[1. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL]
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>> YAY, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.
THIS IS A MEETING OF THE CITY OF INDIA OCTOBER 6.
IT IS OF THE CITY COUNSEL AND IT IS A STUDY SESSION.
CLIENT MEETING TO ORDER AT 3.02.
NUMBER ALL MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL ARE PRESENT.
PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
PLACE YOUR HAND OVER YOUR HEART.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THIS IS TIME SET ASIDE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? CITY CLERK?
>> NO COMMENTS AT MOMENT MAYOR WORKS OKAY WILL MOVE ON TITLE NUMBER 4.
[4a. A City Council Study Session for Discussion and Possible Direction on the following: Short- Term Rental Ordinance (Roxanne Diaz, City Attorney & Jason Anderson, Code Enforcement Manager)]
STUDY SESSION CITY COUNSEL STUDY SESSION FOR DISCUSSING POSSIBLE DIRECTIONAL POLLING, SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE.IF WE CAN KEEP UP THE POWERPOINT WHICH I SEE IS QUEUED UP.
WE ARE GOING TO PICK UP A BIT LEFT OFF BUT MAYBE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
IN THE SENSE THAT I WENT BACK THROUGH EVERYONE'S COMMENTS AND WANTED TO PRESENT TO YOU KIND OF THE MAIN DISCUSSION POINTS.
I KNOW THAT COUNCILMEMBER AMITH AT SOME ITEMS SHE WANTED TO DISCUSS AS WELL.
THEY ARE NOT LISTED ON THE POWERPOINT BUT I HAVE MY NOTES HERE AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THOSE AS WELL.
CERTAINLY, I THINK MAYBE WE IN THE INTEREST OF TIME I THINK THE MAIN POINTS ABOUT PARKING, OCCUPANCY AND NOISE WILL TAKE MAJORITY OF THE TIME AND THEN PERHAPS I WILL MAKE SURE WE LEAVE SOMETIME TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE ANCILLARY ISSUES THAT ANY OF YOU MAY HAVE NOW THAT YOU HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH THE ORDINANCE AGAIN AND ASK ANY QUESTIONS.
>> THAT WORKS I WILL GO AHEAD AND START.
>> WHAT I DID IS I TOOK HE LAST POWERPOINT AND ADDED SOME NEW SLIDES.
THOSE OF THE SLIDES THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU AND ON THE SCREENS.
ON THIS TOPIC HERE WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING ARE 2 DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESTRICTIONS.
BOTH BASED WITH RESPECT TO NOISE.
THAT WOULD BE YOUR KARAOKE MACHINE.
HER CELL PHONE RADIO, ETC. THERE'S NO AND SIDE AMPLIFIED SOUND BETWEEN 9 A.M.
10 PM AND 8 PM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE AMPLIFIED NOISE.
WITH RESPECT TO INSIDE AMPLIFIED NOISE.
IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT FOR THE MOST PART WITH WHAT WE NEED TO CURRENTLY WHICH IS IT CAN'T BE HEARD BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE AT ANY TIME.
THE SECOND RESTRICTION IS A RESTRICTION ON THE OUTSIDE AMENITIES THAT CREATE NOISE SUCH AS YOUR POOL OR IF YOU'RE HAVING A NOUN, A SWIMMING POOL, A SPA, GAMES, CORN HOLE.
THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT PERHAPS THE RENTAL HAS APPEARED SO IN THAT REGARD OCCUPANTS ARE PROHIBITED FROM USING THOSE OUTSIDE AMENITIES OR ENGAGING IN THESE TYPES OF OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES BETWEEN 9 PM TO 8 P.M.
SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND 10 PM THROUGH ADM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
I MEAN THE TIME FRAMES CONSISTENT.
I ALSO WANTED TO SHOW YOU AS WELL WHAT OUR CURRENT NOISE ORDINANCE PROVIDES.
IT'S UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON TO MAKE AND CAN TUNING NOISE CAUSED THE SENDING LIMITS OR WITHIN 200 FEET THEREOF.
ANY DISTURBING EXCESSIVE OR OFFENSIVE NOISE OR VIBRATION THAT CAUSES DISCOMFORT OR ANNOYANCE TO ANY REASONABLE PERSON OF NORMAL SENSITIVITY IN THE AREA.
OR, THAT IS PLAINLY AUDIBLE AT A DISTANCE GREATER THAN 15 FEET FROM THE SOURCE POINT FOR ANY PURPOSE.
SO IF THAT'S AN INSIDE NOISE OR AN OUTSIDE NOISE IT CAN'T BE AUDIBLE 15 FEET PAST WHATEVER THAT IS, POINT OF NOISES.
I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A FRAMEWORK WITH RESPECT TO HOW IT DIFFERS FROM OUR CURRENT NOISE ORDINANCE.
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THIS WOULD STILL STAY IN EFFECT.FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS WE DO HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS.
PART OF IT IS, CAN YOU SEE WHY I CAN'T GO BACK ON THIS.
THE REASON WHY IS, IT'S EVEN THOUGH IT'S A RESIDENTIAL USE IT'S STILL USE THAT'S BEING, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN YOU OWNING YOUR HOME AND YOU HAVING A PARTY OUTSIDE.
AND SO WE CAN HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS THAN THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR THAT'S INHABITED BY THE OWNER WHO LIVES THERE.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK TO THIS.
WHAT HAPPENED HERE? I'M HAVING TECHNICAL TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.
I ALSO WANTED TO, I DID A QUICK SURVEY OF WHAT THE OTHER CITIES HAVE.
WHAT I HEARD AT THE MEETING THE LAST TIME IS I THINK ALL OF YOU UNDERSTOOD THE NOISE ISSUE.
AT THE SAME TIME YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EITHER, ONE OF FAIRNESS BETWEEN THE CURRENT HOMEOWNER AND THE SDR BUT, ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WERE NOT AT A PLACE WHERE WE ARE BEING OVER THE TOP WITH RESPECT TO THE SDR.
IN LA QUINTA THEY DO HAVE THE PROVISION WITH RESPECT TO RADIO, WITH LOUDSPEAKERS ACCIDENT THAT CAN'T BE USED OUTSIDE OR AUDIBLE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE SDR UNIT BETWEEN 10 PM AND 7 A M.
WITH RESPECT TO THE OTHER CITIES I QUICKLY LOOKED AT.
PALM SPRINGS, PALM DESERT, RANCHO MIRAGE, THEY ALL HAD VARIATIONS OF YOU CANNOT ENGAGE IN ANY UNREASONABLE NOISE OR DISTURBANCES ANY HAPTIC COMPLY WITH THE MUNICIPAL COURT.
THE PROVISION THAT CERTAINLY IS DIFFERENT IS THE ONE WITH RESPECT TO OUTSIDE AMENITIES AND OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES.
THAT IS SOMETHING NEW AND SO I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT TO YOU.
AND SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND OR FACILITATE ANY KIND DISCUSSION.
>> SO I MAY BE GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF.
MY QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE ENFORCE THAT?
>> I JASON IS ON THE LINE AS WELL.
PART OF THIS IS IS THAT WE ARE SETTING UP REGULATIONS AND STANDARDS.
OUR INTENT AND FRANKLY A LITTLE BIT OF HOPE AND LUCK IS THAT EVERYBODY COMPLIES.
WHAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO IS SET UP THESE STANDARDS SO THAT IF IT BECOMES EXCESSIVE THEN WE CAN HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OWNER BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY ULTIMATELY WHO IS GOING IT FALL TO.
AND EVEN THOUGH AGAIN WITH NOISE JUST LIKE WE DO NOW AND I THINK COUNCILMEMBER MILLER POINTED IT OUT.
THAT MEANS WE GO OUT TO THE PROPERTY OR THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY AND HEREIN AND WE KNOW IT'S EXCESSIVE.
CERTAINLY IN AREAS WHERE THIS AN ABUNDANCE OF SDR'S.
PROBABLY NO ONE IS EVER GOING TO COMPLAIN BECAUSE WE ARE SURROUNDED BY STRS.
AGAIN, IT'S SETTING A STANDARD THAT WE THINK IS CLEAR THAT HAS, WE KNOW WE CAN UNDERSTAND 9 PM TO 8 AM.
WE CAN UNDERSTAND NO USE OF THE POOL AFTER 10 PM.
SO THAT IF IT BECOMES AN ISSUE AND WE HAVE TO REVOKE SOMEBODY'S PERMIT THAT AT LEAST WE CAN DOCUMENT THAT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.
WITH ALL OF THESE PROVISIONS ENFORCEMENT IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE.
AT LEAST THERE IS SOME STANDARDS THAT ARE CLEAR THAT CAN BE UTILIZED AND I THINK IT FAIRNESS TOO BECAUSE WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT ABOUT THE PERSON WHO DOESN'T LIKE THEIR NEIGHBOR AND IS CONSISTENTLY CALLING AGAIN I THINK WHEN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER GOES OUT THERE AND JASON CAN ANSWER THIS.
AS WERE LOOKING AT THE TOTALITY OF IT ALL.
