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WE'LL CALL TO ORDER THIS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF APRIL THEN, 2022.CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
WE'LL CALL OUR PLANNING MEETING FOR APRIL 13, 2022.
[1. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL]
CAN WE ET PLEASE GET A ROLL CALL FOR ATTENDANCE.>> AND COMMISSIONER LOPEZ AND VICE CHAIR RODRIGUEZ CEJA ARE ABSENT.
COMMISSIONER FRANZ, WOULD YOU BE SO KIND AS TO LEAD TO US NUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
VANESSA, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A FLAG COME UP OR ARE WE JUST GOING TO -- THERE WE GO.
PLACE YOUR HAND OVER YOUR HEART.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
VANESSA, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY PRESENT EITHER ONLINE OR IN CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO GIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS OR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA?
>> BEING THAT THERE ARE NONE, LET'S GO AHEAD AND START WITH OUR STUDY SESSION
[4.1. Project Consultation - Proposed Wendy's Drive-Through Restaurant]
ITEMS. ITEM 4.1 IS A PROJECT CONSULTATION FOR WENDY'S DRIVE-THROUGH.FOR THE RECORD KEVIN SNYDER DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
AS WE WAIT FOR THE POWERPOINT TO BE LOADED, I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COMMISSION AND THOSE IN ATTENDANCE THAT THIS IS A PROJECT CONSULT ADDITION.
PROJECT CONSULTATIONS ARE AN INFORMAL MEETING OPPORTUNITY BETWEEN APPLICANTS.
THE COMMISSION TO DISCUSS A POTENTIAL PROJECT.
THE COMMENTS ARE NON-BINDING, AND THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING MORE FORMAT, ALTHOUGH PUBLIC COMMENTS CAN BE PROVIDED BY INTERESTED PARTIES.
SO THIS EVENING OUR FIRST PROJECT CONSULTATION IS REGARDING A PROPOSED WENDY'S DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT ON HIGHWAY 111.
SO THE LOCATION OF THIS PROPOSED RESTAURANT, FAST FOOD RESTAURANT IS ALONG HIGHWAY 111.
IT IS A COMPONENT OF WHAT'S OFTEN CALLED TOWN AND COUNTRY.
THIS IS A OLDER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, AND THE CURRENT, THE ADDRESS IS 81703, APN OF 616-101-003.
THE GENERAL PLAN IS MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND CURRENTLY ZONING IS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.
THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED.
THE SITE PLAN SHOWS A NEW BUILDING WITH DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES IN AN APPROXIMATE NORTH-SOUTH ORIENTATION.
TO THE NORTH IS HIGHWAY 111, AND ON EITHER SIDE, EAST AND WEST, IS EXISTING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THEN TO THE SOUTH IS ALSO EXISTING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS A BEFORE AND AFTER, IF YOU WILL, THE PICTURE AT THE TOP SHOWS THE EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE REMOVED IF THIS PROJECT WAS TO GO FORWARD.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A NEW WENDY'S DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT, AND THERE'S A MODERN CONTEMPORARY DESIGN.
IN THE COVER MEMO THAT I PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION, DID I HIGHLIGHT TWO POTENTIAL ISSUE AREAS FOR THE COMMISSION TO DISCUSS ABOUT THE APPLICANT.
ONE IS THE DRIVE-THROUGH COMPONENT ITSELF.
LATELY THE COMMISSION IN DISCUSSIONS OF PROJECTS THAT ARE INCLUDING DRIVE-THROUGH COMPONENTS HAS PUSHED FOR MORE INTEGRATED ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THE DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES TO THE BUILDING.
SO IN EARLY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, I HAVE RECOMMENDED THAT THEY LOOK AT EXTENDING THE CANOPY NORTH AND SOUTH AND POTENTIALLY INTEGRATING A PONY WALL OR SOME OTHER DESIGN FEATURE THE ON WESTERN -- EXCUSE ME -- THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES.
I ALSO HIGHLIGHTED THE FACT THAT PERHAPS MORE INTENSIVE LANDSCAPING ON THE EAST AND WEST PERIMETERS OF PROJECT COULD BE PROVIDED.
AND THEN A POTENTIAL CONCERN AREA, BASED THE ON PROX NORTH-SOUTH ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING, IS THE POTENTIAL FOR HEAD LIGHT GLARE ONTO HIGHWAY 111, AND SO THESE ARE ISSUE AREAS THAT I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED FOR THE COMMISSION.
I KNOW THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES AND THE APPLICANT ARE IN ATTENDANCE VIRTUALLY THIS EVENING AND THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO PRESENT ON THEIR PROJECT TO YOU.
