ON THOSE DAYS, I'M SURE THEY CAN MANAGE AND TELL PEOPLE NOT TO PARK THERE.

TYPICALLY THAT WHAT TAKES CARE OF ITSELF.

IF A CHURCH GROWS AND THERE'S NO PARKING, PEOPLE STOP COMING.

IF THE CHURCH GROWS AND THERE'S NO SEATS, PEOPLE STOP COMING.

IT'S JUST THE REALITY.

IT KIND OF MONITORS AND TAKES CARE OF ITSELF.

>> COMMISSIONER FRANZ, WE ALSO IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 2.8 OF THE SPECIFIC PLAN, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS ARE DURING SUNDAY AND HOLIDAY SERVICES WHERE YOU HAVE MORE ATTENDANCE, I'LL READ IT VERBATIM FOR YOU BE.

"DURING SUNDAY AND HOLIDAY SERVICES THE CHURCH WILL PROVIDE TRAFFIC CONTROL TO MINIMIZE ANY VEHICULAR BACKUP ON THE SURROUND STREETS, DIRECTION TO ON-SITE PARKING AND MINIMIZATION OF NOISE TO ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.

THERE SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF 30 MINUTES BETWEEN EXCESSIVE SERVICES." SO WE WILL HAVE PEOPLE ON THE SITE DIRECTING TRAFFIC SO THAT'S THOSE PROBLEMS DO NOT OCCUR.

>> AND WE WILL NOT BE ALLOWING THEM TO BE PARKING IN NEIGHBORHOODS.

WE WILL PUT SIGNS UP.

>> OKAY.

SO I GUESS MY LAST QUESTION IS YOUR ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE IN THE FRONT WHICH HAS GONE FROM I THINK IT WAS 70 OR 80 FEET DOWN TO 35 FEET.

THERE IS NOTHING ELSE IN THE SURROUNDING AREA THAT HAS ANY TYPE OF ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE OR SIGN.

I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY BEING CALLED A SIGN, IF I READ THE INFORMATION CORRECTLY.

SO MY CONCERN IS THAT IF WE ALLOW A 30-FOOT SIGN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE ON THIS PROPERTY, WILL THE NEXT DEVELOPER THAT COMES IN TO PUT SOMETHING ON JEFFERSON ALSO WANT SOMETHING SIMILAR.

SO THAT'S -- AND THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

MY OTHER CONCERN WITH THAT FEATURE WAS THAT TO ME IF IT WAS GOING TO BE THERE, I THINK IT SHOULDN'T BE ANY TALLER THAN THE TALLEST BUILDING, AND THIS STILL EXCEEDS IT JUST BY 4 FEET BUT IT STILL EXCEEDS IT BY 4 FEET, SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CONCERN FOR ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.

BUT I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF WHETHER IT'S A SIGN AND WHETHER THAT WOULD CREATE ANY TYPE OF PRECEDENCE WHERE ANOTHER PROJECT WOULD COME IN AND WANT TO PUT SOMETHING THAT THEY CONSIDER A SIGN OR ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE THAT IS NOW 30 PLUS FEET TALL.

>> SO I CAN TRY TO RESPOND, AND THEN IF DIRECTOR SNYDER OR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY ISRA WOULD LIKE TO ADD OR STOP ME, FEEL FREE.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.

SO A SIGN IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE ALSO SOME TYPE OF INFORMATIONAL WRITINGS OR AN ICON OF A COMPANY OR SOMETHING ON IT, SO THIS IS NOT HAVING THAT.

AND ALSO, AS YOU SEE, IT'S KIND OF INCORPORATED INTO THE BUILDING IN A WAY, SO

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THIS GOES THROUGH THE ROOF OF THAT PATIO AREA.

AND IT MAY NOT BE A FEATURE, TOO.

OUR CODE IS NOT AS SPECIFIC TO SAY WHAT A SIGN IS.

SOMETIMES THERE'S SOME OBVIOUS THINGS THAT WE DON'T THINK ABOUT TO DEFINE A SIGN.

HOWEVER, THE SPECIFIC PLAN ALLOWS THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE REFLECT.

IT COULD BE IN THE ARCHITECTURE, IT COULD BE ON THE SIGN, IT COULD BE IN THE HEIGHT.

SO THEY'RE USING THAT.

AND THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WITHIN THIS AREA IS 35 FEET, SO IF THE APPLICANT FOR THE SAKE OF CONVERSATION, LET'S SAY THEY PUT THAT -- THEY PUT A TOWER ON TOP OF THE BUILDING AND ATTACH THAT TO IT, THEY CAN GO UP TO 35 FEET.

SO BY NOT DOING THAT, IT'S A VISUAL IMAGE.

IT ALSO WORKS AS AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE.

ALSO, IT'S SIGN OF CHRISTIANITY, SO IT COULD BE A SIGN AS WELL.

BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU IT IS A SIGN LIKE -- I'M NOT BEING DISRESPECTFUL, BUT IT'S NOT A STARBUCKS SIGN.

SO IT'S NOT A STARBUCKS.

I DON'T KNOW, LEILA'S COMPANY.

IT IS TO ME MOST LIKELY CLOSER TO AB ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE, CLOSER TO AN ART PIECE, IF YOU WANT TO ASK MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION.

I LOOK AT IT AS SUCH, AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS LOWERED TO 35 FEET.

STAFF FELT COMFORTABLE BECAUSE, AS A SAID, IT IS AT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT PRECEDENT, IF OTHER USES COME WITHIN THAT AREA, WHICH COULD BE COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL, WE HAVE MORE TEETH ON THE SIGN FOR THOSE TYPE OF USES IN OUR CODE, BUT THERE IS NOTHING IN OUR CODE THAT SAYS A WORSHIP PLACE SIGN SHOULD BE SUCH-AND-SUCH, SO IT'S A GRAY WEAR AREA.

THAT'S WHY WE RECOMMENDED THE APPLICANT STELL SPELL IT WILL OUT IN THE SPECIFIC PLAN.

AND THEY LOWERED IT GENEROUSLY TO A POINT THAT I CAN SAY MYSELF AS A STAFF FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY SAID THEY'RE GOING TO TURN IT OFF AT 10:00 P.M., SO IT WON'T BE ANY ALSO LIGHTING POLLUTION IN THE AREA AS WELL.

BUT I'M THINKING KEVIN MAY WANT TO ADD OR ISRA SHAH, THE DIFFERENT ATTORNEY.

>> CENTERS KEVIN SNYDER, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

SOME ADDITIONAL POINTS ON TOP OF WHAT LEILA PROVIDED.

THE REGARDING THE PRECEDENT ISSUE, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE SPECIFIC PLAN IS A LEGISLATIVE ACTION WHICH IS AS A FORM OF ZONING SPECIFIC TO THIS PROPERTY.

IT IS NOT PRECEDENT-SETTING BECAUSE THIS WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THIS PROPERTY AND THE CITY IS NOT OBLIGATED -- TO PROVIDE THE SAME LEVEL OF ZONING CONSIDERATION TO OTHER PROPERTIES UNLESS THAT IS SOUGHT FOR AND APPROVED TO THAT THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.

-- THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.

SO IT IS NOT PRECEDENT SETTING.

IT IS, I THINK LEILA PROVIDED A GOOD EXPLANATION OF KIND OF HOW THESE ARE LOOKED AT.

THEY ARE MORE ARCHITECTURAL AND LESS SIGNAGE, ALTHOUGH THEY MAY HAVE A SENSE OF SIGNAGE AROUND THEM, BUT I THINK IF YOU SAW THE IMAGES EARLIER ABOUT THE MONUMENT SIGNS THAT WERE PROPOSED FOR BOTH ENTRANCE POINTS, THAT IS WHAT WE MORE TYPICALLY REFER TO AS SIGNAGE, AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING SIGNAGE THAT WOULD BE REGULATED BY THE SPECIFIC PLAN FOR THOSE ENTRANCE POINTS AS WELL.

AND FINALLY, AS LEILA POINTED OUT, THE APPLICANT HAS REDUCED THE HEIGHT.

IT IS THE DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU ACCEPT THAT HEIGHT STANDARD.

YOU ARE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON THE SPECIFIC PLAN, WHICH IS ZONING STANDARDS, AND AS PART OF ZONING STANDARDS, HEIGHT IS A FEATURE OF THE ZONING STANDARDS, SO YOU CAN REASONABLY CONSIDER AN ALTERNATIVE AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL IF YOU SO CHOOSE AS FOR AN ALTERNATIVE CONSIDERATION TO THE PROPOSED HEIGHT, ALTHOUGH AS LEILA POINTED OUT, THEY HAVE CONSIDERABLY COME DOWN FROM WHERE THEY INITIALLY STARTED.

>> THANK YOU.

I REALLY WANTED THE CLARIFICATION.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I WANTED THAT FOR THE RECORD.

CHAIRMAN LOPEZ, AT THIS TIME THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FRANZ.

AND -- >> I JUST HAVE SOMETHING TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT PARTICULAR FEATURE.

BECAUSE OF THE EARLIER MENTION ABOUT THE WAY THAT IT COULD MAKE THE

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SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, IS THERE ANY INTENTION OR IS THIS WHAT WE WOULD COVER DURING THE DESIGN REVIEW, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS IS THERE LIKE A COMMITMENT TO HOW THIS PARTICULAR FEATURE IS GOING TO BE LIT? I MEAN, A GIANT RED CROSS MIGHT BE A STRIKING THING ON THAT CORRIDOR, SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A SORT OF COMMITMENT TO HOW IT'S GOING TO BE LIT.