ESPECIALLY WITH RESPECT TO RENEWAL.
WE DID BUILD INTO THE ORDINANCE A PROVISION WITH RESPECT TO NOISE MONITORS.
THE BRB IS OF THE WORLD AN AIR B&BS HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT TO JASON WANTING TO COMMENT ON THE ORDINANCE AND WE WILL LOOK AT THOSE AND BRING THAT BACK TO YOU AGAIN.
I DON'T THINK THIS CONVERSATION NECESSARILY ENDS TODAY.
BUT, ONE OF THEM DID SUGGEST THEY HAVE NOISE MONITORS.
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INSTEAD OF REQUIRING THAT UPFRONT BUT WE CAN IF YOU'D LIKE.OR REQUIRING IT IF IT'S NEEDED.
WHAT WERE TRYING TO DO IS FOCUS ON THE BACK ACTORS AND NOT PENALIZE THE ONES THAT ARE COMPLIANT WITH EVERYTHING AND YOU NEVER HEAR ABOUT THEM.
THEY DON'T NEED THAT EXTRA COST FOR THE NOISE MONITOR SHOULD BE THE GUY OR GAL THAT HAS ISSUES.
JASON, DO YOU WANT TO JUMP IN?
MADAME MAYOR, JASON ANDERSON, CODE ENFORCEMENT MANAGER.
ANY TYPE OF ENFORCEMENT HAS TO BE WITNESSED BY AN OFFICER.
ENFORCEMENT IS THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO.
WE WANT TO PREVENT PROBLEMS FROM OCCURRING BEFORE THEY START.
SOME OF THE PROVISIONS AS FAR AS LIKE SIGNAGE AND HAVING RENTERS SORT OF AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THE RENTAL UPFRONT.
WE HOPE THAT WILL PREVENT PROBLEMS FROM OCCURRING BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY DO.
>> I GUESS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR YOU IS SOME DIRECTIONS.
DOES THAT WORK, DOES NOT WORK? DO YOU STILL SEE ISSUES?
>> SPECIFICALLY TO THE AMPLIFIED SOUND?
>> LIVING, NOT TO MY FELLOW COUNCILMEMBERS.
WE HAVE CERTAIN PROPERTIES THERE'S GOING TO BE FOLKS WHO USE THE TERM BAD ACTORS.
EVAN IDEA OF YOUR PROBLEM HOUSES.
AT THE SAME TIME FROM WHAT I EXPERIENCED A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE OUT AND ABOUT OR THEIR LARGE PROPERTIES.
IF IT'S 10 PM AND THE KIDS ARE HAVING A POOL PARTY IN THE SUMMERTIME RIGHT.
NOBODY IS COMPLAINING NOBODY IS BEING BOTHERED THERE'S NO PROBLEM.
WE HAVE TO SET THE STANDARD SO WE HAVE A PRESIDENT.
I THINK THE TIMES ARE REASONABLE.
I HAVEN'T HEARD TO MUCH DISCUSSION OR HARD TIMES WITH FOLKS.
I THINK PEOPLE COMPLY FOR THE MOST PART BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND IF THEY DON'T THERE'S A PENALTY OR THESE POLICIES CAN GET A LITTLE BIT MORE STRICT.
>> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
I HATE DOING RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT ARE ENFORCEABLE.
LIKE THE POOL CREATE COMMUNITY THAT THEY CAN'T USE AFTER CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME KNOWING NO ONE'S LEXICON OF ALL OF IT.
THAT'S WHERE THEY LIST ME ON SOME OF THE STUFF.
DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN EVENT FOR COACHELLA FEST.
REAL ESTATE USE THE AMENITIES AFTER CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME NO MATTER WHAT.
DOESN'T REALLY THINK IT'S VERY ENFORCEABLE AT ANY TIME.
I JUST HATE MAKING LAWS THAT ARE UNABLE TO BE ENFORCED.
>> WELL LET ME ASK COUNCILMEMBER AMITH.
I'M NOT SURE HOW WE MAYOR THAT SECOND ONE EITHER.
I GUESS I DON'T FOLLOW MY WE NEED TO RESTRICT THE USE OF OUTSIDE AMENITIES.
>> UNLESS THERE IS NOISE, RIGHT.
BUT IF WE HAVE JUST ASSIGNED THE GROUP SITTING IN THE JACUZZI AFTER 10 PM THAT'S NOT OUTSIDE NOISE.
I'M A LITTLE UNSURE WHY PROHIBITING IF IT'S NOT CAUSING A PROBLEM.
THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN IS TO ADDRESS IT I GUESS WITH NOISE.
SO IT'S OCCUPANTS SHALL BE PROHIBITED FROM USING ALL OUTDOOR AMENITIES ARE ENGAGING IN OUTDOOR GAMES AND ACTIVITIES THAT CREATE NOISE.
BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 9 PM TO 70.
>> THAT'S MISSING FROM THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.
IT WAS FOR NOT ENGAGING IN THOSE ACTIVITIES THAT CREATE NOISE AND I CAN TIGHTEN THIS UP A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE A GROUP THAT'S IN THE JACUZZI OR THE POOL AND THERE'S NOISE THAT DOESN'T CROSS THE PROPERTY LINE IS NOT BEING EXCESSIVE.
THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE THE POOL.
IF YOU'RE HAVING I DON'T KNOW, PLAYING GAMES AND HAVING AN ADULT BEVERAGE AND PLAIN CORN HOLE AT 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND YOU CAN HEAR IT.
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THAT'S DIFFERENT.I THINK THE PRACTICALITY THAT MAYOR PRO TEM INDICATED.
IF WE DON'T HEAR ABOUT THAT PORTAL GAME AT 11 O'CLOCK AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT NOISY AND NOT BOTHERING THE NEIGHBORS IN THEIR SLEEP OR PLAYING THILO.
WHEN IT IS A PROBLEM THEN WE CAN GO AND POINT TO A SPECIFIC CODE PROVISION ESSAY, SEE YOU CAN DO THIS.
SO I THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE IN THERE EVEN THOUGH WERE NOT GOING TO GO OUT THERE LOOKING FOR IT.
IT'S ONLY GONNA BE IF WE RECEIVE THE COMPLAINT.
THE ONLY WAY WE HAVE LEVERAGE BUT WE RECEIVED A COMPLAINT AS IF WE HAVE A CODE PROVISION TO RELY ON.
HOPEFULLY THIS IS EVEN A NONSTARTER.
90 PERCENT OR MORE OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE OUT THERE DOING SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE ENJOYING THEIR TIME OFF IN A MANNER THAT DOESN'T HINGE ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PRIVACY WHETHER IT'S NOISE OR ANY OTHER WAY.
I THINK WERE LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THAT SMALL PERCENTAGE.
IT MAY EVEN BE EVEN 2 OR 3 PERCENT OF PEOPLE THAT REALLY CREATE SOME OF THE MAJOR ISSUES OUT THERE THAT UP UNTIL NOW WE'VE HAD A HARD TIME ENFORCING PARTICULARLY ON THE WEEKENDS.
I DON'T WANT TO TYPE I DON'T WANT TO SPEND WRINKLE ANYBODY.
I WANT TO MAKE IT SUCH THAT NOTE NOBODY WANTS TO COME.
WE JUST NEED TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE FRIENDLY FOR THE EXISTING RESIDENTS AND PUT SOME TEETH INTO SOMETHING THAT IS ENFORCEABLE WHEN, ONCE IN A WHILE THE LARGER PROBLEMS OCCUR.
I THINK THE WAY IT'S WORDED IN THE WAY IT MAKES IT SOUND IS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE THAT IF THE AMENITY OUT DOOR ENTITY CAUSES AN ISSUE BECAUSE BECOMES AFTER CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.
IT'S REALLY REDUNDANT BECAUSE OF THEIR MAKING A NOISE AT 8 O'CLOCK HERE, COME SEE THEM ANYWAYS.
THE WAY IT MAKES IT SOUND BECAUSE HE PARTIES AT 8 O'CLOCK.
NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE SEEN PROHIBITED AMENITIES MAKES IT SOUNDS LIKE AFTER THIS TIME YOU CAN USE THE AMENITIES.
>> ACTUALLY TAKEN THE TITLE THAT SAYS OUTDOOR AMENITIES THAT CREATE NOISE.
DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEY'RE PLAYING WITH.
>> I THINK GENERALLY YOU'RE CORRECT.
I THINK WHAT THIS DOES IS YOU KNOW, WE ALLUDED TO THIS A LITTLE BIT THE LAST TIME IN TERMS OF HOTELS.
THINK OF AN STRS JUST LIKE A HOTEL RIGHT? HOTELS DO YOU HAVE YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T BROWNIES THE POOL AT 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
SOME AREAS WILL SAVE YOU CAN CREATE EXCESSIVE NOISE.
IT'S SIMILAR TO THAT AND IT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
THAT PERHAPS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC.
THE JUST AND GENERAL NOISE STANDARD.
YES, I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS EVERYONE HAS MADE.
>> I HARBOR TO REGULATE THIS OR SHOULD WE?