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BUT WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE BEFORE WE -- BEFORE THE CHAIR INVITES THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK.>> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, IF THAT'S OKAY.
KEVIN, ON THIS -- GO BACK TO THE PICTURE WITH THE BEFORE-AND-AFTER THAT WE JUST HAD UP.
IS THIS GOING TO TAKE OUT BOTH THESE BUILDINGS OR JUST THE ONE IN THE FRONT?
>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, COMMISSIONER.
>> SO THE TWO-STORY IN THE BACK AND THE SINGLE-STORY IN THE FRONT WILL BOTH BE GONE.
>> AND THAT IS MOSTLY WHAT RIGHT NOW? JUST OFFICE SPACE?
>> IT'S A COMBINATION, YEAH, MOSTLY OFFICE SPACE, SMALL TENANT OFFICE SPACE.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF VACANCIES IN BOTH BUILDINGS, BUT IT IS A VARIETY OF SMALL TENANT OFFICE SPACE.
>> KEVIN, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
IN REGARDS TO NORTH-SOUTH ORIENTATION AND THE DRIVE-THROUGH, YOUR CONCERN WITH THE LIGHTS, ARE THE DRIVE-THROUGHS ON BOTH SIDE OF HIGH 111 WITHIN THAT HIGHWAY 111 CORRIDOR, ARE THEY ALL ORIENTATED THE SAME WAY, LIKE THE BURGER KING AND THE KFC JUST A COUPLE BLOCKS FROM THERE? ARE THOSE BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH ORIENTATED, I BELIEVE?
FOR EXAMPLE, THE NEW DUTCH BROS THAT WENT IN IN 2021 THAT HAS A BUILDING CLOSE TO THE STREET AND THE DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITY IS ON THE REAR OF THE PROJECT SO YOU DIDN'T GET THAT HEADLIGHT THERE.
BUT, YES, CHAIR, I THINK THE MAJORITY OF PASS FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS ARE ORIENTED TOWARDS HIGHWAY 111.
THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY BE AN ISSUE THAT WOULD IMPERIL ANY EXCISION MAKING BUT IT DOES HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR GLARE.
THIS IS A LIMITED ABILITY TO CHANGING THAT OTHER THAN CHANGING THE NORTH OF THE BUILDING FROM NORTH TO SOUTH TO EAST TO WEST.
THAT WOULD BE ONE WAY TO ADDRESS THAT BUT THE SITE ITSELF MAY NOT MAKE THAT DESIGN MODIFICATION AS EASY AS IT MIGHT BE BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE SITE SIZE.
>> YEAH, I'M NOTICING IT'S KIND OF A LONG AND DEEP LOT.
IT WOULD BE HARD TO KIND OF ORIENTATE EVERYTHING GOING EAST-WEST, SO TO SPEAK.
>> SO AT THIS TIME, CHAIR, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, YOU CAN CERTAINLY INVITE THE APPLICANT'SRES AND/OR THE APPLICANT TO -- REPRESENTATIVES AND/OR THE APPLICANT, THEY ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY THIS EVENING, TO PRESENT THEIR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS TO YOU.
AGAIN, THIS IS AN INFORMAL MEETING OPPORTUNITY OH IS COMMISSION THE CERTAINLY ENTITLED TO ASK QUESTIONS AS YOU THEY GO THROUGH THEIR PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION WITH YOU.
IT'S INTEND TO BE A GIVE-AND-TAKE.
UNLESS COMMISSIONER VALDEZ HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
JUST BECAUSE I NOTICE ON A LOT OF THE NEW RESTAURANTS OR DRIVE-THROUGHS THAT COME UP, SOMETIMES THE ORIENTATION, THE WAY THAT THE CARS ARE GETTING INTO LINE -- IN LINE FOR THE DRIVE-THROUGH, IT INTERFERES WITH PEOPLE DRIVING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT OR THROUGH THE SHOPPING CENTER, SO HOW WILL THE CARS BE DRIVING INTO THE PARKING STRUCTURE TO GET INTO THE DRIVE-THROUGH? BECAUSE I'VE SEEN ACCIDENTS AND PEOPLE HONKING AT EACH OTHER AND CHAOS AT SOME LOCATIONS, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MINDFUL OF THAT.
>> COMMISSIONER, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, PRIMARY ACCESS TO THE DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES WOULD BE THROUGH THE PROPOSED PARKING AREA, SO YOU WOULD HAVE DUAL MOVEMENTS GOING ON.
THOSE THAT ARE PARKING -- BOTH HAVING A PARKING STALL VERSUS THOSE THAT ARE INTENDING TO DRIVE THROUGH THAT PARKING AREA TO GET THROUGH THE DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES.