>> IT'S NOT GOING TO BE GROSSLY LIT, YOU KNOW, GLARING.

IT'S JUST TRYING TO GET SOME SPECIFIC UPLIGHTS.

AND WE CAN WORK ON THE LENSES, ON THE FIXTURES THAT WE CAN JUST CATCH THE CROSSARMS AND SUBTLY LIGHT IT.

IT JUST WANTS TO HAVE A SUBTLE GLOW TO IT BUT IT'S NOT A BRIGHT GLARING LIGHT ON IT AT ALL.

THAT'S NOT OUR INTENTION.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ.

COMMISSIONER YSIANO.

>> NO, THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER FRANZ AND COMMISSIONER CEJA PRETTY MUCH ADDRESSED THE THOUGHTS THAT I WAS HAVING, MOSTLY PERTAINING TO AVENUE 49 AND TRAFFIC FLOW.

>> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION, AND MAYBE MISSED IT.

THE OUTDOOR AMPHITHEATER, IS THAT STILL A CONDITION? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN AMPHITHEATER AND AN

OUTDOOR -- >> NO, THE APPLICANT HAS REMOVED THE AMPHITHEATER THAT USED TO BE PART OF IT WHEN HE CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR PROJECT CONSULTATION, SO THEY HAVE REMOVED THAT.

SO THE AMPLIFICATION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS LIKE LET'S SAY THEY BRING SOME AUDIO EQUIPMENT AND HAVE LIKE, LET'S SAY FOR THE SAKES OF CONVERSATION, MUSIC OR PLAYERS WITH AMPLIFICATION AND WITH MICROPHONES AND SPEAKERS THROUGHOUT THE SITE AS AN AFTER-FEATURE, BUT THE AMPHITHEATER WAS ROUND WITH THE STEPS GOING DOWN AND IT WAS FACING AVENUE 49 HAS BEEN REMOVED BY THE 360 ALTOGETHER.

>> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

I WAS GOING THROUGH THE REPORT.

QUESTION FOR YOU, LEILA.

THERE A CAP WHEN IT COMES TO EVENTS?

>> NO.

>> FOR LIKE A SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT OR IS THAT A SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT OR JUST A

REGULAR -- >> SO THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS AN ORDINANCE FOR A SPECIAL EVENT, SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THINGS LIKE PUMPKIN PATCH OR HALLOWEEN EVENT OR CHRISTMAS TREE LOTS OR CAR SALES AND THINGS LIKE THAT FALL UNDER THAT.

AND THEN FOR EACH OF THOSE USES THERE IS -- THERE ARE REGULATIONS AS TO HOW OFTEN IT CAN HAPPEN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, HOW CLOSE TO EACH OTHER IT CAN HAPPEN, AND ALL OF THEM, THERE IS NO MAXIMUM CAPACITY OR MINIMUM CAPACITY.

ALL OF THEM WILL COME TO THE CITY AS AN OFFICIAL APPLICATION THAT EVERY DEPARTMENT WILL REVIEW IT, WHICH INCLUDES PUBLIC WORKS, CITY ENGINEER, OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT WILL REVIEW IT, POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUILDING, FIRE AND PLANNING.

SO LET'S SAY FOR THE SAKE OF CONVERSATION THE CHURCH AT THE RED DOOR WOULD LIKE TO PUT AN EVENT UP -- I DON'T KNOW -- 5,000 PEOPLE ON THAT LOT.

IT WILL GET REVIEWED BY US, AND IT MAY NOT BE APPROVED BECAUSE MAYBE THE CAPACITY IS NOT THERE.

SO PER THE CODE, IT WILL GET REVIEWED.

AND EVERY TIME THAT THAT TEMPORARY SPECIAL USE PERMIT CODE WILL CHANGE, THEY STILL NEED TO FOLLOW THAT, SO THAT'S WHY IT IS FLUID IN THE SPECIFIC PLAN.

IT SAYS THEY NEED TO FOLLOW THE CITY'S CODE, WHICH MEANS IT REQUIRES REVIEW BY ALL DEPARTMENTS AND SAFETY DEPARTMENT AND SOMETIMES EVEN IT HAS TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING TO NOTIFY THE SURROUNDING AREA.

>> GOING BACK TO SAFETY, PUBLIC SAFETY, APPLICANT MENTIONED ABOUT HAVING PARISHIONERS OR VOLUNTEERS HELP WITH TRAFFIC.

WHAT IS OUR CURRENT POLICY WHEN IT COMES TO EVENTS LIKE THAT? DO WE TYPICALLY HAVE THAT OR DO WE OUTSOURCE -- NOT OUTSOURCE, BUT DO WE CONTRACT, WOULD THE APPLICANT OR THE ORGANIZATION CONTRACT WITH

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OUR LOCAL PUBLIC SAFETY POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH THOSE TYPES OF SPECIAL EVENTS AND/OR DEVELOP A TRACK OF PLAN? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A TRAFFIC PLAN, CORRECT?

>> SO THERE WAS NO PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN SUBMITTED.

HOWEVER, LET'S SAY AGAIN FOR THE SAKE OF CONVERSATION THEY WILL HAVE A SPECIAL TEMPORARY USE PERMIT WITH 200 PEOPLE FOR A MEETING, SO THAT WILL COME BEFORE US, WE REVIEW IT.

IF OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, CONSULTANT TRAFFIC ENGINEER THINKS THAT REQUIRES TO HAVE ON-SITE PARKING MANAGEMENT PERSONNEL, THEN IT IS UP TO THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE THAT, AND USUALLY IT'S VERY SPECIFIC OR IT COMES FROM THE POLICE.

IT SAYS YOU NEED TO PROVIDE LICENSED SECURITY PERSONNEL ON-SITE.

SO THAT WOULD BE THERE.

AND SOMETIMES EVEN WE WILL ASK THOSE PLANS TO BE SENT TO US FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY APPROPRIATE STAFF MEMBERS PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF ANY OF THOSE TEMPORARY PERMITS.

BUT IT WILL BE ON THE APPLICANT.

THE CITY WILL PROVIDE WILL NOT PROVIDE POLICE TO MANAGE THE TRAFFIC FOR THEM.

>> AND WHAT'S THE THRESHOLD FOR THAT CAPACITY FOR THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS TO HAVE TO CONSULT OR TO RECOMMEND TO USE OUR PUBLIC SAFETY -- OR TO CONTRACT WITH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS?

>> SO AGAIN, THAT'S VERY SPECIFIC AND VERY -- I'M A PLANNER SO I CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT WHEN IT GOES BEFORE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY WILL SAY THAT, WHEN IT GOES BEFORE THE PLANNING -- OR BEFORE OR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, HE WILL REQUIRE THAT.

I CAN RECALL ONE EVENT THAT WE HAD FOR A CHURCH WITHIN THE CITY OF INDIO YEARS AGO THAT THEY SAID, WE WANT TO PARK ON THE STREET AND THE PATRONS WILL CROSS THE STREET, JUST ONLY CROSSING THE STREET OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER AT THE TIME ASKED THEM TO PUT PERSONNEL TO MANAGE THAT CROSSING, SO JUST LIKE ONE PERSON CROSSING THE STREET REQUIRED THAT.

SO AGAIN, THAT WILL GET REVIEWED BY OUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF THAT THE SAFETY IS THEIR FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT TOPIC.

>> CHAIR, IF I COULD JUST ADD ON THE POLICE SIDE OF YOUR QUESTION.

TYPICALLY POLICE DEPARTMENTS WILL PROVIDE INPUT AND GUIDANCE AND SOMETIMES DIRECTIONS ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY PORTION OR THE SECURITY AND SAFETY PORTION OF THAT.

WE'RE NOT LEGALLY ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES ON-SITE IN TERMS OF ANY PERSONNEL.

THERE ARE PROVISIONS FOR OFF-DUTY POLICE OFFICERS THAT CAN BE CONTRACTED AS AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE ACTIVITY FROM THE REGULAR POLICE OPERATIONS OF THE CITY.

AS LEILA SAID, TYPICALLY THEY WILL CONSULT AND ADVISE BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE AND THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND GIVE INPUT TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT SAFETY AND SECURITY PLAN, BUT THAT'S USUALLY WHERE IT ENDS UNLESS THERE'S A -- AN EFFORT TO CONTRACT WITH OFF-DUTY POLICE PERSONNEL.

>> AND WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE CAP FOR THAT WOULD BE AS FAR AS CAPACITY OR --

>> IT'S SITUATIONAL.

>> SITUATIONAL, OKAY.

>> I HAVE SEEN SMALL EVENTS THAT, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THEM, HAVE NOT REQUIRED ANY CONSIDERATION, AND I'VE SEEN OTHER EVENTS THAT, BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF EVENT OR THE TYPE OF SIZE OF CROWDS ANTICIPATED, THE POLICE SAY, WEIGHTED IT MORE HEAVILY SO IT IS REALLY IS SITUATION PAM I THINK IN THE INSTANCE OF THE CHURCH, FOR EXAMPLE,, IF THEY WERE HOLDING AN EVENT, AS LEILA POINTED OUT, YOU'RE DOING LOOKING AT TRACK OF ISSUES AND DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE EVENT, POLICE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE INPUT INTO THE CONTENT THAT OF EVENT.

>> TO KIND OF LIKE ADD A LITTLE PIECE TO IT, WITHIN THE -- I'M SORRY.

WITHIN THE RESOLUTION APPROVING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, STAFF HAS ADDED THREE OR FOUR CONDITIONS THAT ONE IS WE ARE ASKING THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE FIRST 90 DAYS OF THE OPENING OF THE CHURCH IN PHASE 1.