THEIR NEW CURRENT CURRENT PARKING LIMITS OR RESTRICTIONS.
AND, WHEN I WENT BACK AND LISTEN TO ALL THE COMMENTS I KINDA THOUGHT ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE ALSO TELL YOU MY LITTLE SURVEY OF ADJACENCIES AS WELL.
WHAT WERE TRYING TO SOLVE IS BALANCING SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND THE LARGE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF PARKING, RIGHT? NOT TRY TO LIMIT THEM TO SOME AMOUNT OF TYPE II OR 3 WHICH MAKES NO SENSE.
SO TO ENSURE THAT SHORT-TERM RENTAL HAS ADEQUATE PARKING.
IT WAS A SMART SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
OR DEPENDING ON THE WAY IT'S CONFIGURED PERHAPS THERE'S NOT AN ABUNDANCE OF PARKING ON SITE.
AND SO, PARKING AT LEAST THE WAY WE ARE LOOKING AT IT, PARKING IS NOT ONLY FOR THE OCCUPANCY OCCUPANTS BUT FOR THEIR GUESTS.
LOOKING AT THIS I THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE AND A FUNNEL IN THE SENSE THAT WERE TAKING PARKING THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING AND THIS IS A POLICY CHOICE.
SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR THE OCCUPANTS AND FOR GUESTS.
BECAUSE, FOR NOT FOOLING OURSELVES WE KNOW GUESTS ARE GOING TO COME OVER.
UNTIL ONE WAY TO AT LEAST START TACKLING THE ISSUE IS TO PROVIDE A PARKING PLAN.
THE PARKING PLAN WILL SHOW HOW MUCH ON SITE PARKING IS AVAILABLE.
SO I THINK THE KEY POINT HERE IS HOW TO MEASURE PARKING AND WHAT'S ADEQUATE ON-SITE PARKING? SO I TRIED TO LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY AND I REMEMBER AND I WENT BACK AND LISTENED TO THE BACK-AND-FORTH WITH COUNCILMEMBER MILLER IN TERMS OF HOW I WORDED IT.
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I AGREE, IT WASN'T WORDED CORRECTLY.SO, LOOKING EVERY LOOKING AT THAT I THINK THERE'S A FLOOR AND THERE IS A CEILING.
SO THE WAY I'VE STRUCTURED THIS IN THE WAY OF PROPOSING AN IS THAT MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CARS FOR THAT SDR OR RENTAL IS ALIGNED WITH HOW MANY CARS ON THE SITE KENNY PART.
IF YOU HAVE A HOME THAT HAS 5 PARKING SPACES.
THEN THEY CAN USE ALL 5 PARKING SPACES.
IF YOU HAVE A HOME THAT HAS LARGE PROPERTY THAT IS 20 PARKING SPACES.
MAYBE THAT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHEN I ASKED THE NEXT QUESTION.
BECAUSE ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS HOW TO MEASURE THE FLOOR HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHAT THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF SPACES IS REQUIRED FOR ADEQUATE PARKING? I DON'T THINK BOTH OF THESE CONCEPTS NEED TO BE TOGETHER.
I THINK YOU CAN LOOK AT PARKING IN EITHER WAY.
AND THIS IS UP FOR DISCUSSION.
SO WHAT IS ADEQUATE PARKING? IS IT MEASURED BY ONE SPACE PER BEDROOM? IS IT A FORMULA BASED ON BEDROOMS OCCUPANTS? AND, DO WE COUNT ON STREET PARKING AND IS THERE A LIMIT? AND SO, CLEARLY WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE IS AT LEAST FROM WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS IS ABOUT PARKING.
IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT IS, HOW DO WE MEASURE AND HOW DO WE ENSURE ADEQUATE PARKING FOR THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL? SO WE HAVE, OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES DO IT A COUPLE OF WAYS.
IT LOOKS LIKE NONE OF THEM OR AT LEAST A COUPLE OF THEM WILL NOT ISSUE A RENEWAL SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERMITS IF THEY LACK ADEQUATE ON-SITE PARKING.
THE MEASUREMENT IN ONE CITY IS THAT YOU DIVIDE THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS TO BEDROOMS. SO IF YOU HAVE 5 BEDROOMS AND THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY IS 10.
THE FORMULA THAT THE QUINTA SHOWS IS THAT YOU DIVIDE BY 4.
SEVERE PARKING RATIO IS 4 ĆĀ" ONE.
YOU DIVIDE 10 BY 4 EQUALS 2.5.
SO IN THEIR ESTIMATION THEY BELIEVED THAT 3 SPACES WOULD BE ADEQUATE FOR 10 OCCUPANTS.
PERHAPS THAT'S 2 CARS, 5 BEDROOMS, MAYBE YOU'RE THINKING 2 FAMILIES.
AND ON-SITE PARKING IS A DRIVEWAY, THE GARAGE.
AS WE DISCUSSED THE LAST TIME.
THEY ALLOW TO ON STREET PARKING SPACES TO ACCOUNT FOR THEIR MINIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
PALM SPRINGS DOESN'T SAY MUCH ABOUT PARKING OTHER THAN THE OWNER NEEDS TO SET REASONABLE REGULATIONS WITH RESPECT TO VEHICLE PARKING.
PALM DESERT SAYS THAT ALL PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THE STRS NEED TO BE ON SITE.
RANCHO MIRAGE ALSO SAID SOMETHING SIMILAR IS THAT THE OWNER NEEDS TO CONTROL AND INDICATE IN THEIR CONTRACT WITH THE NUMBER OF REASONABLE PARKING SPACES MUST BE, ALTHOUGH THEY ALLOW PARKING SPACES AND WHERE YOU CAN PARK IS EITHER ON-SITE OR ON THE STREET.
ALTHOUGH THEY SINGLE OUT WHICH IS CURIOUS TO ME THAT THEY SINGLE OUT PARKING IS OKAY ON YOUR PRIVATE RIGHT-OF-WAY IF YOU LIVED IN A COMMUNITY.
SO YOUR PRIVATE STREETS OR IN A GARAGE AND THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES FOR THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL SHALL NOT EXCEED THE TOTAL NUMBER OF BEDROOMS. SO THEY SET A MAX.
THEY SAID THE CEILING AT IF YOU HAVE 5 BEDROOMS THEN YOU CAN ONLY HAVE 5 CARS.
IT'S LIKE WITH THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CARS THAT CAN BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
ALL OF THESE EXCEPT FOR PALM SPRINGS YOU CAN DENY A PERMIT IF THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE ON-SITE PARKING.
SO, IT GOES A LITTLE BIT ALL OVER.
IN TERMS OF WHAT'S ADEQUATE PARKING BUT, I KNOW I TALKED A LITTLE BIT LAST TIME AND I CAN PULL THOSE OUT OF WHAT OTHER CITIES DO BUT I WANTED TO AT LEAST GIVE YOU A FRAMEWORK OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND US.
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AS WELL.THE PARKING REQUIREMENT IS ONE PARKING SPACE PER BEDROOM.
I KNOW PARKING IS PERMITTED IN THE STREET OR IN THE YARD.
THE SOUTH LAKE TAHOE, THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES EQUALS ONE PER EVERY 4 OCCUPANTS.
AND SANTA CRUZ IS ONE VEHICLE PER ONE BEDROOM.
2 VEHICLES PER 2 OR 3 BEDROOMS AND ONE ADDITIONAL VEHICLE PER EACH ADDITIONAL BEDROOM IN THE EXCESS OF 3.
ANAHEIM SETS THE VEHICLE LIMIT TO WHAT'S AVAILABLE ON SITE.
HOWEVER, THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES IS 2.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT PARKING AND SO I KNOW I'VE THROWN OUT A LOT.
IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE BALANCE AND WHAT YOU FEEL IS CORRECT.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWER.
I THINK IT JUST DEPENDS ON YOU KNOW WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS AND JASON, YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE FIELD WITH RESPECT TO PARKING AND MAYBE YOU CAN PROVIDE SOME INSIGHT FOR DISCUSSION BEFORE QUESTIONS BEGIN.
>> ROXANNE THAT WAS A GREAT SUMMARY.
STREET THEY WILL OCCUPY THE SPACE IN FRONT OF NEIGHBORING HOMES.
THAT'S WHERE WE GET THE MAJORITY OF COMPLAINTS.
THE OUT-OF-TOWN RENTERS COME IN.
THE PARK IN FRONT OF OWNER OCCUPIED HOMES.
IT JUST COMPOUNDS PARKING ISSUES AND SOME NEIGHBORHOODS.
>> I RECOGNIZE TOO FOR THE PARKING BELONGS TO THE PUBLIC.
THAT'S A SEMINAL PROPERTY RIGHT THAT EVEN THROUGH THE US SUPREME COURT ON THAT ISSUE.
THAT SAID LOOKING AT REGULATORY ACTIVITY I DO BELIEVE THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE WE CAN LIMIT OR PROHIBIT THAT TYPE OF PARKING THAT HAPPENS ON THE STREET AND REQUIRED IT THAT IT BE ON SITE.