ON LARGER SITES YOU MIGHT SEE THOSE MOST SEPARATED BUT BECAUSE OF THE NARROWNESS AND THE OVERALL SIZE OF THIS PROPERTY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO TRAVEL IN A SHARED DRIVE AISLE.
>> DO WE KNOW ABOUT HOW MANY CARS UNTIL IT STARTS -- HOW MANY CARS WOULD BE IN LINE BEFORE THE CARS WOULD START CURVING OUT INTO THE PARKING LOT?
I'M GOING TO DEFER THAT TO THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE WHO CAN PERHAPS EXPAND UPON THAT.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER VALDEZ.
YEAH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, PLEASE.
>> GOOD EVENING, THIS IS RALPH.
THE APPLICANT REPRESENTING SAGE INVESTCO AND WE ALSO HAVE THE SITE -- THE ARCHITECT ON VIRTUAL AS WELL AS RICH FROM -- ON THE PLANNING SIDE THAT HAS SUPPORTED US, KEVIN, GOING FORWARD.
I'M GOING TO DEFER TO JOHN, THE ARCHITECT, TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE DESIGN AND HOW WE'VE INCORPORATED SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT KEVIN HAS ALLUDED TO.
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A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AS IT RELATES TO -- A COUPLE OF RESPONSES AS IT RELATES TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS.ONE, AT THIS POINT IN TIME WE SHOW BASICALLY IT LOOKS LIKE A 12-CAR STACK BEFORE THE CAR STACKING GETS INTO, QUOTE/UNQUOTE THE PARKING AREA OF THE PROPERTY.
THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN I THINK THE STANDARD ALLOWS FOR, BUT THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT WE SHOW HERE AT 12.
AND AS IT RELATES TO EGRESS AND INGRESS, YES, MOST OF IT IS OFF HIGHWAY 111.
THERE IS AN ABILITY TO ENTER THE SITE IN THE REAR.
THAT OPEN AREA IS KIND OF A PATHWAY, QUOTE/UNQUOTE, TO THE SOUTH.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PICTURE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, THERE'S THE WAYS TO INGRESS AND IEST GRESS AS WELL BUT PREDOMINANTLY IT IS OFF HIGHWAY 111.
AND AS IT RELATES TO, GOING BACK TO THE DRIVEWAY, THE DRIVE-THROUGH, THE DISTANCE IS SUCH THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THE GLARE IN THE EVENING IS MINIMAL, BUT, YES, MOST OF THE SITES THAT I LOOKED AT THROUGH GOOGLE MAP ARE TYPICAL THIS DESIGN.
IT'S NOT COMMON TO -- AS THE DUTCH BROS WAS DIFFERENT AND I AGREED TO WITH KEVIN, THAT'S A PROJECT WE DEVELOPED A FEW YEARS AGO, BUT MOST THEM ARE IN THIS FASHION.
TO REORIENT THE BUILDING DOES HAVE SOME CONSTRAINTS AND PROBABLY BE EVEN A -- MORE OF A CONCERN AS FAR AS TRAFFIC, THE CAR LIGHTS AND SO FORTH, AS YOU LEAVE.
IF YOU WERE MORE ORIENTING ANOTHER 90 DEGREES PARALLEL ON THE HIGHWAY.
AS FAR AS LANDSCAPE AND ENHANCED LANDSCAPE, THAT'S ALL -- WE WILL INCORPORATE THAT AS WELL, BUT I'M AVAILABLE.
IF YOU WANT TO ADD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE, ABOUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WORKING WITH KEVIN BACK AND FORTH TO ACCOMMODATE HIS REQUESTS THAT WE CAN DO AND WOULD BE WILLING TO DO OF COURSE.
>> MY NAME IS JOHN DOTSON I'M WITH THE -- ARCHITECTS.
WE'RE LOCATED IN SANTA MONICA, CALIFORNIA.
BRIEFLY I'D JUST LIKE TO EXPLAIN THE THINKING HADN'T THE LAY OUT OF THE SITE.
WE PUT THE BUILDING IN A NORTH-SOUTH ORIENTATION FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
ONE IS TO ALLOW FOR THE LONGEST DRIVE-THROUGH QUEUE.
WE HAVE 12 SPACES WITH A WIDE DRIVE-THROUGH.
TYPICALLY, WE'VE DONE QUEUING STUDIES AND WE DON'T NEED MORE THAN TYPICALLY SIX TO EIGHT CARS IN STACK, SO THIS WOULD EXCEED WHAT WE WOULD NEED EVEN AT PEAK TIMES.
AND IT IS A 12-CAR STACK TO THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING THERE, YOU SEE THAT ANOTHER CAR COULD COME OUT AND STILL NOT BLOCK ANY OF THE PARKING.
THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN DESIGNED.
FURTHERMORE, THERE'S A CROSS AXIS EASEMENT BETWEEN US AND THE BUILDING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SITE.
SO CARS COULD COME AROUND AND DON'T NEED TO GO INTO THE PARKING LOT AT ALL FOR ACCESS TO THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANE.
THE OTHER REASON TO ORIENT THE BUILDING THIS WAY E.
IS SO THAT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING FACES THE STREET AND THE BACK OF BUILDING FACES THE BACK OF THE SITE.
IF WE WERE TO TRY AND ANGLE IT OR RUN IT PARALLEL TO HIGHWAY 111, YOU'D END UP SEEING THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN HIGHWAY 111.
FURTHERMORE, ONE OF THE OTHER GOALS OR AT LEAST WITH PLANNING HAD STATED THAT THEY WANTED WAS NOT THE DRIVE-THROUGH WOULD BE VISIBLE ALONG THE STREET, AND IN THIS ORIENTATION IT DOESN'T DO THAT.
THE DRIVE-THROUGH IS NOT UP AGAINST THE STREET.
AND WE HAVE PROVIDED PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE BUILDING THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO CROSS THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANE.
SO THERE'S NO, IN THIS LAYOUT THAT WE'VE GOT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONFLICT BETWEEN PEDESTRIANS AND THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANE WHICH IS THE GOAL WE TYPICALLY HAVE.
WE HAVE, IF WE GO TO THE 3D RENDERING, WE DO PROVIDE FOR A TRELLIS.
WE CAN EXTEND THAT AND MAKE IT MORE CONTINUOUS BETWEEN THE TWO.
WE WOULD ALSO USE A 3-FOOT WALL OR PONY WALL AS IT'S CALLED FOR THE FULL LENGTH OF DRIVE-THROUGH LANE AND FLAG THAT IN THE STONE VENEER THAT'S AT THE WAINSCOT OF THE BUILDING SO THERE'S CONSISTENCY IN THE SIGN.
AND WITH RESPECT TO THE COMMENTS ON LANDSCAPING, YES, WE CAN TWEAK THE SITE AND COME UP WITH MORE LANDSCAPING.
THIS IS JUST SO YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE NEW PROTOTYPE FROM WENDY'S.
WE AT COTTI FOODS HAS ENHANCED THE DESIGN.
ONE IS RAISING THE BASKET OF HOUSE SO NONE OF THE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS ARE
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VISIBLE WHICH IS FOR SOME REASON NOT WHAT WENDY'S CORPORATE DOES, AND THEN IT DOESN'T SHOW ON THIS ELEVATING BUT ON THE FRONT ELEVATION FACING THE PARKING LOT, THERE IS SOME RELIEF TO THE ELEVATION WITH PILASTERS AND STONE VENEER SO THAT THE BUILDING IS A LITTLE, IT'S JUST A LITTLE NICER LOOKING THAN TYPICAL PROTOTYPE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO.AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
>> IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT BY ANY COMMISSIONERS, FEEL FREE.
>> JUST FOR A LITTLE CLARIFICATION.
SO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS THE PICTURE THAT YOU'RE SHOWING US HERE, SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE DRIVING INTO WENDY'S TO GET INTO THE DRIVE-THROUGH, IT'S NOT NEAR THE EXIT TO DRIVE ONTO HIGHWAY 111.
IT'S TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE BUILDINGS, CORRECT?
>> TO GET TO THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANE.
>> YES, TO GET TO THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANE.
AS I'M LOOKING AT IT, THE TOP PART, IS THAT 111 THERE AND THEN -- >> THE TOP PART'S 111, CORRECT.
>> IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT ELEVATION, YOU WOULD BE STANDING LOOKING TOWARDS -- YEAH, YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE DRIVE-THROUGH THE WITH CARS COMING OUT, AND THEN THE CARS PARKED IN FRONT, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A TRUCK THERE.
THAT'S THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
SO WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING IN FROM 111, THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF SIGNAGE OR SOMETHING TO GUIDE THE CARS TO DRIVE AROUND THE PARKING LOT AND GO INTO THE DRIVEWAY LANE.
WE HAVE, YEAH, WENDY'S HAS -- >> DIRECTIONALS.
>> -- DIRECTIONAL SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
>> THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE I'VE SEEN SOME PLACES THAT DON'T HAVE THAT AND IT'S CHAOS WHEN PEOPLE, WHEN THERE'S MORE THAN A FEW CARS DRIVING IN AND TRYING TO GET IN LINE.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IS NICELY STRUCTURED.