ALSO, WE ASKED THEM WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE OPENING OF THE CHURCH THEY PROVIDE THE STAFF A REPORT OF THE TRAFFIC AND COMPLAINTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND IF THAT IS SIGNIFICANT, THEN THE CONDITION IS TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO BE PREPARED

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TO ADDRESS THEM.

THERE IS ANOTHER ONE WHICH WE ARE ASKING, WE ARE TELLING THE APPLICANT THAT THE CHURCH AT THE RED DOOR CANNOT RESERVE ANY OFF-STREET PARKING FOR THEIR EVENTS SO THAT NOTHING CAN BE RESERVED FOR AVENUE 49 IF THEY COME BACK WITH A PLAN FOR PARKING MANAGEMENT AND THEY SO AVENUE 49 BEING RESERVED FOR THE CHURCH ACTIVITY.

SO WE ADD THOSE, BUT THAT COMES BEFORE YOU SHOULD THE COUNCIL APPROVE THE SPECIFIC PLAN.

>> OKAY.

I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

>> I HAVE ONE MORE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, CHAIRPERSON LOPEZ.

SO, LEILA, THIS IS PROBABLY MORE FOR STAFF.

SO I KNOW THAT YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS A CHANGE WHAT IS CONSIDERED I GUESS A SPECIAL EVENT AND THE NEED FOR A TEMPORARY LIKE EVENT PERMIT WOULD ONLY COME INTO PLAY BASED ON WHATEVER THE CITY'S STANDARD RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE FOR THOSE TYPES OF PERMITS, CORRECT?

>> CORRECT.

>> OKAY.

SO WHEN I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 8 OUT OF THE 1,322 PAGES THAT WERE SENT TO US, THERE IS A WHOLE SECTION -- I'M TRYING TO FIND WHERE IT IS -- IT TALKS ABOUT TEMPORARY USES ARE AS FOLLOWS: AND WHERE IT LISTS WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO TAKE A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT AND, OF COURSE, YOU MENTIONED TREE SALES, RUMMAGE SALES, I FORGET WHAT THE OTHER ONES HERE, ANY EVENTS THAT INVOLVE MORE THAN 100 PARTICIPANTS OR SPECTATORS, USE OF PARKING FOR LAND -- PARKING AREA FOR LAND USE OTHER THAN PARKING, PUBLIC STREET PARKING BLOCKAGE, REQUIRED PORTABLE BATHROOMS. SO NONE OF THESE APPLY ANYMORE.

IT'S JUST GOING TO BE FOR WHATEVER THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY ARE IN GENERAL.

SO THEY COULD HAVE 200 PEOPLE AT AN EVENT OUTSIDE.

AT THIS POINT IT LOOKS LIKE NO SOUND, NO AMPLIFIED SOUND, BUT THEY WOULD NOT NEED A PERMIT, RIGHT, TO DO THAT.

>> NO.

I'M THINKING -- LET ME OPEN MY STAFF REPORT.

I'M IN A DIFFERENT -- I'M IN A DIFFERENT OFFICE SO I'M NOT AS PREPARED AS THE I SHOULD BE, SO LET ME OPEN MY STAFF REPORT.

I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO PAGE 8, THE REVIEW OF THE SPECIFIC PLAN AND RAISING AN ISSUE WITH IT.

AND THEN IF YOU GO FURTHER, IT SAYS "THE APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED IT BY DOING A, B BE C AND D.

." AS YOU RECALL ON FEBRUARY 10TH WE BROUGHT YOU THE PLAN TO YOU WITH EIGHT OR TEN CONCERNS THE NEWEST STAFF REPORT LISTS THOSE CONCERNS AS PAST TENSE AND ALSO SAID WAS ADDRESSED BY THE APPLICANT.

SO I'M GUESSING YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PAGE THAT IT WAS CAPTURING THE PREVIOUS CONCERN.

AND RIGHT NOW EVERYTHING WILL BE TEMPORARY USE PERMIT BASICALLY OUTDOOR, ITEM 5C-1 WILL NEED TO COME TO THE CITY ON A CASE BY CASE FOR REVIEW.

>> OKAY.

JUST TO MAKE SURE.

THERE ARE SO MANY PAGES ON THIS.

>> I APOLOGIZE.

I TOLD KEVIN, LET ME SHRINK THE STAFF REPORT.

HE DIDN'T LET ME.

>> CAN YOU PUT IN IT PIECES? LITTLE PACKAGES.

>> WE'LL CONSIDER THAT FOR FUTURE PROJECTS.

THAT STEAL A GREAT IDEA.

>> THIS WAS A LITTLE INTENSE BUT THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WASN'T MISSING SOMETHING THERE.

THAT WAS MY LAST QUESTION.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ANY TIME.

>> ONE MORE QUESTION.

SO GOING BACK TO THE AVENUE 49 ACCESS, FOR THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS FOLKS WOULD BE GOING IN AND OUT OF THAT.

THIS IS FOR THE APPLICANT, THE ENGINEER.

>> YES.

IT WILL BE AN ACCESS AVAILABLE FOR THEM TO GO IN AND OUT.

IT'S A FULL ACCESS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE ARE PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, ON

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JEFFERSON AS WELL, SO IT'S AN OPTION.

IT'S ONE OF THE TWO OPTIONS.

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONS HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING THAT THERE ARE NONE, EVELYN, DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> WE DO.

I WILL GO AHEAD AND CALL UPON MR. PETE VON GUARD.

GIVE ME ONE SECOND WHILE I ADMIT HIM.

MR. BON GUARD, CAN YOU HEAR US?

>> I CAN HEAR YOU.

CAN YOU HEAR ME.

>> >> WE CAN.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO PROVIDE ORAL TESTIMONY.

YOU MAY BEGIN.

>> COOL.

MY NAME IS PETER BOND.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU TONIGHT.

I LIVE AT DESERT RIVER ESTATES, 49371 GILA RIVER STREET.

I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 16 YEARS.

I WAS THE ORIGINAL HOMEOWNER.

AND MY WIFE AND I HAVE RESIDED THERE.

WE RAISED TWO CHILDREN THERE.

AND I DRIVE OBVIOUSLY DOWN 49TH STREET ONTO JEFFERSON STREET NUMEROUS TIMES EVERY DAY AND HAVE BEEN DOING SO FOR ABOUT 16 YEARS.

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE USE IS GOING TO END UP BEING FOR THAT PROPERTY ON THE CORNER, AND I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE BEST USE OF THE LAND FOR OUR COMMUNITY CITYWIDE AS WELL AS MY PERSONAL PROPERTY VALUES IN DESERT RIVER.

IN MY OPINION, IT'S CERTAINLY THE LEAST INTRUSIVE USE OF THE PROPERTY.

IN THE EVENT THERE WOULD EVER BECOME MULTI-FAMILY HOMES OR MULTIPLE FAMILY HOMES, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC MITIGATION IF THERE WAS 50 HOMES THERE, THERE WOULD BE AN AWFUL LOT OF TRAFFIC AND THERE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE AN ENTRANCE OFF JEFFERSON, AND SO TRAFFIC OFF OF JEFFERSON HEADING NORTH WOULD BE IMPEDED.

SO I THINK THE WHOLE TRAFFIC PLAN IS FULL ON USABLE, AND I THINK THAT THE USE OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THEY TOOK AWAY ONE OF THE ENTRANCES TO THE HOME AND CONSOLIDATED THAT WITH THE ENTRANCE INTO THE RED DOOR PROPERTY I THINK MEETS A LOT OF THE COMMANDS -- A LOT OF OF THE DEMANDS, I THINK.

AND THEN AS FAR AS THE REDCROSS, I'M ACTUALLY A LITTLE EXCITED ABOUT THAT AS WELL, IT BEING LIT UP FROM THE BOTTOM.

I THINK TO PUT IN IT A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE FOR ME, IF YOU LOOK ON THE WEST SIDE OF JEFFERSON ALL ALONG DOWN THE SIDE OF JEFFERSON OUTSIDE RIGHT ON THE STREET RANCHO LA QUINTA GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN, THERE'S 35-FOOT PLUS POWER POLES ALL ALONG THERE SO IT'S NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY BE THE TALLEST THING IN THAT AREA, AND I THINK IT WILL CERTAINLY HELP TO MAKE THAT CORNER LOOK A MUCH MORE AESTHETICALLY PALATABLE.

ANYWAY, AS YOU CAN TELL, I'M COMPLETELY FOR THIS.

MY WIFE ANN AND I ARE COMPLETELY FOR THIS.

AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO SEE THAT IT GET BUILT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU.

AT THIS POINT I'LL CALL UPON MR. DONALD WILLIAMS. MR. WILLIAMS, CAN YOU HEAR?

>> YEAH, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?

>> WE CAN.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

YOU MAY BEGIN.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU.

MY NAME IS DONALD WILLIAMS. I LIVE IN THE RINCON DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS DIRECTLY NORTH ACROSS AVENUE 49.

BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME.

WHILE A LOT OF ATTENTION HAS BEEN DISPLAYED HERE, I WANT TO FIRST SAY THAT THIS -- THIS USE IS ACTUALLY DESIGNED FOR MAINLY OUTDOOR, A LOT OF OUTDOOR ACTIVITY, SO I AGREE 100% THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO AMPLIFICATION OF ANY COMBINED FOR EXAMPLE, WE CAN HEAR THE CONCERTS GOING ON OVER AT THE POLO GROUND AND ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT THAT BAD, I THINK THAT THAT REQUIREMENT SHOULD TAKE PLACE HERE BECAUSE WE ARE SO CLOSE.

ALTHOUGH THERE'S BEEN -- I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC.