WELL, WERE REQUESTING AS PART OF THE CONTRACT AND PART OF THE INTAKE.
ALL OF THE VEHICLE LICENSE PLATE NUMBERS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAT WHEN YOU GO TO A HOTEL ANY VALLEY YOUR CAR.
THEY TAKE DOWN YOUR VEHICLE LICENSE PLATE NUMBER.
BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE CHARGING YOU THE 25 BUCKS FOR EVERY CARD THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR ROOM.
I DON'T THINK ASKING FOR LICENSE PLATE NUMBERS IS IMPEDING ON ANYBODY'S RIGHTS.
ANSWER, AND INCLUDES YOUR GUESTS AS WELL.
SO, CERTAINLY WE WOULD BE ABLE TO TELL IF YOU HAVE A LIST OF LICENSE PLATE NUMBERS AND CARS ON THE STREET THAT YOU CAN MATCH THEM UP OR NOT.
THE DIFFICULTY OF COURSE BECOMES IS HOW TO FIGURE OUT WHEN THERE IS TO MANY.
SEE 8 CARS MAYBE THERE'S A CAR SURROUNDED BY THIS MORNING LITTLE PLACE.
AND YOU CAN ASSOCIATE AND MAXED OUT AT 4.
BUT, THEN IT BECOMES MORE OF A KIND OF A SURVEILLANCE BUT HOW DO YOU FIGURE THAT OUT? I'M SURE WE COULD IF IT WA A HOUSE THAT HAD AN ISSUE THAT WAS A VERY CONSTANT ISSUE.
WHERE YOU WOULD WANT TO PUT RESOURCES TO ESSENTIALLY HAVE SOMEBODY OUT THERE MONITORING THE SITUATION AND SEE WHO COMES OUT THE DOOR AND WHO GOES INTO THE CAR.
THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY WAY YOU WILL TELL IF THEY'VE EXCEEDED THE PARKING STANDARD.
AGAIN, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AWARE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE PARKING IS AN ISSUE.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
THE CITY MANAGER HAS ANYTHING TO ADD.
WE ARE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS.
>> ROXANNE IF I CAN ADD ONE THING.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE YOU WANT TO BUY REQUIRING A PARKING PLAN.
WE WANT TO PREVENT THESE NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUES BEFORE THEY START.
WE WANT PROPERTY MANAGERS AND OWNERS TO ACTIVELY MANAGE THEIR PROPERTY TO PREVENT PARKING ISSUES FROM HAPPENING BEFORE THEY BECOME ENFORCEMENT PROBLEM.
>> START FROM THE POSITION THAT STREETS AND OFF-SITE PARKING BELONG TO NO ONE.
AND NO ONE PROPERTY OWNER HAS THE RIGHT EXCLUSIVELY TO PARKING SPACES ABUTTING
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THEIR HOME.I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL END UP BEING UNENFORCEABLE BECAUSE EVEN IF SOMEONE WERE TO GIVE THE 5 LICENSE PLATE NUMBERS.
AND THERE'S 50 CARS PARKED IN THE GENERAL VICINITY.
I MEAN TO PAY SOMEBODY TO SIT THERE AND TO COUNT IS COMING IN AND OUT OF WHAT HOUSE IS RIDICULOUS.
THIS IS JUST GOING TO GET WAY OUT OF CONTROL.
THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ANY PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
ALL STREETS ARE PUBLIC ALL OF SIDEWALK PUBLICS ARE PUBLIC.
SOMEONE WANTS TO COME AND BRING 50 CARS THEY WILL KEEP PARKING AROUND THE CORNER UNTIL THEY HAVE MORE SPACE.
IT'S THE SAME THING THAT PRIVATE PEOPLE DO NOT WHEN THEY HAVE PARTIES.
THE POP 50 CARS LINED AROUND THE STREETS.
WHY ARE WE GONNA TREAT THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS ANY DIFFERENT? I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE LESS RIGHTS.
THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THE PROPERTY OWNER.
HE JUST HAPPENS TO BE SHORT-TERM RENTAL LENGTH AND HE'S PAYING HEFTY FEE TO THE CITY OF INDIA TO DO SO.
THIS IS NOT AN AREA I WOULD SUPPORT RELATING.
I THINK THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO USE THE STREETS.
AND NO ONE SHOULD REGULATE THAT.
I CONCUR WITH LUPE ON A COUPLE OF ITEMS. PATTY REGULATE LIKE PRIVATE STREETS IF YOU MAKE IT? WE HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER AN INCH AWAY TO TELL THEM THEY CAN OR CANNOT.
ABOUT 150 TO HUNDRED 70 HOMES ARE SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
WE REALLY CAN'T TELL SUN CITY WILL TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES.
HERITAGE PALMS, INDIAN SPRINGS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW HE WOULD SAY OKAY, IF YOU'RE IN A PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY WHICH DEMONSTRATES MICRO WITH LUPE ON YOU CAN'T PARK HERE AND THERE.
IF YOU'RE A TRUE A PRIVATE WE DON'T HAVE THE JURISDICTION TO TELL ANY CHECKMATE BUT THEY CONTINUE AS YOU KNOW.
WE ARE BILLING LIMITING TH PUBLIC ONES NOT ANY OTHER PRIVATE ONES BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE HOA WHICH HAS HER OWN RULES.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU REGULATE WHERE IT'S FAIR.
LIKE WE ALWAYS SAID THE ONCE BETTER IN A PRIVATE GATE CAN DO OTHER THINGS AND THE NOISE IS DIFFERENT.
THE ONCE A PUBLIC THEY GET HIT.
HOW DO WE MAKE IT FAIR? THIS IS THE SAME THING IS JUST A DIFFERENT WAY.
WE START TALKING ABOUT LOVE THESE PEOPLE CAN THESE PEOPLE CAN'T.
YOU CAN'T HAVE AN HOA LICENSE IN THE SKY 10 BECAUSE HAVING A PLAN OF A PROBLEM.
TELLING OF THE FIGURE OUT WHO ARE THESE CARS.
BUT IF WE GO THERE ARE THE CARSON'S PEOPLE NEXT-DOOR? ARE WE HARASSING THEM IF THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING? ARE WE TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO.
WE HAVE JURISDICTION TO GO LOOK AT STUFF? WE CAN BARELY 2 OVER DOING LET ALONE ADD EXTRA STUFF UNLESS WE HAVE TO PAY FOR SOME WAY.
MAKE SURE WHEN PICKING A CERTAIN GROUP BECAUSE OF THAT.
IF YOU GO DOWN TO CLICK MORE ON THE WRIST IS CARS UP AND DOWN THE STREET.
HOW DO YOU REGULATE THAT? I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT.
I DON'T LIKE LAWS THAT WE CANNOT ENFORCE.
I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME TEETH AND I AGREE WITH THE PARKING PLAN BECAUSE I THINK THEY SHOULD SO YOU CAN HAVE SOME JURISDICTION.
IF ONE PEOPLE TO COME TO MY HOUSE THEY DON'T PARK IN MY DRIVEWAY.
EVEN THE GATED COMMUNITY THEY DON'T.
FIRST THING I WOULD PURPOSELY STRIKE PLATE.
IF YOU'RE IN A GROUP AND YOU DO.
IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE COME IS DIFFICULT TO SEE SOMEONE PARKING DRIVEWAY.
>> I AGREE WITH THE PARKING PLAN AS WELL.
LIKE JASON SAID SMART ON THE SIDE OF THE PREVENTION OF ENFORCEMENT.
IF WE HAVE LISTINGS THAT SAY YOU CAN ONLY HAVE THIS MANY VEHICLES HERE AND YOU HAVE TO REGISTER THEM.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE LIKELY PEOPLE WILL FOLLOW THOSE RULES AND IF WE HAVE NO GUIDANCE ON THAT ISSUE.
IF WERE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
WE NEED TO HAVE THAT KIND OF ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE I CURSING IF SOMEONE COMES TO YOUR HOUSE THAT ONE PARK IN YOUR DRIVEWAY.
ORVAL STREET IS TAKEN UP THEN WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO.
ARI HAPPENS LIKE YOU SAID WHEN PEOPLE HAVE PARTIES IN THIS AMOUNT.
TALKED ABOUT FULL-TIME SHORT-TERM RENTALS WITH NO GUIDANCE ON PARKING THEN I THINK I CAN GET OUT OF CONTROL QUICKLY WE NEED TO PROVIDE THAT PROTECTION FOR THE RESIDENTIAL OWNERS THERE THAT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT ON A DAILY BASIS OR WEEKLY BASIS.
I DO LIKE, FROM THE ONES YOU MENTIONED LIKE THE LA QUINTA ONE FOR YOU DIVIDE THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS BY 4 OR IF WE HAD WHATEVER ON-SITE PARKING IS
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AVAILABLE.IF YOU HAVE A 2 CAR DRIVEWAY THING TO BE 2 CARS MAYBE +1 ON THE STREET.
>> COUNCILMEMBER FROM I'M SORRY MAYOR PRO TEM FERMON.