>> NO, THIS IS A VERY EXPENSIVE AND VERY BEAUTIFUL BUILDING THAT WE BUILD.
>> MUCH PRETTIER THAN WHAT CORPORATE EXPECTATION IS.
I'M THE VP OF REAL ESTATE FOR COTTI FOODS.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY PETER CAPRIATI PAYS ANYWHERE BETWEEN $300,000 AND $400,000 MORE IN THE BUILDINGS THAN WHAT CORPORATE EXPECTS, SO HE BUILDS A REALLY BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, AND HIS OPERATIONS ARE AMAZING.
ALL THE OTHER STORES IN THE VALLEY ARE OURS AS WELL BUT THOSE WERE ALL THE OLD, THE OLD AESTHETIC.
IT'S JUST A VERY NICE DINING EXPERIENCE, HONESTLY.
ANOTHER QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THIS MEETING OR IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WHEN IT COMES TO DESIGN, IS THIS THE COLOR THAT THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE OR IS THAT GOING TO CHANGE? DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT?
IT'S A LITTLE -- THE RESOLUTION MAKES IT A LITTLE HARD TO TELL, BUT THESE ARE THE STANDARD COLLARS THAT WE TYPICALLY USE, BUT THE RED IS A CRITICAL ELEMENT FOR THAT BLADE ELEMENT BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THEIR BRAND IDENTITY, BUT THE OVERALL COLOR OF THE BUILDING, IF WE HAVE TO MATCH OR OTHER ISSUES SUCH AS THAT, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.
>> WHAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO FOR YOU, COMMISSIONER AND CHAIRPERSON, IF YOU WANT, WE COULD SEND YOU SOME BETTER RESOLUTION IMAGES AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT COLOR SCHEMES AND YOU COULD SEE WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE.
IT'S GOING TO BE -- IF THIS GETS APPROVED, IT'S GOING TO BE A MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT I THINK AS FAR AS CURB APPEAL BECAUSE THE EXISTING FACILITY RIGHT NOW IS PRETTY TIRED AND VERY VACANT.
>> CHAIRPERSON, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
>> FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE THIS WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT TO THAT SITE, SO I'M VERY HAPPY WITH IT.
A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE IS I DON'T SEE OUTDOOR SEATING, AND YOU KNOW THAT SEVEN MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR THE WEATHER'S PRETTY GOOD, RIGHT? DID I MISS IT OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE INCORPORATED?
>> WE DO HAVE A PATIO UP FRONT.
JUST GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE SITE, I DIDN'T DRAWN IN THE PATIO FURNITURE.
BUT RIGHT AT THE FRONT AS YOU ENTER THE BUILDING AT THE FRONT AREA, YOU SEE THAT TWO RECTANGLES IN FRONT THE BUILDING.
>> SO THAT WILL BE OUTDOOR SEATING.
I'M ASSUMING THERE WILL BE SOME KIND OF SHADE STRUCTURE.
WE JUST COMPLETED A PROJECT WHERE WE DID HAVE A SHADE STRUCTURE OVER IT, AND IT
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HAS ELEMENTS FROM THE BUILDING, SO, YES.>> AND -- >> I WILL ADD -- I WILL ADD, IF I MAY ON THAT TOPIC, WE TEND NOT TO LIKE STRUCTURES BECAUSE THE HOMELESS PEOPLE DO TEND TO MAKE IT A SHELTER, SO IT WON'T BE A STRUCTURE, PER SE, RIGHT? IT WILL BE OPEN, MAYBE WITH LAT US AND YOU UMBRELLAS TO WHERE IT LOOKS VERY INVITING, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BECOME A PERMANENT ABODE FOR SOMEBODY.
IT'S JUST SOME AREAS A LITTLE SHADE GOES A LONG WAY IN THE DESERT.
>> SO I WAS REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT YOU GUYS MENTIONED THE FACT THAT THERE REALLY IS NO BACK OF HOUSE WITH THE WAY THIS BUILDING IS SET UP SO THAT YOU ARE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE AIR CONDITIONERS AND BASICALLY THE WHOLE 365 VIEW OF THE BUILDING, SO I WAS VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THAT.
THE 12 SPACE STACKING WAS REALLY GOOD AS WELL.
YEAH, I THINK THE COLORS ARE GOOD.
IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET A COLOR BOARD.
COLORS ARE SO HARD TO SEE DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR COMPUTER SCREEN IS SET UP.
I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE RED, THAT THAT'S THE WENDY'S TRADEMARK.
AND THE PONY WALL IS VERY IMPORTANT.
THE ONE THING, THIS IS A VERY BIG LOT, RIGHT? I THINK IT'S 41,000 SQUARE FEET OVERALL.