NOW WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF HIGH-POWERED ENGINEERS TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC ACCEPTABILITY AND THINGS, BUT I HAVE LIVE IN RINCON, AND THAT STREET CALLED MALAGA GATE, RINCON IS ALL PUBLIC STREETS.

IT'S OPEN.

MALAGA GATE, THERE'S NO GATE THERE AT ALL.

SO I LOOK AT THIS TRAFFIC PLAN AND HOW YOU EXIT ON THE NORTH SIDE THERE ONTO 49TH.

I DON'T CARE WHAT PEOPLE SAY OR HOW MANY SIGNS YOU HAVE OR HOW MANY THINGS YOU TALK ABOUT, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC WITH 400 CARS COMING OUT HEADING WANTING

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TO GET ON JEFFERSON STREET.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF THEM THAT WANT TO MAY GO MAKE A JOG RIGHT AND JOG LEFT RIGHT INTO RINCON AND EXIT ON OUR OWN WEST SIDE ONTO JEFFERSON AND TOTALLY AVOID THAT TRAFFIC LIGHT AND THE SINGLE LANE THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED THERE.

SO I WANT TO KNOW WHAT MITIGATION HAS BABY PROVIDED BY THE TRAFFIC PEOPLE AND BY THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CARS DON'T DRIVE LEFT AND THEN -- I MEAN, SORRY -- DRIVE RIGHT SOUTH ONTO 49TH AVENUE AND THEN VERY FAST LEFT TURN INTO RINCON AND THEN BYPASS THAT LIGHT COMPLETELY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CAN SAY THAT CAN STOP THAT.

SO I'M ASKING WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE MITIGATION FOR THAT? ARE YOU GOING TO PROVIDE -- YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE.

I'M LOOKING AT IT.

YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE -- IT'S ALMOST RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW.

WHAT MITIGATION ARE YOU PROVIDING TO KEEP THE CARS OUT OF THERE? ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE A TRAFFIC OFFICER STANDING THERE? MAYBE THE CITY SHOULD PROVIDE US WITH A GATE.

THERE'S NO GATE THERE AT ALL, IT'S CITY STREETS.

I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE A GATE PROVIDED AND REMOTE CONTROLS FOR ALL THE RESIDENCES ARE RINCON.

BUT TELL ME WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE WITH ALL THAT GREAT TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, AND YOU ONLY HAVE A SINGLE LANE THERE GOING LEFT TURN ONTO 49TH UP TO JEFFERSON.

YOU'VE GOT A RED LIGHT.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A HECK OF A LOT OF TRAFFIC MAKING THAT JOG.

AND THAT HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED AT ALL.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, ATTENTION HAS BEEN PAID TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS SOUTH -- I'M SORRY -- EAST OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

NOTHING HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AT ALL ABOUT THE EFFECT ON RINCON, AND THAT TRAFFIC THING IS THERE.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF EVENTS WITH MANY PEOPLE, NOT JUST ON SUNDAYS WITH 400 PARKING PLACES THAT I'M HEARING ABOUT THE FAIRS AND THE HALLOWEENS AND ALL THIS STUFF.

I WANT TO HEAR RIGHT TONIGHT WHAT GOES THE MITIGATION BEING PROVIDED TO KEEP THE TRAFFIC OUT OF THERE.

BY THE WAY, DURING EVENTS OVER AT THE POLO GROUNDS WE HAVE CARS PARKING IN RINCON RIGHT THERE ON THE CITY STREETS AND THEY WALK TO THE FAIRGROUNDS, TO THE POLO GROUNDS, SO PARKING COULD BE AN ISSUE.

MY MAIN CONCERN IS THE EXITING PEOPLE MAKING THAT QUICK RIGHT AND QUICK LEFT INTO RINCON BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY TO GET ONTO JEFFERSON WITHOUT HAVING IS THE-TO-STAY AT THAT TRAFFIC LIGHT.

ALL THE TALK, ALL THE SIGNS, ALL THE INFORMATION YOU PROVIDE IS NOT GOING TO STOP THAT.

SO WHAT IS THE MITIGATION? THAT'S MY QUESTION.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MR. WILLIAMS. AND THAT CONCLUDES COMMENTS FOR THIS EVENING.

>> DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANY OTHER -- WOULD YOU LIKE TO ANSWER ANY OR LIKE TO

REBUT ANY OF THE QUESTIONS OR THE COMMENTS THAT THE CONSTITUENTS -- >> ABSOLUTELY.

THIS IS GEORGE AGAIN.

I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS MR. WILLIAMS' COMMENT.

I CAN SEE WHAT -- IT'S SPECULATION THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY EXIT ON 49 AND MAKE A RIGHT TURN AND THEN A LEFT TURN INTO THE RINCON AREA WHICH IS COMPLETELY OUT OF THE WAY.

THE FACT THAT THE ANALYSIS SHOWED WHAT KIND OF LEVEL OF SERVICE WHEN WE GET TO THE SEGMENT ANALYSIS WHICH IS REALLY AT A GOOD LEVEL OF SERVICE AND THE INTERSECTION AT JEFFERSON, WHICH IS OPERATING AT A C LEVEL SERVICE WHICH IS REALLY AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE.

SO WE DON'T HELP AT THAT -- I MEAN I CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT 100% PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING MAKE THAT LEFT TURN, BUT THERE IS COMPLETELY, I BELIEVE THIS IS COMPLETELY OUT OF THE WAY, AND THE FACT THAT THE OPERATION OF THE SIGNAL FRONTING THE PROPERTY IS OPERATING AT A GOOD LEVEL SERVICE, WE ANTICIPATE THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE WILL UTILIZE THAT INTERSECTION TO EXIT NORTHBOUND OR UTILIZE JEFFERSON ACCESS POINT TO ACCESS JEFFERSON ALL THE WAY NORTH.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM WHAT LEILA IS MOVING, THIS IS -- IF YOU WERE TO MAKE A LEFT AND THEN GO ALL THE WAY, IT'S LIKE A MAZE.

YOU'RE GETTING IN.

CAN YOU MOVE UP, LEILA, THE GRAPHIC? YOU'VE GOT TO -- YOU KNOW.

SO THAT'S MY ANSWER.

THAT CONCLUDES MY ANSWER.

THANK YOU.

>> AND JUST TO TAG ONTO THAT, GEORGE, WHEN THIS CONCERN CAME UP, MY WIFE AND I DID THAT.

WE TURNED TO TRY TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING IF IT WOULD MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL AND IT DOESN'T.

IT'S RIDICULOUSLY DIFFICULT TO GET THROUGH THERE AND WHY WOULD ANYONE DO THAT? YOU WOULD BE BETTER OFF 28 FOR THE TRAFFIC QUEUE.

>> EVELYN, DO WE NEED TO READ ANY OF THE COMMENTS?

>> NO.

>> SO IF WE'RE OKAY, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE I

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GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING?

>> I HAVE A QUICK ONE.

EVELYN, I BELIEVE WE RECEIVED QUITE A FEW COMMENTS EITHER STREE A EMAIL OR LETTERS.

PRIOR TO THIS.

DO WE HAVE A SUMMARY THAT WE CAN SHARE FOR THE RECORD PUBLICALLY HOW MANY COMMENTS OF WE RECEIVED? DO WE KNOW HOW MANY WERE FOR AND HOW MANY WERE AGAINST?

>> I DO NOT BUT I CAN CERTAINLY GO AHEAD AND A ACCUMULATE THOSE IN SUPPORT OR IN OPPOSITION OF THAT.

I CAN DO THAT AND EMAIL THAT TO THE COMMISSION.

>> YEAH, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE IT ON THE RECORD JUST BECAUSE SINCE PEOPLE AREN'T COMING OUT AND WE'RE NOT MEETING IN PERSON, IT'S KIND OF HARDER FOR PEOPLE TO REALLY EXPRESS HOW THEY FEEL, AND WHETHER IT'S POSITIVE OR NOT, I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR US TO HAVE THAT ON THE RECORD FOR MEETINGS JUST A SUMMARY, YOU KNOW, THAT TEN PEOPLE, FIVE YES, FIVE AGAINST OR WHATEVER.

JUST FOR FUTURE COMMENT IF WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO THAT NOW.

THANK YOU.

>> MADAME CHAIRPERSON, MAY I ASK SOMETHING HERE?

SO ALL THOSE LETTERS FOR AND AGAINST THE PROJECT IS PART OF THE RECORD.

IT'S PART OF THE STAFF REPORT, JUST TO CLARIFY.

IT IS THERE.

HOWEVER, BECAUSE NORMALLY WE DON'T GO AND SAY WE HAD TEN OPPOSITION AND FIVE, YOU KNOW, FOR, WE DID NOT DO THAT.

BUT I REVIEWED ALL OF THEM.

THE MAJORITY ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE CHURCH AT THE RED DOOR AND THERE ARE SOME THAT THEY ARE AGAINST IT FOR THE REASONS OF TRAFFIC, NOISE AND SOUND AND THINGS -- REASON OF TRAFFIC AND NOISE AND SOUND LIKE THAT.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT WAS SUBMITTED THAT IS NOT MASTER THE RECORD.

AND EVELYN, MS. BELTRAN DID A GREAT JOB ON ADDING EVERYTHING THAT WE RECEIVED AFTER THE AGENDA WAS POSTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS DISTRIBUTED TO THE COMMISSION, TO THE STAFF, TO THE LEGAL TEAM AND ALSO WAS POSTED ONLINE.

>> LEILA, IF I CAN ASK JUST A CLARIFYING BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAD THE COMMENT IN THE PAST FROM FOLKS THAT WERE NOT NECESSARILY RESIDENTS.