>> WANT TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF HAVING TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE PARKING ON THE PROPERTY.
IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING THE STREETS ARE PUBLIC PARKING.
I LIVED GATED HOA IS VERY STRICT WITH PARKING AFTER REGISTER.
I'VE GOT MY TICKET FROM A JOINT AND I'VE LIVED THERE I FORGET TO MOVE MY CAR.
THE SAME TIME SUCCESSFUL TO GO ONLINE AND REGISTER VEHICLES WITH THE HOA.
LOVE THESE PROPERTIES ARE IN GATED COMMUNITIES.
THE HOA WE DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION NONETHELESS MUST HOA A GREAT JOB ENFORCEMENT.
A LOT OF THESE STRS USE FOR PARTIES.
THERE CAN HAVE THIS CARS PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAYS.
I ERR MORE ON SIDE OF HAVING THE OWNER JUST PROVIDE ADEQUATE PARKING.
DRIVEWAY PARKING FOR THE OCCUPANTS.
AFTER THAT POINT YOU KNOW THE STREET PARKING IS OPEN ITS PUBLIC PARKING.
>> BY AND LARGE I AGREE WITH THAT.
THINKING OF THE STREETS THAT ARE NOT HOA.
IF THEY DON'T REGULATED THEN THE RISK OF SOUNDING HARSH, SHAME ON THEM.
THEY NEED TO AND THAT'S THE TOP OF THE HOA.
THINKING OF THE OTHER STRENGTHS THAT ARE REGULAR NEIGHBORHOODS.
YOU'RE RIGHT, THE PUBLIC STREETS.
HAVING A PARKING PLAN I THINK IS A GOOD IDEA.
YOU KNOW IF IT'S A SHORT-TERM RENTAL PEOPLE ARE GONNA PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY COULD AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SENT.
IF IT'S SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE GONNA PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY ANYWAYS.
BUT SOMETHING WE NEED TO HELP THE OWNERS OF THESE PROPERTIES SAY, OKAY.
TREVOR NEEDS TO BE ACCESSIBLE.
YOU KNOW, I FEEL FOR THE NEIGHBORS BUT, I HAVE THAT PROBLEM I'M GOING TO GO TO HOME DEPOT AND BUY AN ORANGE CONE AND PUT IT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE TO MAKE SURE NOBODY PARKS THERE.
WE REALLY CAN'T REGULATE WHAT GOES ON IN THE STREET.
WE CAN HELP MANAGE IT BY HAVING SOME KIND OF PLAN.
AGAIN WERE SPEAKING TO THE VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF HAVING SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT TO GO OUT THERE AND DEAL WITH THE SITUATION.
IF THERE PARKING ON FRONT LAWNS AND EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND DURING THE WEEK.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS WHOLE ORDINANCE.
NOT JUST THE PARKING IN THAT SMALL PERCENTAGE.
SO THE NEXT TOPIC, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION WHEN I WENT BACK TO LOOK.
I WANT TO AT LEAST CONFIRM KIND OF WHERE WE ARE HEADED WITH OCCUPANCY WHICH IS AT THE START TO HER BEDROOM BUS FOR ADDITIONAL.
AND THEN WE HAD TO FOR EACH BEDROOM AND I WILL SHOW YOU CHART.
YOU CAN IN COURT ABOUT TH OFFSTREET PARKING.
THIS IS ASIDE FROM THE LAST STUDY SESSION.
LET ME STOP THERE SO YOU CAN LOOK AT PROPOSED OCCUPANCY.
FOR A STUDIO IF THERE IS SUCH A THING HERE IN THE VALLEY IT'S FOR.
SO FOR 3 BEDROOMS THE OCCUPANCY IS 10.
THIS IS OVERNIGHT OCCUPANCY NOT A DAYTIME OCCUPANCY.
NO THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION THE FIRST STUDY SESSION WITH RESPECT TO THAT.
AND THEN SO I READ YOU OFF I THINK THE LAST TIME IN TERMS OF OCCUPANCY.
FOR EXAMPLE PALM SPRINGS AT 5.
THERE OCCUPANCY IS A DAYTIME AND AN OVERNIGHT.
SO FOR THE OVERNIGHT, STUDIO IS TO AND THEN FOR A 3 BEDROOM.
PRECIOUS STICK WITH A 3 BEDROOM NUMBER.
THERE OCCUPANCY INCENSE EXPORT ARMS WOULD BE A 10.
RANCHO MIRAGE THERE OCCUPANCY IS ALSO 6.
LA QUINTA 43 BEDROOMS THERE OCCUPANCY IS 6 ĆĀ" 8.
AND THEN CATHEDRAL CITY THERE OCCUPANCY IS 6.
THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A FEEL OF WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE IS OUT.
YOU KNOW, THE WING WE CURRENTLY DO OCCUPANCY AND I WILL GIVE YOU THAT NUMBER RIGHT NOW.
THE WAY THAT WE CURRENTLY DO OCCUPANCY WE HAVE A SET NUMBER.
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AND THAT SET NUMBER IS IN OUR CODE.BUT, IF SOMEBODY HAS A LARGER BEDROOM EXCEEDS ME IF SOMEONE HAS LARGER HOUSE WITH MORE BEDROOMS THAN THEY CAN REQUEST THAT BUILDING AND SAFETY THEN GO AS PART OF THEIR INSPECTION AND LOOK TO SEE LIKE THERE IS AN OFFICE BUT HAS A PULLOUT NOT CONSIDERED A BEDROOM BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE A CLOSET.
YOU CAN HAVE 2 MORE PERSONS IN THERE.
I KNOW HE'S HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH THAT.
AND I WILL GET THE EXACT NUMBER.
WE ASK OFTEN TIMES WHEN THEY WILL SUBMIT AN APPLICATION FOR LARGER THAN THE ORDINANCE ON THE HOUSE.
WHICH IS CURRENTLY 2 PER BEDROOM +2.
THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME EVIDENCE.
THEY WILL GIVE US THE FLOOR PLAN.
IT WOULD GIVE US PICTURES IF THEY HAVE BUNKBEDS IN REAL THAT VALIDATES.
THEY WILL EXPLAIN THEY HAVE A COUCH, A PULLOUT COUCH MAYBE IN A TENT AREA.
WE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
WE USUALLY GIVE THEM 2 MORE BODIES PER BED FOR EXAMPLE OR ONE MORE PER A BUNKBED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S A LOGICAL REASONING BELIEF ALLOW THESE VARIANCES.
>> WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS CHART AND INCREASING IT.
WE INTERNALLY HAD A BIG STAFF SIT DOWN TO HASH THIS OUT.
I THINK PART OF IT IS TO DISPENSE WITH THE DISCRETION THAT IS HAPPENING NOW.
IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW, WE KNOW IF YOU'RE SET UP FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL ABOUT LIVING ROOM IS A PULLOUT COUCH.
YOU KNOW? IDENT HAS A PULLOUT COUCH OFFICE.
USUALLY IT MAY BE JUST A QUEEN.
WE WERE TRYING TO WIN THE MANY THE WORK AT THE DISCRETION WE ARE DOING NOW
JUST GIVE YOU AN EXTRA >>> IF THAT IS HAPPENING.
I DON'T SUSPECT THAT FOR EXAMPLE YOUR NICER HOUSES THAT WANT TO CAPTURE YOU KNOW MORE AND BIGGER RENTS BECAUSE OF THE IMMENSITIES THAT THEY HAVE OR MAYBE THEIR FURNITURE IS LITTLE BIT MORE FANCY.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO STICK FOR BUNKBEDS FROM COSCO.
IT GOES AGAINST THE GRAIN OF WHAT YOUR HOUSE IS BEING MARKETED AT THE COST.
BUT, THE OTHER HOMES ARE PUTTING OUT THAT, I JUST DON'T FORESEE MAYBE I'M WRONG FORESEE EVERYONE'S GONNA GO OUT AND RENT A COSCO BY BUNKBEDS.
WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AT A HIGHER NUMBER.
>> THAT SOUNDS PLAUSIBLE TO ME.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ARE WE GOOD? COUNCILMEMBER AMITH?
>> THANK YOU, THERE'S NO MENTION OF THE VARIANCE APPLICATION SECTION.
HOW WOULD PEOPLE KNOW? CORRECT, THE NEW ORDINANCE WERE NOT PROPOSING A VARIANCE.
LOOKING AT ELIMINATING THAT AND INSTEAD WE ARE INCREASING THE BASE OCCUPANCY REALLY BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD AND WHAT'S NOT POSSIBLE.WHEN PEOPLE COME IN AND WANT ADDITIONAL OCCUPANCY NUMBERS.
>> OKAY, ALL RIGHT, WE ARE GOOD.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT YOU KNOW ONE OF THE TOPICS LAST TIME WAS GATHERINGS.
WANTING NOT TO PROHIBIT GATHERINGS.
WANTING, RECOGNIZING THAT THERE ARE SOME HOMES IN THE CITY THAT ARE VERY ESTATES THAT ARE BEING UTILIZED NOT ONLY AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL BUT ALSO PROVIDING A VENUE FOR A WEDDING.