AND THIS IS ONLY GOING TO COVER 7% OF THE SITE.
SO I DO THINK THAT TAKING A SERIOUS LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE AND MAKING SURE THAT IT IS HEAVY ENOUGH BUT STILL, OF COURSE, IS DROUGHT TOLERANT, WATER CONSERVATION, ALL OF THAT KIND OF THING IS STILL TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT I THINK YOU GUYS -- IT'S A VERY NICE-LOOKING BUILDING.
YEAH, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER FRANZ, IT'S A VERY NICE LOOKING BUILDING.
I LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY SEEING SOMETHING BROUGHT ON LIFE ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO MANY THINGS ARE CLOSING DOWN ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET OR ARE GOING OUT OF BUSINESS OR JUST TENANCY IS LEAN.
QUICK QUESTION IN REGARDS TO DELIVERIES.
I DON'T REALLY SEE A LARGE AREA FORE LIKE A TRUCK TO PARK WHEN THEY MAKE THEIR DELIVERIES.
WILL THEY BE LOADING IN FROM LIKE THE FAR, FAR SOUTH END, THE BACK END OF THE PARKING LOT BEYOND THE DRIVE-THROUGH OR WILL THEY BE PARKING CLOSER TO THE BUILDING, TAKING UP A LOT OF THOSE PARKING SPOTS TO MAKE THOSE DELIVERIES?
>> DELIVERIES TYPICALLY OCCUR WHEN THE BUILDING IS NOT OPEN, SO THE TRUCK WOULD PARK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT AND -- BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE SERVICE DOOR IS, THEY REAR, AND THERE'S A SERVICE RAMP THERE.
BUT WE DON'T GET DELIVERIES DURING BUSINESS HOURS SO IT WON'T BE BLOCKING ANYONE EXCEPT FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE.
KEVIN, IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, I GUESS YOU'LL BE GETTING BACK TOGETHER WITH THE APPLICANT AND KIND OF REVIEWING SOME OF THOSE SUGGESTIONS, AND SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE OPEN TO TAKING CONSIDERATIONS ON SOME OF THE ITEMS YOU NOTED, AND I'M GUESSING WE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO MAYBE SEEING A DESIGN PRESENTATION AT SOME POINT?
SO PROCEDURALLY THIS IS A PROJECT CONSULTATION.
THE APPLICANT, IF THEY DECIDE TO PROCEED FORWARD BASED ON CURRENT ZONING, THEY WILL BE SUBJECT ON A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND DESIGN REVIEW HEARING PROCESS.
THESE WILL BE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE PUBLIC SUBMITTAL, PAY ALL THE APPROPRIATE FEES AND THEN WE WOULD PROCESS NEM.
I WOULD JUST NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT THIS SITE IS ALSO WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PROPOSED HIGHWAY 111 CORRIDOR SPECIFIC PLAN THAT THE COMMISSION BE REVIEWING LAYER THIS YEAR AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
AT THIS TIME WE'RE STILL DEVELOPING THE PLAN.
BUT I THINK YOU CAN EXPECT THAT ANY DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES, THIS ISSUE OF ENHANCED ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRATION WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WERE DISCUSSING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN TERMS OF ANY RECOMMENDATIONS YOU MIGHT WANT TO MAKE, BUT THAT IS LATER THIS YEAR.
AND SO I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT WE WOULD BE TALKING WITH THE COMMISSION IN EARNEST UNTIL PROBABLY EARLY FALL, SO IF THE APPLICANT DOES MAKE SUBMITTAL PRIOR TO THAT AND HAS A VESTED AND COMPLETE APPLICATION, THAT WOULD BE PROCESSED UNDER THE RULES IN EFFECT AT THAT TIME.
>> MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
>> KEVIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD COME LATER IN THE PROCESS, BUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL, I JUST WANTED TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF DIRECTION ON WHEN WE SUBMIT THE APPLICATION, WHAT WILL YOU REQUIRE IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S GOING
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TO BE A CLASS 32 EXEMPTION OR A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT LATER?>> RICH, I CAN SAY THAT PROBABLY THIS WOULD FALL UNDER THE CEQA EXEMPTION GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE PARCEL.
WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK MORE OFFLINE ABOUT THAT BUT THAT WOULD LIKELY BE MY DETERMINATION.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO SUBSTANTIATE THAT LATER.
>> I MIGHT SUGGEST IF WE CHECK WITH MS. CASTILLO TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS SUBMITTED ON THIS ITEM BEFORE THERE'S ANY MORE DISCUSSION OR YOU MOVE ON TO PROCEED WITH ADDITIONAL ITEMS.