I REMEMBER LAST TIME THEY WERE ASKING IF THEY COULD STATE WHERE THEY WERE RESIDING, AND I REMEMBER LISTENING OR HEARING A LOT OF FOLKS THAT WERE FROM OTHER CITIES.

DO YOU RECALL IF THOSE THAT WERE IN THE MAJORITY THAT WERE IN FAVOR WERE ACTUAL RESIDENTS OR STATED THAT'S WERE RESIDENTS OF INDIO?

>> SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT TOUCHY SUBJECT.

SO WE CAN ASK PEOPLE TO STATE THEIR NAME AND GIVE THEIR ADDRESS, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT, SO SOME OF THEM HAVE SAID AND SOME OF TO THEM DON'T.

WE DIDN'T GO BY WHERE DO YOU LIVE THAT WE WANT TO HEAR YOUR COMMENT OR NOT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE DON'T -- WE CAN'T REALLY GO THERE AND SAY, OKAY, WE INVESTIGATED AND THESE WERE IN THE CITY AND THE OTHERS WERE NOT.

SO IF SOMEBODY PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION, WE CAN SHARE IT, BUT IF THEY DON'T WANT TO PROVIDE IT, THAT'S UP TO THEM.

>> WE HAD SOME AS YOU KNOW THEY WERE FROM PALM DESERT, THEY WERE FROM LA QUINTA, THEY FROM INDIO, SO WE HAD PEOPLE FROM EVERY CITY BASICALLY PROVIDE SUPPORT AND ALSO THERE WERE SOME THAT THEY WERE AGAINST THE PROJECT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> MADAME CHAIR, IS IT AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO DISCUSS TWO OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL?

>> I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TALK TO OUR ATTORNEY ABOUT THAT.

ISRA?

>> I APOLOGIZE.

I'M HILL STILL NOT UNMUTING BEFORE I START SPEAKING.

COMMISSIONERS, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO DELIBERATE.

I THINK TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE'S ALREADY A CONCERN FROM THE APPLICANT ABOUT A CONDITION OR TWO, IT WOULD PROBABLY FACILITATE THE CONVERSATION TO HEAR WHAT THOSE CONCERNS ARE, AND AS THE COMMISSION GOES IN TO DELIBERATE, KNOW THOSE CONCERNS AND DECIDE WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR NOT WITH INCLUSION OR SOME MODIFICATION OF THOSE CONDITIONS, SO IT MAKES SENSE TO HEAR THAT.

>> THANK YOU.

SO AT THIS TIME WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DELIBERATE AND THEN -- >> DID YOU WANT

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ME TO START, MADAME CHAIR?

>> HOLD ON.

>> SO THE APPLICANT CAN GO AHEAD AND LET THE COMMISSION KNOW WHICH CONDITIONS RAISE CONCERNS, AND SO THAT WAY WHEN THE COMMISSION BEGINS TO DELIBERATE, YOU KNOW WHAT THE APPLICANT'S POSITION ON THOSE CONDITIONS ARE AND WHETHER THOSE CONDITIONS ARE ACCEPTABLE OR NOT OR WHAT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO DO WITH THOSE THOUGHTS.

>> OKAY.

SO YOU MAY.

>> SO THERE'S TWO CONDITIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH THE COMMISSION.

THE FIRST CONDITION ABOUT THE SOUND AMPLIFICATION AND SECOND ABOUT THE PROHIBITION OF GRASS.

AND ON THE SOUND AMPLIFICATION, I'D JUST LIKE TO EXPLAIN A FEW THINGS AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO OUR PASTOR WHO WILL CLARIFY A FEW OTHER THINGS.

SO IN DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF WE WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACTS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM NOISE.

SO WHEN STAFF LET US KNOW THAT THIS WAS AN ISSUE, WE REWROTE THE CONDITION THAT ANY TIME AMPLIFICATION EQUIPMENT WOULD BE USED, THAT IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A TEMPORARY EVENT PERMIT WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING IN THE METHOD OF AMPLIFICATION AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR OR HIS OR HER DESIGNEE WOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT AND THEN ALSO DETERMINE WHAT THE MAXIMUM VOLUME IS.

AND IT WOULD BE JUDGED ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS, AND IN SOME CASES IT COULD BE DENIED, BUT IT WOULD GO THROUGH A TEMPORARY EVENT PERMIT PROCESS, AND EACH SITUATION WOULD BE EVALUATED ON ITS OWN MERITS, AND WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A GOOD COMPROMISE TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S STILL A LEVEL OF -- A QUIET LEVEL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT THIS WOULDN'T DISTURB THEM THAT MUCH.

AND WITH THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO PASTOR RANDY TO TALK ABOUT A FEW OTHERS THINS AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT GRASS.

>> OKAY.

THANK YOU, RICH.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME HERE TONIGHT.

MY BIGGEST -- OUR BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THE SOUND AMPLIFICATION IS A COMPLETE PROHIBITION SEEMS A BIT EXCESSIVE.

THERE'S NOT MANY OPPORTUNITIES NOW THAT THE AMPHITHEATER HAS BEEN ELIMINATED, NOT MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO HAVE ANYTHING ANYTHING OUTDOORS BUT I CAN IMAGINE A FEW, FOR EXAMPLE, A WEDDING, AND PARTICULARLY IF THERE'S ANY TRAFFIC NOISE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO TRY TO CONDUCT A WEDDING WITHOUT ANY MICROPHONE SEEMS TO ME A BIT RESTRICTIVE.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE -- I WOULD JUST LIKE TO OFFER THAT THE COMMISSIONERS CONSIDER WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED, WHICH IS TO HAVE EVERY TIME THAT ANY AMPLIFICATION WOULD BE USED OUTDOORS, IT TAKES A TEMPORARY EVENT PERMIT, AND, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S DENIED, THEN I'M OKAY WITH THAT, BUT TO NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT A CASE JUST SEEMS A LITTLE RESTRICTIVE TO ME AND I CAN ENVISION A FEW TIMES WHEN THERE MIGHT BE SOME ACTIVITY OUTSIDE WHERE A MICROPHONE WOULD HELP WITH THE PARTICULAR PARTICIPANTS.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS -- I'M SORRY, MR. RICH.

DID YOU ALSO WANT TO CLOSE?

>> THANK YOU, CHAIR LOPEZ.

THE SECOND ISSUE HAD TO DO WITH THE TOTAL PROHIBITION OF GAS -- I MEAN GRASS, AND I'D LIKE TO TURN THAT OVER TO OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, MR. CHRIS HERMANN.

>> THANKS, RICH.

I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONDITION OF PROHIBITION OF TURF GRASS TO STATE THAT IT FOLLOWS THE INDIO WATER GUIDELINES ON STATE 1881 MODEL EFFICIENT LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE WHICH THE AGENCY FOLLOWS AND APPROVES FOR EVERY PROJECT IN THE CITY OF INDIO OF THIS SCALE, AND IT ALLOWS IT FOR TURF BUT A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF TURF AND IT'S ALL BASED UPON HOW MUCH WATER CONSUMPTION IS GOING OUT INTO THE LANDSCAPE, AND WE PROVIDE THOSE CALCULATIONS WHEN THE PLANS ARE SUBMITTED.

AND THEY WON'T BE APPROVED UNLESS THEY MEET WITH THOSE GUIDELINES.

SO I THINK A FAIR ASSESSMENT TO IS TO FOLLOW THE SAME GUIDELINES THAT ARE USED FOR THAT THAT ARE USED FOR OTHER PROJECTS IN THE CITY.

>> ANY FURTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO AHEAD AND DELIBERATE?

>> THANK YOU FOR THE STAFF'S TIME AND THEIR WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH US, AND THANK

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YOU TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR DEVOTION IN LOOKING FOR THE BEST SOLUTION FOR THE COMMUNITY.

>> THANK YOU.

SO JUST AGAIN, WE WENT AHEAD AND CLOSED THE HEARING.

SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START OUR COMMENTS AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS.

SO WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST?

>> I GUESS I CAN GET STARTED.

I GUESS IN REGARDS TO THE AMPLIFYING OR THE DISCUSSION OF THE CONDITIONS THAT THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, I THINK I HEAR THAT CONCERNS OF THE APPLICANT AND CAN SEE WHY THEY THINK THAT IT MIGHT BE PROBLEMATIC.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE GRASS AND THE TURF, I THINK IT'S A MUCH MORE SENSITIVE CONVERSATION, AND I THINK ASKING FOR THAT LIMITATION IS QUITE REASONABLE KNOWING THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING A DROUGHT WITH MORE RESTRICTIONS LIKE I IMAGINE WILL BE COMING, MORE RESTRICTIONS, GOING TO BE COMING SHORTLY FROM THE STATE, AND I IMAGINE FROM THE CITY, AND I KNOW THE CITY HAS BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB INCENTIVIZING THE RESIDENTS TO GO WITH A DESERT LANDSCAPE IN CONTRAST TO GRASS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I GET REALLY EXCITED WHEN WE SEE THOSE POSTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES BEING UPLIFTED FOR TAKING ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY.

IN REGARDS TO THE COMMENTS TO TAKE THOSE RESTRICTIONS OFF, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I'M IN SUPPORT WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

I'M STILL A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN AND, YOU KNOW, NOT SO SURE THAT IT NECESSARILY IS IN LINE WITH THE SAME STANDARDS THAT WE HOLD A LOT OF OTHER APPLICANTS WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR SIGNAGE.

I FEEL WE'RE CONSISTENTLY GOING BACK AND SAYING SHORTER, SHORTER AND NOT SO PRESSING WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE AESTHETICS OF THE COMMUNITIES.