YOU KNOW, OR A LARGE EVENT LIKE OF THE BOUGAINVILLEA ESTATE.
SO HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT? HOW DO WE ADDRESS USES DURING THE CONCERT WITH RESPECT TO HAVING GATHERINGS THERE.
RANCHO MIRAGE FOR EXAMPLE AND EVEN PALM SPRINGS.
PALM SPRINGS LOOKS AT IT HAS 5 BEDROOMS OR MORE CONSIDERED AN ESTATE.
THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.
RANCHO MIRAGE DOESN'T BY A NUMBER OF BODIES DAIMLER 9.
IN REALLY IS THE DAY THAT GOES INTO THE EVENING I SUPPOSE AT 25.
AND SO AT THAT POINT IN TIME TO HAVE THOSE LARGE GATHERINGS FOR A SPECIAL EVENT OR YOUR THANKSGIVING DINNER OR YOUR CHRISTMAS OR WHATEVER THEN YOU HAVE TO GET HER CALLING AS A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.
I DON'T ENVISION THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING FOR THE FAMILY THANKSGIVING
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WITH FAMILY CHRISTMAS.THAT IS GOING TO BE MORE THAN JUST SOMETHING YOU GO ONLINE AND LET OUT AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TRUTHFUL AND IT IS WHAT IT IS.
HOWEVER, FOR A LARGER ESTATE THAT IS GOING TO HAVE A CORPORATE EVENT OR SOME TYPE OF HUGE PARTY.
THEN, IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED OR I SHOULDN'T TAKE OBLIGATED.
HOW'S THE PARTY GOING TO WORK? ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE SHUTTLES? ARE GOING TO BE VALET? BECAUSE, AT THAT POINT IS ALL OF YOU KNOW WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES.
OUR RESOURCES ARE OUR STRENGTH FESTIVALS.
WE WANT TO DO A LOT OF THIS UPFRONT SO THAT THINGS CAN RUN MORE SMOOTHLY AND THAT WE KNOW ABOUT WHERE THESE EVENTS ARE HAPPENING.
SO, THAT'S KIND OF HEARS PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES.
THAT'S IN LINE WITH WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS WITH RESPECT TO THAT AND ADDRESSING THE LARGER PARTIES SITUATION TO I DO THINK AND HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
IF WE DO HAVE VERY LARGE HOMES HOMES THAT ARE USED FOR WEDDINGS LIKE THAT HAPPEN PALM SPRINGS.
THEN WE SHOULD REALLY BE ADDRESSING THAT FROM A LAND-USE PERSPECTIVE.
THAT THEY COME IN FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO THAT WAY IF IT'S A HOME ON ACRES OF LAND AND THERE'S NO IMPACT AND NO SECONDARY IMPACT TO ANYBODY.
THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS THAT IS THROUGH A CUP AND TO ZONING TO ALLOW IT DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY.
WE YOU CAN ADDRESS ANY IMPACTS AND ENSURE THERE'S A PARKING PLAN ETC. ETC.
HERE ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT THIS MORE OF, YOU KNOW BALANCING THE FAMILY GATHERINGS WITH THE PARTIES.
AND, BY NO MEANS IS IS GOING TO ARE WE SAYING THAT WERE NEVER GOING TO HAVE A PARTY THAT'S NEVER GOING TO GET A PERMIT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S NOT TRUE.
HOPEFUL WE CAN TRYING TO WORK WITH SOME OF THE VENDORS THAT COME MONTHS IN ADVANCE BEFORE COACHELLA TO ASK ABOUT THAT.
I WILL STOP TALKING AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
I THINK WERE FOCUSED ON THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES DURING CONCERT SEASON THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE THE LARGEST NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
I'M CURIOUS ROB, I THINK NICENE AND I HEAR SHORT-TERM RENTALS YEAR ROUND.
ABSOLUTELY YEAR-ROUND WEATHER AT SCHOOL FOR A DAY BECAUSE AT THE LATEST THING TO DO.
BUT I HAVE FRIENDS, THAT HAVE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBORS THAT EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND WHICH IS OKAY WITH THEM.
I THINK I'M LOOKING AT THIS MORE MY YEAR-ROUND TO MAKE IT USER-FRIENDLY TO MAKE IT NEIGHBORHOOD FRIENDLY.
BECAUSE SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE WE HAVE ALL OF THE TIME.
A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF ALL THE TIME.
IT WAS A BIT SURPRISING HOW MUCH SHORT-TERM RENTALS WE HAD THROUGH THE PANDEMIC.
WE THOUGHT THE CONCERTS WERE OCCURRING MAYBE THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ACTIVITY WOULD DECLINE.
EVEN THROUGH WINTER HOLIDAYS AND WE BE A LITTLE BIT DIP IN THE SUMMERTIME.
THE ONE THING I WILL POINT OUT IS NOT BECAUSE WERE RECEIVING SUCH A LARGE PORTION OF OUR TOT.
THEY ARE BEING BEING WE GET THAT REVENUE WHEN THE ROOMS ARE BOOKED.
NOT NECESSARILY WHEN THEY'RE USED.
THAT SKEW THE STATISTICS A LITTLE BIT.
MIGHT BE MORE FAIR TO SAY WE HAVE A CONSTANT NUMBER OF RESERVATIONS ON A REGULAR BASIS OCCURRING EVERY MONTH.
IN THIS PROPERTIES ARE BEING USED.
WE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW FOR SURE BUT I WOULD GENERALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT PRONOUNCING THESE LARGE SPIKES BECAUSE OF THE CONCERT.
RECEIVING MORE YEAR-ROUND ACTIVITIES.
CERTAINLY SOMETIMES BEING DRIVEN BY THE FACT THAT OTHER CITIES, LITTLE CITIES ARE NO LONGER USING SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE COMING HERE BECAUSE LOOKING FOR PLACES TO GET AWAY AND WERE STILL EMBRACING ACTIVITY.
>> WHICH IS WHY WAS TRYING TO MOVE THIS ALONG BECAUSE I KNOW THAT SORT OF SEASON IS STARTING.
PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT TO ENJOY THE WEATHER AND HAVE A GOOD TIME.
I KNOW THAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIPE I THOUGHT WE MIGHT TRY TO MANAGE THIS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SPECIFIC TO THE OVER 25 PERCENT NEED A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR ANY LARGE EVENT.
>> CAN SOMEONE PUT THE POWERPOINT BACK.
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THIS IS A BIT CONFUSING FOR ME ESPECIALLY SINCE OUT HERE IN MY AREA WE HAVE VERY LARGE HOMES AND VERY LARGE ESTATES THAT ARE BEING USED FOR WEDDINGS, LARGE PARTIES, FUNDRAISERS.
I UNDERSTAND THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY DO RIGHT NOW.
WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY HERE WITH RESPECT TO THOSE? I DON'T WANT TO PAY THEIR ABILITY TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THEIR PROPERTIES USED AS VENUES.
>> OF COURSE AND I CAN PROVIDE CLARIFICATION.
I THINK THERE'S DEFINITE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A HALL THAT IS BEING UTILIZED FOR CORPORATE EVENTS OR WEDDINGS AND WHATNOT AND NOT FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
THIS HOMES ARE NOT GETTING A SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERMIT.
AND THEY ARE RENTING THEIR HOUSE FOR EVENTS.
I THINK FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT FROM A LAND-USE PERSPECTIVE.
SHORT-TERM, THERE ARE SOME PERMITTEES OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERMITS THAT BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE THEY GOT A PERMIT THEY COULD HAVE A PARTY.
OR THEY CAN RENT IT OUT FOR A LARGE GATHERING.
IT'S WHERE MAYBE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE SPENDING THE NIGHT THERE.
IF IT'S MORE OF A PERSONAL TYPE THINK VERSUS A CORPORATE EVENT OR MAYBE A CORPORATE TYPE OF EVENT IS HAPPENING AND IT'S JUST HAPPENING SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND HAVE SOME PEOPLE STAYING THERE.
IT'S AS IF IT IS A LICENSE OR IF THAT PERMIT IS A LICENSE TO HAVE A PARTY.
SO WHAT WERE TRYING TO REGULATE HERE FROM SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERSPECTIVE IS TO SAY TO THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL TOLD PERMITTEES YOU MAY HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL THAT ONLY GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO HAVE X NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO SPEND THE NIGHT, ENJOY THE PROPERTY.
IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO HAVE A LARGE PARTY.
IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO HAVE MORE THAN 25 PEOPLE AT ANY TIME AT THAT HOUSE.
IF YOU DESIRE TO HAVE MORE THAN 25 PEOPLE AT THAT HOUSE THEN YOU NEED TO COME IN FOR ADDITIONAL PERMIT.
BUT THE OWNER WOULD HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON IT.
IT WOULD BE OWNER AND THE OCCUPANT THAT WOULD COMMIT FOR THIS PERMANENT.
AGAIN, IF IT'S THANKSGIVING, IF IT'S CHRISTMAS DAY.