ONE THING THAT I DID WANT TO JUST MENTION ABOUT THE CONDITIONS, I KNOW THAT FOLKS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE AMPLIFICATION, I THINK THAT LIKE IT COULD BE A SMALL WEDDING BUT THERE'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MUCH LARGER EVENTS AND GATHERINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN SINCE IT'S A PRETTY BIG CHURCH, AND IT'S BEING CATERED TO HOST QUITE AN AMOUNT OF PEOPLE, SO I THINK BY PUTTING THESE RESTRICTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF I THINK IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE FOR ME AND I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULD GO AGAINST IT.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ.

COMMISSIONER FRANZ.

>> I SHOULD GO LAST SINCE I TALK THE MOST.

YOU KNOW.

I, I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.

PEOPLE THAT PURCHASED IN RINCON, PEOPLE THAT PURCHASED IN DESERT RIVER ESTATE HAVE A CERTAIN LIFESTYLE THAT THEY'VE BECOME ACCUSTOMED TO.

IT'S A QUIET AREA OF OUR CITY.

SO I'M STILL HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH THE AVENUE 49 IMPACT.

I JUST DON'T SEE THAT STREET BEING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS KEEP TELLING ME EVERYTHING WILL BE ALL RIGHT, BUT I ALSO LISTENED TO MR. WILLIAMS WHO LIVES ACROSS THE STREET, AND HE CAN FORESEE SOMEBODY GETTING IMPATIENT AND MAKING THAT TRIP AND PEOPLE PARK THERE WHEN THEY SHOULDN'T PARK THERE, AND PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS FOLLOW THE SIGNS OR DIRECTIONS.

WE ALL KNOW THAT.

WE WISH EVERYBODY DID, BUT THEY DON'T.

THE TURF ISSUE, I GUESS I THINK THAT IF THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE IWA WATER BILL, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT.

I KNOW THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT GRASS IS BETTER FOR THAN ARTIFICIAL TURF, SO I CAN KIND OF SEE THE NEED FOR THAT.

THE SOUND AMPLIFICATION, I REALLY, I REALLY WORRY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE VERY CLOSE SO I'M LEANING MORE TO NO AMPLIFICATION.

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AND THOSE PRETTY MUCH MY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FRANZ.

COMMISSIONER YSIANO.

VICE CHAIR.

>> YEAH, I'M ALSO IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR NO AMPLIFICATION.

IF THE -- IN THE CHURCH IS BUILT INDOORS FOR LARGE CAPACITIES, I DON'T SEE WHY EVENTS SUCH AS WEDDINGS AND THINGS COULD BE HELD INDOORS AS WELL.

I WOULD DEFINITELY BE SENSITIVE TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AS FAR AS THE SOUND GOES.

I DO FEEL THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ON A SUNDAY MORNING WOULD DEFINITELY BE LOWER, YOU KNOW.

AND AS FAR AS THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THOSE STREETS, AND TO ENTER, TO MAKE A RIGHT OUT ONTO 49 AND NAVIGATE THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD REQUIRE ABOUT FIVE OR SIX RIGHT AND LEFTS TO GET OUT TO JEFFERSON STREET, SO I DO AGREE THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE EASIEST JUST TO WAIT AND EXIT LEFT ON 49 OR TO EXIT THROUGH THE JEFFERSON EXIT.

AS FAR AS THE SIGN GOES, I THINK 35 FEET IS AN APPROPRIATE COMPROMISE.

ORIGINALLY I FELT THAT THE 70 OR 80 FEET THAT WAS BEING REQUESTED WAS QUITE LARGE FOR THE AREA.

THERE WOULD BE NOTHING ELSE IN THE CITY EVEN CLOSE TO THAT TALL.

I GUESS I KIND OF AGREE WITH LEILA'S ASSESSMENT THAT IT DOESN'T FALL UNDER THE

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TRADITIONAL DEFINITION OF THE SIGNAGE FOR THE CITY, MAYBE MORE OF AN ART PIECE.

AND THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER YSIANO.

I AM, AGAIN I WANT TO JUST THANK THE APPLICANT FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND STAFF.

I AM ALSO IN AGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER FRANZ.

I BOUGHT MY FIRST HOME OVER ON 49TH STREET.

I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH AVENUE 49 AND SOME OF THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION THAT HAPPENS.

I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE SAFETY COMING OUT OF AVENUE 49.

I THINK THE WORD "SPECULATION" WAS A LITTLE -- I HAVE SEEN FOLKS GO INTO THE OTHER LANE BECAUSE TRAFFIC IS SLOW, ESPECIALLY DURING THE FESTIVALS, AND I JUST FEEL THAT THAT CORRIDOR DOES NOT REALLY -- WOULD NOT BE -- IT WOULD BE A TRAFFIC HAZARD TO SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE OVER AT RINCON.

I HAVE MET WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS IN RINCON AND DESERT RIVER ESTATES AND THE ROAD HOMES ACROSS THE STREET, AND THEY ALSO ARE VERY SENSITIVE AND VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, AGAIN OFF AVENUE 49.

AGAIN, REGARDING THE SOUND, LIVING OFF OF AVENUE 49 NORTH YOU CAN HEAR.

I CAN HEAR FROM THE COACHELLA FESTIVAL TO WHEN I WAS AT -- AND I WAS OUT GETTING GROCERIES A RALPH'S SUPERMARKET AND YOU CAN HEAR SOME OF THE PRIVATE HOMES AND ESTATES FROM FAR AWAY, EVEN AS FAR AS ACROSS THE STREET OVER IN LA QUINTA -- THE SOUND AND THE AMPLIFICATION.

SO I GUESS FOR ME I WOULD JUST SAY IT'S MY RECOMMENDATION, AND I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE ASSESSMENT SUPPLEMENTAL ENVIRONMENT SPECIFIC PLAN PHASE 1, 2, 3 AND 4.

>> JACKIE, YOU MADE A MOTION TO DENY RESOLUTION 1978? IS THAT THE ONE?

>> YES.

>> JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

>> IF WE COULD EMPLOYEES HAVE ROLL CALL.

>> CHAIRPERSON LOPEZ.

>> YES.

>> VICE CHAIRPERSON YSIANO.

>> NO.

>> COMMISSIONER CEJA.

>> I'LL ABSTAIN.

>> MOTION DIES.

>> MOTION DIES?

>> DOES IT PASS? I'M SORRY.

>> I WILL ASK -- >> COMMISSIONERS, IN ORDER TO MOVE THIS TO THE COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION, YOU NEED TO HAVE THREE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION THAT'S PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION, SO IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THREE, THREE VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, THE MOTION DIES.

SO IN THIS CASE YOU HAVE A NO AND AN ABSTENTION.

>> AND THAT'S WHAT KILLED IT.

OKAY.

>> SO, COMMISSION, JUST TO ASSIST YOU, THE MOTION FAILED WHICH MEANS THAT YOU NOW HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER ANOTHER MOTION.

ONE OF YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION, AND IF YOU OBTAIN A SECOND AND IT CAN BE VOTED UPON, WHATEVER THAT MOTION MIGHT BE.

BUT RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TWO RESOLUTIONS IN FRONT OF YOU THAT YOU NEED TO CONSIDER IN ORDER THAT THEY'RE PRESENTED ON THE SCREEN.

SO AT THIS TIME IT'S THE COMMISSION'S DISCRETION ON HOW YOU WANT TO PROCEED.

>> JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE ARE THREE MOTIONS, RESOLUTION 1978 FOR ENVIRONMENTAL RESOLUTION, 1979 FOR THE SPECIFIC PLAN, AND THE RESOLUTION 1980 FOR THE TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP.

THE RESOLUTIONS ARE LONG SO I HAD THE PUT THEM INTO A SLIDE BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THREE RESOLUTIONS.

I APOLOGIZE.

>> THANK YOU, LEILA.

GOOD CLARIFICATION.

LET ME CORRECT THE RECORD.

YOU HAVE THREE RESOLUTIONS YOU NEED TO ACT ON, EACH INDIVIDUALLY IN TERMS OF ANY MOTION ACTION.

>> SINCE THERE IS NO ACTION, WHAT IS OUR RECOURSE?

>> I WOULD ASK THE ISN'T IT CITY ATTORNEY TO WEIGH IN ON AND PROVIDE POSSIBLE LEGAL OPTIONS FOR YOU.

IF ISRA COULD RESPOND.

>> CERTAINLY.

MADAME CHAIR, AT THIS POINT WE HAVE A MOTION THAT FAILED, AND SO THE COMMISSION IS FREE TO CONTINUE DELIBERATING.

IT MAY BE THAT YOU HAVE ALL LISTENED TO THE STAFF REPORT AND READ THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WERE NOT PRESENTED TODAY AND HEARD THE ONE THAT -- AND REVIEWED THE ENTIRE DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW.

PERSUASION IS CERTAINLY AN OPTION IF THERE'S A VIEWPOINT THAT ONE ARE MORE COMMISSIONERS HAS THAT NOW IS THE TIME TO AIR MAYBE SOME OF THAT OUT, BRING IT FORWARD, SEE IF THERE'S CONDITIONS THAT MAY BE PLACED OR MAY BE DELETED.

THAT MIGHT CHANGE A FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S MIND SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, AND I WILL REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S MOVING TO THE CITY COUNCIL ANYHOW.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS ARTICULATING TO THE CITY COUNCIL YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF A BODY.

HOPEFULLY THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, AND IF WE TRY AND FAIL A NUMBER OF TIMES, WE MIGHT CONVEY TO THE COUNCIL THAT THE COMMISSION WAS DEADLOCKED.