THAT'S HOPEFULLY SOMETHING THAT IS MANAGEABLE.
IF IT'S A CORPORATE EVENT OR YOU KNOW A ROCK OR SOMETHING AT A HUGE ESTATE THAT HAS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERMIT AND THEY DIDN'T GET ANY OTHER PERMIT.
THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERMIT DOESN'T HAVE THEM LICENSE TO HAVE A HUGE PARTY.
>> THEY WOULD NEED THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT ON TOP OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERMIT.
>> HOPING THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT IS HELPING US PAY FOR THE SERVICES THAT WE NEED TO KEEP ENFORCEMENT.
I DO NOT WANT TO MOVE IN A DIRECTION BARBARA GOING TO REQUIRE LAND-USE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
I THINK THAT WILL OPEN UP PANDORA'S BOX FOR US TO HAVE LESS ABILITY TO REGULATE AND LESS ABILITY TO REALLY CONTROL THE GROWTH OF THIS INDUSTRY.
I WOULD RATHER IT BE ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS AS A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.
AND THAT WE COLLECT OUR DUE FEES NOT GOING TO PAY FOR THE SERVICES BUT YOU KNOW WE RECEIVED TOT WHEN THEY PULL THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
WHAT ARE WE RECEIVING WHEN THEY PULLED THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT? WE DON'T HAVE ANY REVENUE SOURCE OTHER THAN THE COST OF COVERING WHICH SEEMS LIKE WERE MISSING OUT ON SOMETHING.
LET'S SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO CAPTURE.
WE HAVE THE ATTENDANCE FEE WE HAVE ADOPTED.
HONESTLY, I'VE A PROPERTY BY MY HOME, PRINTER PEOPLE JUST FOR WEDDINGS ON WEEKENDS.
YOU KNOW THEY DON'T CHARGE A FEE.
WHAT IS THE CITY RECEIVING TO OFFSET THAT IS THE QUESTION.
>> I HAVE PROBLEM WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AS LONG AS IT'S REASONABLE.
THE PRINCIPAL PROCESS WILL BE GOING AND NOT WHERE THEY COME BACK IN AND CHANGE THINGS AND THIS GUY DOES A DIFFERENT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE WITH THE OTHER ONES.
WE MAKE CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS JUMP THROUGH HOOPS NEEDS TO BE A SET THINK WHERE IT CAN BE DONE QUICKLY AND NOT OVER A 2-MONTH PERIOD.
IF YOU HAVE THAT WITH OTHER PLACES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE, AND BUILT 2 MONTHS INTO AND A HALF MONTHS FOR ANY CITY THAT'S EQUIPPED LIKE THE SITTING FESTIVALS TO HAVE A FENCE KNOWING THERE IS GOING TO BE A BIG EVENT THERE.
THEY COME IN 2 MONTHS AND TAKE OF YOU WOULD A CAYMAN A MONTH AGO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET YOU THE PERMIT.
WE WANT TO BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY AT THE SAME TIME WANT TO BE ABLE TO COORDINATE IT.
IF IT'S NOT UP TO 25 PEOPLE I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU CAN HAVE A WEDDING IF IT'S A
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SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND THEY HAVE 20 PEOPLE IN YOUR 20 PEOPLE.TONY CAN'T HAVE AN ILLICIT GATHERING? 20 PEOPLE WOULD IT MATTER IF IT'S A WEDDING OR ANYTHING ELSE? IF IT'S OVER 25 THEN MAYBE THEY SHOULD.
TO SAY THAT THE HAVE A DONATION EVENT OR SOMETHING, SMALL GATHERING OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO PUT MONEY INTO AN ACTIVITY OR CAUSE.
UNDERSTAND HER TRYING TO HAVE A CARROT AND IS TAKEN TRYING TO DO IT.
I AGREE WITH IT IT SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL USE.
ONCE HE GETS A 25 DRAFT UP A SPECIAL PERMIT.
SHOULD BE A PROCESS THAT COMES QUICKLY.
EVEN ON HOURS WE HAVE GARAGE PERMITS FOR GARAGE SALES.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY CODE ENFORCEMENT ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS TO STOP THEM.
SO THERE WERE PERMIT OR NOT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.
IF YOU ASKED THEM TO COME IN TO GET A PERMIT UNLESS THEY GET CAUGHT SOMEONE DOES ANYTHING THERE'S NO WAY TO ENFORCE WHAT WE HAV BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE WORKING SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
THIS IS GONNA CHANGE THAT BECAUSE OF THE PRESENCE OF OR NOT.
>> I AGREE WITH 25 PERSONS NEEDING A SPECIAL PERMIT.
ALSO FROM A RESPONSE FOR OUR PUBLIC SAFETY FOLKS.
IF THEY NEED TO RESPOND TO A CERTAIN SITUATION IT GIVES THEM AN IDEA OF WHAT THE APPLICATION, THIS EVENT HAS 100 PEOPLE.
AT LEAST WE KNOW THERE'S SOME FOLKS THERE.
NO COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES IS KIND OF HARD BUT I SEE WILBUR GOING WITH SOPHIE NO DONATION EVENTS.
SAY WE DO HAVE A LARGE FESTIVAL.
BEFORE YOU GO THERE ON OUT, PLANNING ON HAVING A FESTIVAL EVERY MONTH IF THAT'S THE CASE.
THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO CONTINUE.
THAT'S WHY THIS THING NEEDS TO BE USER-FRIENDLY AND STREAMLINED.
NO FEE AND THE REASON WHY SAY THAT IS WE DO HAVE A LOT OF CELEBRITIES THAT COME IN THE VALLEY FOR SOME OF HER FESTIVALS.
IF THEY'RE HAVING A HOUSE AT THE MONTAGE AND THERE HAVING A PARTY AND THEY'RE GOING TO SELL TICKETS FOR 4 OR $500 THAT SHOULD BE ALONE.
>> SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
I AGREE WITH BUT THERE IS ALSO FOLKS THAT COME IN TO HER VALLEY CORPORATE EVENTS.
I ATTENDED ONE HERBALIFE EVENT.
THERE WAS MORE THAN 25 PEOPLE THERE.
IT WAS ONE OF OUR LARGER PROPERTIES.
I SEE HOW THESE THINGS DO WORK.
I THINK WE CAN MAKE THIS WORK.
ANYTHING OVER 25 I DO AGREE WITH HAVING A PERMIT.
COUNCILMEMBER MILLER ALLUDED TO WEDDINGS.
SOME WEDDINGS HAVE 15 TO 20 PEOPLE.
I THINK IT SHOULD JUST BE AN EVENT OVER 25 REGARDLESS IF IT'S A WEDDING OR A POOL PARTY OR CHILDREN.
>> CERTAINLY DURING THE PANDEMIC EVERYONE HAD VERY SMALL WEDDINGS.
>> OSCAR QUICKBOOKS THE ONLY THING THAT SOME DIFFERENT TOPIC WANT TO BRING UP AGAIN AS IF WORKING TO PUT ANY LIMITS ON ANY OTHER FULL-TIME RENTALS, ANY NEW FULL-TIME RENTALS.
I THINK WE SHOULD PUT A LIMIT ON THAT BECAUSE THE MAIN COMPLAINT I GET IS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE CHANGING.
>> CAN WE WRAP THIS UP? AND ON THE FLOOR WILL BE WORSE.
>> WILL EXTEND SIGNATURE CHANCE.
BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
WE CAN TRULY PUT THIS WEDDING, IF HIS OR MORE FOR MARY KAY.
GOSH THANK YOU FOR COMING TO OUR CITY BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GRAB FOOD WE HOPE, REAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SHE'S GETTING SOME CORPORATE CLIENTS OVER MEXICALI I CAN'T EVEN FATHOM IT'S MASSIVE.
I WOULD REGULATED TOTALLY MANAGEMENT.
I THINK THE KEY TO ME IS IN THE NUMBER OF PERSONS NOT NO COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES.
PRESENTLY WILL MAKE SOME CHANGES SO THAT.
THIS DOESN'T HAVE A BATTERY THAT WORKS.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT.
YOU CAN'T RENT THE RV THAT HAPPENS TO BE THERE FOR THE TREEHOUSE.
YOU CAN'T PITCH TENTS A CALL THAT SHORT-TERM RENTAL EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE RENTING THE PROPERTY.
COMBINE DIFFERENT, IF HE OWNED 3 LOTS AND YOU CAN COMBINE THAT SO BECOMES A HUGE COMPOUND.
IF YOU'RE A RENTER IN AN APARTMENT CAN USE AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
I THINK WERE GOING TO INTERNALLY FLUSH OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE
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CASITAS AND BRING BACK TEAL.JUST QUICKLY, I WANT TO ASK IN TERMS OF THE AGE OF THE RENTER I HAD PLACED 25.
COUNCILMEMBER AND MEET HANSEN 21.
IF 21 SOUNDS RESULTING IN SOME LEGAL AGENT OR IF YOU WANT TO DO IT HIGHER I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS STRONG FEELINGS WITH RESPECT TO THAT?