>> AND SO IF I COULD ADD ONE ADDITIONAL THING, I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION ALSO HAS THE OPTION TO CONTINUE ITS DELIBERATIONS TO A REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OR A SPECIFIED MEETING DATE IF THEY'RE UNABLE OR UNWILLING TO TAKE ANY ACTION THIS EVENING.

IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

THANK YOU.

>> SO IF VICE CHAIR HAS ANY SUGGESTIONS OR WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND LEAVE IT AS DEADLOCKED.

>> I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE TO GO FROM HERE.

BEING THAT SO FAR WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND, A NO, AND A ABSTAIN, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING REALLY CHANGING.

I THINK WE HAVE ALL LISTENED TO A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATED.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY CHANGES TO ANY OF THESE RESOLUTIONS THAT MIGHT SWAY

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ONE OR A COUPLE OF US TOWARDS THE OTHER DIRECTION AT THIS POINT.

>> COMMISSIONER FRANZ.

>> I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION, I MEAN, COMMISSIONER CEJA, I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT YOU ABSTAINED, SO IS THERE ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR YOU WERE LOOKING FOR FOR EITHER A YEA OR A NAY.

>> I THINK HONESTLY IT COMES DOWN TO MIXED MESSAGES FROM THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS SO PASSIONATELY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I NECESSARILY HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF HOW THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE SURROUNDING ARE REALLY FEELING ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE SEEN ARE SPECIFICALLY FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, AND IT'S MY -- IT'S MY IMPRESSION THAT A LOT OF FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN IN FAVOR OF THIS ARE BOTH FROM RESIDENTS AND FROM RESIDENTS OUTSIDE OF INDIO.

SO I THINK JUST AT THE MOMENT I DIDN'T -- I DON'T FEEL THAT I HAVE QUITE MADE UP MY MIND TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT, BUT I ALSO DON'T FEEL THAT I AM IN A FOGS DENY THE PROJECT.

I DON'T THINK THAT THE PROJECT IS BY ANY MEANS NECESSARILY -- IF THAT IS CLARIFYING.

OR MAYBE IT MIGHT NOT BE.

>> SO I JUST NEED TO CLARIFY.

WE ARE NOT APPROVING OR DENYING THE PROJECT.

WE ARE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.

SO WHETHER WE SAY YEA OR NAY, FINAL DECISION IS GOING TO REST WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, JUST TO CLARIFY.

SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO, WE'RE NOT APPROVING OR DENYING THE PROJECT.

WE'RE JUST MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS.

>> NO, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AGAIN, I JUST THINK THAT FOR ME TO STAND BEHIND AND SAY THAT I DO WANT -- THAT I DO WANT TO RECOMMEND FOR COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE PROJECT IS JUST WHERE I'M HAVING A BIT OF A HARD TIME RECONCILING.

SINCE WE'RE STILL -- THIS IS STILL DELIBERATION, I'M ACTUALLY CURIOUS TO HEAR WHERE YOU ALL STAND AS FAR AS THINKING THAT THIS PROJECT SHOULD GO FORWARD OR NOT.

MAYBE THAT'S WHERE I MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE A BETTER GRASP OR A SENSE OF YOU ALL WERE ABLE TO MAKE UP YOUR MINDS AND I'M STILL ON THE FENCE.

I'M JUST CURIOUS.

>> COMMISSIONERS, IF I MAY, YOU KNOW, THE FORM OF THE RECOMMENDATION, WHETHER IT'S TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DENIAL MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A DENIAL, THE ABSENCE OF SOME STANDARD OR FEATURE IN THE ABSENCE OF A CERTAIN STANDARD OR FEATURE, THE COMMISSION IS UNABLE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR, IN THE REVERSE, THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT COMES BACK TO THE COUNCIL WITH CERTAIN FEATURES MAYBE OR TO BE BETTER PREPARED TO DISCUSS CERTAIN THINGS, IT COULD TAKE THOSE SORTS OF FORMS WHEN YOU FORM YOUR RECOMMENDATION EITHER WAY AND THE STAFF COULD WORK ON A RESOLUTION THAT CONVEYS THAT MESSAGING, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, THE EXACT RESOLUTION THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IN THE PACKET.

THAT'S A STARTING POINT.

THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER BY STAFF.

BUT IF THERE'S A CERTAIN CONDITION THAT BOTHERS YOU OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT YOU CAN CONVEY TO THE COUNCIL, BECAUSE OF THIS REASON OR THAT REASON YOU CAN OR YOU CAN'T RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DENIAL, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE AS WELL.

>> OKAY.

I MEAN, I THINK MY POSITION IS PRETTY OBVIOUS.

MY BIGGEST CONCERN AND HAS BEEN FROM DAY ONE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT TO AVENUE 49.

THE IMPACT TO THOSE GATES TO ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO -- THE IMPACT ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT THEY HAVE BECOME ACCUSTOMED TO, AND WHEN THEY PURCHASED THEIR HOME THAT'S WHAT THEY DID, AND WE KNOW THAT THAT CORNER WILL SOME DAY BE DEVELOPED, BUT I'M NOT -- AND AGAIN, THERE'S SOME GREAT THINGS ABOUT THIS PROJECT, SO IT ISN'T LIKE I DON'T THINK IT'S GOT SOME GREAT FEATURES.

I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT I'M READY TO RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL THAT THEY APPROVE IT.

NOW, AGAIN, IT'S BACK TO COUNCIL.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M FEELING COMFORTABLE MAKING IT CLEAR THAT THAT IS MY MAIN

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CONCERN.

AND AGAIN I UNDER WE'VE DONE THE STUDIES.

WE HAVE DONE ALL THE THINGS THAT IT DOESN'T -- DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK OUT THAT WAY.

BEE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MITIGATE THAT IMPACT BEFORE I CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

BUT AGAIN I'M JUST ONE VOTE.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MAYBE FROM VICE CHAIR YSIANO.

WHAT IS HE THINKING? WHAT PARTS ARE GOOD FOR HIM AND WHAT PARTS ARE STICKY, IF ANY.

>> AS FAR AS THE IMPACTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, I FEEL A CHURCH BEING PREDOMINANTLY ONE DAY A WEEK, I FEEL THAT THAT WOULD HAVE LESSER IMPACT THAN HAD SOMEBODY DECIDED TO DEVELOP A SHOPPING CENTER OR A STRIP MALL OR RESTAURANT OR, YOU KNOW, A SCHOOL OR ANYTHING ELSE THERE.

I DO UNDERSTAND AND HAVE SOME CONCERNS IN REGARDS TO THE TRAFFIC ON 49 AND JEFFERSON.

BEING THAT THERE'S THE NEW LIGHT THERE INSTALLED ON 49 AND JEFFERSON, I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, CHURCHES, MAYBE EVEN IF THEY DID A COUPLE OF SERVICES, IT WOULD HELP CUT DOWN ON ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING AND GOING AT ONCE.

I JUST FEEL THAT IT'S A GOOD PROJECT FOR THE AREA AND THAT IT WON'T AFFECT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AS MUCH AS OTHER PROJECTS PERHAPS MIGHT, AND I DO AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE AMPLIFICATION AND THE SIGNAGE.

I DO SEE A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM INDIO RESIDENTS AND SOME SUPPORT FROM INDIO RESIDENTS IN THOSE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL AS SOME OPPOSED, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF THE SUPPORT IS COMING FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY OF INDIO AS WELL AS, BUT EVERY CHURCH IN THE VALLEY HAS CONGREGATION FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY THAT IT'S ACTUALLY IN AS WELL, SO I'VE TAKEN ALL THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

AND IN THE END IT'S GOING TO CITY COUNCIL EITHER WAY.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE ALL GOING TO GET THREE OUT OF FOUR OF US TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE AT THIS POINT.

>> OKAY.

AND I'LL CLARIFY MY EARLIER COMMENTS.

A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE REQUIRES THREE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES.

IF THE BREAKDOWN IS ANY DIFFERENT WEEK WE CAN MEMORIALIZE A RESOLUTION WITH LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THERE WAS TWO RECOMMENDING DENIAL, AND I ENCOURAGE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS TO AT LEAST WEIGH IN WITH A VOTE.

THE LAW ENCOURAGES PARTICIPATION SO THAT WE HAVE FULL WEIGH-IN WITH THE EXCEPTION OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, SO THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON HAVING EACH COMMISSIONER VOTE, BUT SEEING AS HOW THERE'S FOUR COMMISSIONERS, IF IT END UP BEING 2-2 RECOMMENDING DENIAL, THAT'S FINE.

THAT CAN GO TOTE COUNCIL THE WAY THAT IT IS.

IT'S THE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL THAT REQUIRES THREE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES THERE.

>> SO I THINK WE'RE AT AN IMPASSE.

I WOULD SAY WE'RE AT AN IMPASSE.

>> WE COULD TRY ANOTHER VOTE, AND IF IT GOES 2-2 AT LEAST WE RECORD THE VOTE, MAYBE.

IS THAT THE WHAT THE ATTORNEY WAS RECOMMENDING WE DO AT THIS POINT OR AM I MISREADING THAT?

>> YES.

I THINK WE DID THE LAST ROLL CALL VOTE AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT PERHAPS IN DIFFERENT COMMISSIONERS WEIGHING IN AS TO THEIR REASONING TO PERHAPS PERSUADE, AND SO HAVING CONCLUDE THAT HAD DISCUSSION, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND REDO THE VOTE, AND IF THE MOTION IS TO DENY, HOWEVER IT FALLS IS OKAY.

WE CAN SEND THAT UP TO THE COUNCIL.

IT'S THE REVERSE SITUATION THAT I INTENDED TO CONVEY, THAT IF THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE, YOU NEED THREE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES TO MEMORIALIZE THAT, THAT RECOMMENDATION PURSUANT TO SOME GOVERNMENT CODE PROVISIONS THAT APPLY TO THE SPECIFIC PLAN.

>> OKAY.

>> SO I WILL MAKE THE MOTION AGAIN TO DENY ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT 20-05-548, SPECIFIC -- THE CHURCH AT THE RED DOOR.

DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THE ENTIRE THING?

>> DO YOU WANT TO DO ALL THREE AT ONCE OR DO YOU WANT TO DO EACH OF THE RESOLUTIONS INDEPENDENTLY?

>> YOU SHOULD DO EACH THREE OF THE RESOLUTIONS INDEPENDENTLY, CHAIR AND REFERENCE THE RESOLUTION NUMBER FOR THE RECORD SO IT'S CLEAR WHICH ONE YOU'RE VOTING ON.

>> MADAME CHAIRPERSON, DO YOU SEE MY SCREEN IN I HAVE EVERYTHING THERE.

THE RESOLUTION.

YOU CAN SEE?

>> NO, I CAN SEE IT, YES.

>> OKAY.

SO AS SOON AS YOU READ THESE, I'LL GO TO THE NEXT PAGE WHICH HAS THE THIRD RESOLUTION FOR THE MAP.

>> OKAY.

SO THEN I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO DENY RESOLUTION 1978.

>> DO WE NEED TO READ THE WHOLE THING?

>> YES.

YOU SHOULD READ IT INTO THE RECORD JUST SO IT'S CLEAR FOR THE RECORD, SO THE MOTION -- IS THE PERSON MAKING THE RECORD.

>> MOTION TO DENY RESOLUTION 1978, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF INDIO, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING THE CITY OF INDIO APPROVE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT 20-05-548 AND ADOPT A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND MITIGATION MONITORING AND REPORTING PROGRAM FOR THE CHURCH AT THE RED DOOR PROJECT FOR THE 13.07-ACRE VACANT PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF JEFFERSON STREET

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AND AVENUE 49.

>> I'LL SECOND.

>> ROLL CALL.

>> DO WE HAVE ROLL CALL?

>> YES, PLEASE.

>> OH, YES.

>> VICE CHAIRPERSON YSIANO.

>> NO.

>> COMMISSIONER FRANZ.

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER CEJA.

MOTION TO DENY RESOLUTION 1979, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF INDIO, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING THE CITY OF INDIO ADOPT THE CHURCH AT THE RED DOOR SPECIFIC PLAN 20-05-40 TO ESTABLISH ZONING REGULATIONS, DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, AND DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE 13.07-ACRE PROPERTY, VACANT PROPERTY, PROJECT SITE, LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF JEFFERSON STREET AND AVENUE 49.

>> I'LL SECOND.

>> ROLL CALL.

>> CHAIRPERSON LOPEZ.

>> YES.

>> VICE CHAIRPERSON YSIANO.

>> NO.

>> COMMISSIONER FRANZ.

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER CEJA.

>> NO.

>> MOTION CARRIES 2-2.

>> NEXT SLIDE.

AGAIN A MOTION TO DENY 1980, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF INDIO, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING THE CITY OF INDIO APPROVE TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP 37837 -- I'M DOING THIS FROM MY -- SUBDIVIDE 13.07-ACRE PROJECT INTO TWO PARCELS AND ACCOMMODATE DEVELOPMENT OF A WORSHIP CENTER TO BE LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF JEFFERSON AND AVENUE 49.

>> I'LL SECOND.

>> ROLL CALL.

>> CHAIRPERSON LOPEZ.

>> YES.

>> VICE CHAIR YSIANO.

>> NO.

>> CEJA.

>> NO.

>> COMMISSIONER FRANZ.

>> YES.

>> MOTION CARRIES 2-2.

>> OKAY.

DO I NEED TO READ THE A AND B AS WELL, ISRA?

>> THESE TWO ITEMS ARE RECOMMENDED CONTINUATIONS OF THE PENDING ITEMS UNTIL THE COUNCIL DECIDES THE SPECIFIC PLAN, AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT MOVE FORWARD AS STAFF PROVIDES THERE BELOW, AND WE CAN DO THE BALANCE IN THE MOTION.

>> MADAME CHAIR, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION OF EITHER MR. -- >> ACTUALLY, RICH, YOU CAN'T.

THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS CLOSED.

SORRY.

YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO COMMENT RIGHT NOW UNLESS THE CHAIR IS GOING TO REOPEN.

MYAL APOLOGIES FOR INTERRUPTING YOU BUT PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS CLOSED.

CAN I, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY SHAH, WOULD YOU FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD JUST

[02:35:05]

REITERATE THE COMMISSION'S ACTION ON ALL THREE COMMISSIONS.

>> CERTAINLY.

SO THE COMMISSION CONSIDERED A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE LAST THREE RESOLUTIONS AND THE VOTE WAS 2-2, WHICH MEANS THAT THE COMMISSION TOOK NO ACTION ON ALL OF THOSE ITEMS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRPERSON LOPEZ, CAN I ASK A QUESTION HERE? IT LOOKS LIKE WE NEED TO MAKE THE MOTION TO CONTINUE RESOLUTION 1981 AND 1982.

IS THAT CORRECT?

>> WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE A MOTION ON IT.

WE WILL JUST HAVE THAT COME BACK ON A DAY AFTER THE SPECIFIC PLAN IS APPROVED, WHETHER IT IS OR NOT.

AT THIS POINT WE HAVE NO ACTION ON THE PREVIOUS THREE.

SO WE'RE FINE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> IS THERE ANOTHER ACTION WE CAN MAKE ON THIS, ISRA?

>> THAT IS IT.

>> I GUESS THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO STAFF REPORT.

STAFF ITEMS.

>> SORRY ABOUT THAT.

SO JUST ONE REPORT THAT I WANTED TO GIVE.

[10. STAFF ITEMS]

AT SEVERAL PREVIOUS COMMISSION MEETINGS YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT THE THE STATUS OF DUTCH BROS PROJECT ON HIGHWAY 111.

THAT IS PROGRESSING.

YOU HAVE SEEN THAT IT'S GONE VERTICAL, AND WE DID HAVE A MEETING RECENTLY WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF DUTCH BROTHERS TO TALK ABOUT A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE INITIAL OPENING.

I KNOW THAT MANY OF YOU HAVE WATCHED THE OPENING ACTIVITIES OF THE LA QUINTA DUTCH BROS SO WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM.

WE HAVE MET WITH THEM.

THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND THEY SUBMITTED KIND OF A CONCEPTUAL TRAFFIC MANAGE MANAGEMENT PLAN TO US THAT WE GET FEEDBACK ON AND THEY'RE REVISING IT SO THAT WHEN THE OPENING DAY COMES, WHICH I ANTICIPATE WILL PROBABLY BE MID-SUMMERRISH, WE WILL BE WELL PREPARED AND THE CITY WILL HAVE HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE INPUT AND GIVEN ADVICE ADVICE TO COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THERE IS A REDUCTION OF IMPACT TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE SO THAT TRAFFIC OPERATIONS FOR THE SURROUNDING PUBLIC STREET SYSTEMS ARE HOPEFULLY NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACTED, SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE I DO NOT BEEN ASKING ABOUT THAT.

LEILA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO REPORT?

>> NO, THANK YOU.

I DON'T HAVE ANY ITEM TO REPORT TONIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[11. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS]

>> COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.

>> I JUST REALLY WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO STAFF, TO EVELYN, TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY.

MEETINGS LIKE THIS ARE -- THEY'RE HARD.

AND WITHOUT YOUR GUIDANCE, THEY WOULD BE A LOT HARDER.

SO I REALLY DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR THAT.

AND THANK YOU FOR THE APPLICANT.

I WISH THEM LUCK WITH THE COUNCIL.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE STAFF.

I KNOW IT'S REALLY TOUGH.

IT'S ALMOST 9:00 P.M.

AND ME HOLDING BACK IS NOT HELPING, AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS FOR BEARING WITH ME AND, YOU KNOW, I WILL REALLY -- I AM REALLY THANKFUL FOR ALL OF YOUR TIME, AND I KNOW IT'S VERY VALUABLE.

THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANTS FOR ALLOWING US TO THINK ABOUT THESE PROJECTS WITHIN OUR CITY.

>> THANK YOU.

AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BY THE WAY.

>> HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

>> IF THAT'S ALL, AGAIN I WANT TO THANK ISRA FOR COMING AND AND ANSWERING AND BEING AVAILABLE TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD AND GUIDING ME THROUGH THIS PROCESS TODAY, AND THAT WAS A FIRST, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND TO STAFF AND TO LEILA AND EVERYONE.

AND WITH THAT I'LL GO AHEAD, IF ANYONE -- NICCO, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.

>> NO FURTHER COMMENTS.

I'LL ENTERTAIN THAT MOTION.

>> DO I HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>> CHAIRPERSON LOPEZ?

>> YES.

>> VICE CHAIRPERSON YSIANO.

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER FRANZ.

>> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER CEJA.

[02:40:02]

>> YES.

>> MOTION CARRIES 4-0.

THANK YOU.

>> GOOD NIGHT, EVERYONE.

>> THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.

>> GOOD NIGHT AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> GOOD NIGHT, COMMISSIONERS.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Apr 28, 2021 Planning Commission

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