IT'S REALLY UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER WANT TO RUN IT.
IF THEY WANT TO RUN INTO SOMEBODY THAT'S 21 OF AGE WHO IS LEGALLY ABLE TO DO THINGS I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
I THINK TO PUT AN AGE, ESPECIALLY FOR CONTROL OF AND SOMEONE IN THE MUSICAL FESTIVALS FOR THE YOUNGER GROUPS COMING UP TO THE OWNER IF HE OR SHE WANTS TO PROVIDE THAT UNDER CERTAIN AGE.
YOUNG, 21 SHOULD BE THE LEGAL AGE ESPECIALLY SOMEBODY THERE IS RESPONSIBLE THAT IS SIGNED OFF.
ALCOHOL AND NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE WITH BELLS ON THEM.
>> AGAIN QUICKLY ON THAT QUESTION.
THE OTHER ONE WAS A CORPORATION RENT A SHORT-TERM RENTAL? AND SO I THINK A STRENGTH FESTIVALS YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME CORPORATIONS THAT WILL RENT HOMES FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES ARE ONE OF.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? THE PROHIBITION IN HERE NOW.
NEXT IS ANY WAY WE CAN LIMIT HOW MANY?
>> I THINK THE ISSUE WE HAVE BEEN SEEN IS WHERE THEY START STACKING.
IN THE SAINTS AND 31 DATE RENTAL.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THAT ISSUE.
AND SO MOUNT JASON OR ROB IF YOU'VE SEEN ON.
I THINK IT'S MORE SO THAT YOU HAVE A CORPORATE ENTITY THAT RENTED ON BEHALF OF SOMEBODY ELSE.
IT'S REALLY AN INDIVIDUAL THAT'S INSIDE OF IT.
>> BONITO BROUGHT EMPLOYEES WHO RENTS PARTIES WORK FROM THEM FEDERAL WORKING AT THE FESTIVALS THEY PROVIDE HOUSING? DO THEY SAY THEY CAN'T.
SOMEBODY HAS TO BE RESPONSIBLE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE THERE'S A PROBLEM CLOSE TO THEM.
HAVE YOUR OWN COMPANY AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO IT YOUR COMPANY'S ARE NOT PAYING FOR PERSONALLY.
>> THAT GOES WITH MY ISSUES UNLESS COUNCILMEMBER AMITH I THINK I HAVE ALL OF THEM FOR THE DISCUSSION.
OKAY, GREAT SHE'S SOUNDING US.
IN TERMS OF WHAT COUNCILMEMBER MARTINEZ IS TALKING ABOUT.
THAT IS THE CONCEPT WHERE YOU LIMIT A SHORT-TERM, AN OWNER SHORT-TERM RENTAL YOU LIMIT THE NUMBER OF DAYS THEY CAN RENT OUT THEIR PROPERTY AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROHIBITION.
THIS ORDINANCE DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR THAT.
SO THAT'S I THINK IF I STATED IT CORRECTLY I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
>> ,GRANDFATHER AND THE ONCE ALREADY PERMITTED THAT WE KEEP OUR TAX REVENUE WE ARE CURRENTLY GETTING.
WE ALSO LIMIT ANY NEW ONES TO 30 DAYS THAT WILL ALLOW FOR PEOPLE TO STILL BE ABLE TO BUY HOMES, RESIDENTIAL AREAS RESIDENTIAL.
REDUCE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS FROM OUR RESIDENCE.
>> I THINK THAT'S INFRINGING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.
I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING THAT.
>> WHEN HE THINKING? 30 DAYS? A YEAR?
>> IN'S AND OUT'S PALM SPRINGS HAS 32 DAYS AND THAT'S HOW THEY ARE GOING ABOUT IT.
IT MAKES IT FEASIBLE FOR FAMILIES WHO WANT TO RENT IT OUT FOR THE FESTIVALS.
THEY CAN RENT OUT FOR COUPLE WEEKENDS.
STILL 15 WEEKENDS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND THEY CAN RENT IT OUT.
THEN ALSO IT WON'T MAKE IT VISIBLE FOR CORPORATIONS THAT WANT TO RENTED OUT YEAR-ROUND IN OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
I GUESS FOR MY POINT OF VIEW I'M NOT QUITE THERE YET.
I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN MANAGE THE BAD ACTORS WITH THIS ORDINANCE BEFORE I GO THERE.
IF WE CAN'T THEN I THINK WE CAN BRING THEM BACK UP.
LET'S TRY TO MANAGE SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
I WOULD HATE TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT SAYS YOU CAN ONLY RENT YOUR HOUSE ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE CAN A YEAR.
I'M SORRY WHEN WE CAN A MONTH PRETTY MUCH MORE FOR THE 3 WEEKENDS IN COACHELLA FESTIVAL NOT SENT.
I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
PARTS WHAT WE SAY TO OUR LOWER INCOME RESIDENTS ARE TRYING TO FIND HOMES IN THE CITY WHEN THERE SUCH A LOW STOCK AT THIS MOMENT? AND THEY'RE GETTING BROUGHT OUT BY CORPORATIONS WERE JUST GOING TO RENT THEM
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OUT.NOT TALK ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
WE NEED TO LOOK ON MLS TO SEE WHAT PROPERTIES ARE AVAILABLE.
THERE'S PLENTY PROPERTIES AVAILABLE.
>> THAT'S WHAT WERE DOING IN OTHER CITIES.
WE HAVE THE EXAMPLE AND IS WORKING.
>> I THINK WERE OFF-TOPIC AND YOU NEED TO WRAP THIS UP.
I WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME MORE RESEARCH AND ON MYSELF.
THIS CONVERSATION IS NOT OVER TODAY.
AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS.
SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES THEY ARE NOT AFFORDABLE.
UNFORTUNATELY SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE NOT AFFORDABLE TO FOLKS MOVING.
I THINK IT'S ANOTHER TOPIC WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING WE NEED TO PROVIDE HOUSING.
>> AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING.
OTHER THINGS TO GET STARTED HOMES AND APARTMENTS AND CONDOMINIUMS, STARTING AT SOMETHING AND MOVEMENT.
WE NEEDED TO BETTER JOB OF PROVIDING ALL TYPES OF HOUSING.
>> I THINK WE NEED A BALANCE TO YOUR POINT WE NEED A BALANCE.
>> I THANK YOU WHAT YOU SAID IS WISE.
ONCE A PART ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED WE HAVE STAFF AND WHEN THINGS GO BACK TO GIVING YOUR TEAM TO SEE HOW IT'S GOING I THINK IS PRUDENT AND THEN MAKE TWEAKS WHETHER THAT BE THIS MORNING OR OTHERS SHOULD COME TO BEAR.
WHEN INDICATED ADOPTED AN EXERCISE IN PROMOTE-IT MAY NOT BE PERFECT AND FURTHER REVISIONS WOULD COME DOWN THE ROAD.
WHEN A SAINT IS A MEMBER MARTINEZ IS ALIVE IN TERMS OF HER HOUSING ELEMENT IN TERMS OF APARTMENTS AND CONDOS IN TERMS OF EVERYTHING ELSE WERE WORKING ON.
I HAVE A HARD TIME STOPPING ON.
CHRIS AND I THINK IT'S MORE URGENT FOR ME, TALK TO THE LISTING AGENTS TO SEE HOW MUCH OF HER HOUSING STOCK IS BEING SOLD OFF AND NOT BENEFITING OUR RESIDENTS WHO NEED HOUSING AT THIS POINT.
THAT'S WHY IT'S AN URGENT ISSUE FOR ME.
>> IN TERMS OF NEXT APPS HONESTLY UNLESS THE CITY MANAGER DISAGREES I THINK WERE AT A POINT WHERE I CAN MAKE TWEAKS BASED ON TODAY'S CONVERSATION AND FINALIZE IT.
JUST BRING IT BACK TO REGULAR MEETING.
I DON'T WORK IN AND TALK TO EXPEDIENT FOLKS IN OUR B&B FOLKS.
YOU DON'T LOOK AT THEIR CHANGES AND COMMENTS AND MAYBE WORK SOME OF THOSE IN.
THE INITIAL ONE I GOT DOESN'T SEEM ANYTHING DETRIMENTAL.
IF THAT'S OKAY THEN I THINK WE WOULD BE READY TO BRING IT BACK AT A FORMAL MEETING.
AND THEN YOU KNOW OR IF YOU WANT ANOTHER STUNNING SESSION IT'S UP TO YOU.
>> I WOULD BE READY TO BRING IT BACK IN ANOTHER MEETING.
WE CAN DISCUSS THIS AT SOME POINT BUT MISTAKE THE GRANDPAS TRY TO MAKE IT WORK.
THEN WE MOVE FORWARD AND TWEAK IT AS SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DEBATE.
>> EVEN ITS OWN FORMAL MEETING DOESN'T NEEDS TO BE INTRODUCED AT 9.
LIST THAT WE HAVE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF AUDIENCE IN THE EVENING TO ALSO PARTICIPATE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.