>> YEAH, LOOKS LIKE IN THE CHAT THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO POSSIBLY HAS A QUESTION OR WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
HE DOES NOT HAVE AUDIO SO HE IS UNABLE TO SPEAK AT THIS MOMENT.
I'M ASKING HIM IF HE'S ABLE TO CALL IN VIA PHONE.
>> ACTUALLY, I JUST GOT YOUR LINK.
I HAD SOME VERY TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, AND I DON'T WANT TO LIKE DERAIL WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, AND I KNOW VALERIE WAS SPEAKING ON OUR DESIGN AND INTENT, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO KIND WORK WITH STAFF PRIOR TO ANY NEXT LEVELS AND WE'RE GOING TO AGREE ON WHAT WE INTEND TO DO, SO I'M THE ONE THAT CONTROLS THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.
SO I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SQUARED AWAY ON THE BUILDING AND WE'RE GETTING A STAFF LEVEL REPORT WHERE WE OBTAIN STAFF LEVEL APPROVAL AND FROM THERE WE WOULD GO TO HEARING.
SO YOU WOULD MAKE A FORMAL SUBMITTAL AND THAT SUBMITTAL WOULD BE, ONCE IT'S DEEMED COMPLETE AND UNDER OUR RULES IS COMPLETE, IS THAT ALL THE REQUIRED ITEMS ARE SUBMITTED, AND WE WOULD ISSUE A LETTER OF NOTICE OF COMPLETENESS, AND AT THAT TIME WHATEVER PACKAGE YOU PUT FORWARD IN TERMS YOUR DESIGN REVIEW AND YOUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PACKAGE WOULD BE REVIEWED AND CONSIDERED BY STAFF FROM THE CITY AS WELL AS OTHER REVIEWERS FROM OUTSIDE AGENCIES AND THEN A FORMAL REPORT WOULD BE PREPARED, SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THERE IS NO NEGOTIATIONS, IF YOU WILL WITH BETWEEN YOURSELVES AND STAFF.
WE CERTAINLY ARE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU AND YOUR TEAM AND TALK ABOUT THE DESIGN ISSUES AND ASSIST AND GUIDE, BUT AT THE EBB END OF THE DAY ULTIMATELY YOU WILL PUTFORD WHAT YOU WANT TO COMMISSION TO CONSIDER DURING A FORMAL PROCESS AND THEY WOULD MA THE DECISION.
TYPICALLY PLANNING DECISIONS ARE FINAL.
>> WE WILL EITHER GET SUPPORT OR WE WILL NOT.
TO GO PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN WE WILL DECIDE THERE WHAT HAPPENS, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THAT IS A GREAT WAY TO SAY IT.
>> CHRISTOPHER, WHEN WE GET TOGETHER TOMORROW, I CAN GO INTO MORE DETAIL WITH YOU ON THE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS.
DID STAFF RECOMMEND OR NOT RECOMMEND OR ARE THEY JUST SILENT WHEN THEY SEND THE REPORT?
>> TYPICALLY STAFF HAS THE DISCRETION, BUT TYPICALLY WE RECOMMEND AN ACTION TO OUR COMMISSION.
>> IT'S DISCRETIONARY ON THE PART OF THE COMMISSION TO ACCEPT THAT.
>> WE'LL WORK WITH STAFF, AND IF YOU SAY, LET'S SAY WE TALK ABOUT THE COLORS AND IT'S COME UP THAT WE'LL DO THIS COLOR, WE WOULD CHANGE THAT SO THAT WE COULD GET STAFF APPROVAL OR -- STAFF RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD CAN'T TO GO BEFORE COMMISSION.
WE ALWAYS -- SO IN THE 600 PLUS RESTAURANTS I'VE DONE ACROSS THE U.S., I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.
I ALWAYS WORK TO OBTAIN STAFF APPROVAL, AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT MAKES YOUR LIFE LESS MISERABLE IN A HEARING.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY.
AND I APOLOGIZE THAT I CAME LATE BECAUSE I WAS HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.
BUT WE WILL WORK WITH STAFF PRIOR TO THE FINAL REPORT TO CONFIRM THAT WE ARE MEETING WITH THAT WE THINK ARE INDIO'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE BUILDING, THE SITE, THE LANDSCAPING, THE COLORS, THE DESIGN.
WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE WE ALL COME TO THE PARTY AND AGREE THAT WE'RE GOING TO WALK INTO A HEARING WHERE WE'RE LOCK STEP AND WE AGREE THAT WHAT WE THINK IS WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING IS APPROVABLE.
>> FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH US, AND I THINK
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RICH AND HIS COMPANY HAVE EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH OUR CITY AND THEY CAN GUIDE YOU THROUGH THAT.YOU'LL FIND THE STAFF IS PRETTY EASY TO WORK WITH.
WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BUT ULTIMATE IT'S THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION WHAT TO ACCEPT OR NOT ACCEPT OUR RECOMMENDATION.
BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU AND THE ENTIRE TEAM AND DEVELOP A PRODUCT THAT MEETS YOUR NEEDS AND MEETS THE NEEDS AND VISION OF THE CITY.
TOGETHER YOU'LL FIND THAT WE'RE VERY COLLABORATIVE IN THAT REGARD AND HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU, AND HOPEFULLY BRING YOU ALONG TO BE A NEW MEMBER OF OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
YEAH, NO, JUST HAVING BEEN THROUGH MANY, MANY ENTITLEMENTS, I'VE JUST LEARNED THAT YOU WANT TO WORK TO -- IT'S ALMOST LIKE WHAT I WOULD CALL THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF POSSIBLE APPROVAL THAT YOU CAN GET PRIOR TO THE HEARING SO THAT YOU ARE NOT SURPRISED AT THE LAST MINUTE.
AND WE'LL DEFINITELY WORK WITH YOU.
AND, YES, WE WANT -- WE WANT TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAINTAIN BRAN IDENTITY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME HAVING DEALT WITH CITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, I GET IT.
LIKE DEPENDING ON THE SITUATIONAL AWARENESS AND THE SITE ITSELF, HOW IT FACES THE STREET, HOW THE CARS ARE COMING OUT, WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MEET THE CODE, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS.
IF THAT'S EVERYTHING FOR 4.1, KEVIN, LET'S MOVE TO 4.2, PROJECT CONSULTATION
[4.2. Project Consultation - Proposed North Indio Residential Community by P...]
FOR PROPOSED NORTH INDIO RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY BY PULTE HOMES.>> WE'LL GIVE A MOMENT TO LOAD THE POWERPOINT HERE.
BUT AS THE CHAIR REFERENCED ITEM 4.2 IS A PROPOSED NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY IN NORTH INDIO.
SO THIS PROJECT IS AGAIN IN NORTH INDIO.
IT IS BOUNDED BY AVENUE 40 TO THE SOUTH, JEFFERSON TO THE WEST, AVENUE 38 TO THE NORTH AND MADISON TO THE EAST.
IT IS A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A LARGE DEVELOPMENT.
THEY'LL GET MORE INTO THAT, BUT IN SUMMARY, WE'RE LOOKING A APPROXIMATELY 1400 HOMES.
THIS WOULD BE A CONTINUATION, IF YOU WILL, WITH SOME REFINEMENTS OF THE DEL WEBB COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BUILT IN OUR CITY, SPECIFICALLY SUN CITY SHADOW HILLS.
THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION IS SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE CURRENT ZONING IS RESIDENTIAL LOW AND VILLAGE CORE.
I DO BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO BE PROPOSING TO PURSUE A SPECIFIC PLAN BUT THEY WILL GET MORE INTO THAT IN THEIR PRESENTATION.
THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED OF WHAT THE PROJECT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I THINK ONE OF THE DISTINCTIONS YOU'LL NOTE IS THERE IS NO GOLF COURSE ELEMENT, AND THE APPLICANT WILL GET INTO THAT FURTHER IN TERMS OF MARKET FORCES THAT HAVE KIND OF DICTATED THAT REMOVAL OF THAT DESIGN FEATURE.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A LARGE PROJECT.
THE APPLICANT HAS SHARED WITH STAFF THAT'S EXPECT IT TO BE BUILT IN MULTIPLE PHASES DEPENDING ON MARKET FORCES.
AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THE APPLICANT TEAM IS HERE IN PERSON AND THEY WILL BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU A FULL PRESENTATION.
THEY HAVE -- WHAT DID THEY SAY? -- A THREE-HOUR PRESENTATION I THINK THAT THEY WANT TO GIVE YOU.
I ASKED THEM TO DO IT IN 15 MINUTES INSTEAD.
AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT TEAM.
>> COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER, THEN, TO THE APPLICANT, PLEASE, KEVIN.
>> AND SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A MOMENT TO LOAD THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION AND DURING THAT TIME WHOEVER IS GOING TO GO FIRST CAN HEAD TOWARD THE PODIUM.
MY NAME IS DARREN WARREN AND I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF LAND AT PULTE GROUP DEL WEBB.
I'M HERE TONIGHT WITH OUR DESIGN TEAM WHICH CONSISTS OF MSA WHO IS HANDLING ALL OF OUR PLANNING AND OUR ENGINEERING.
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WE'RE HERE WITH MERIDIAN CONSULTANTS FOR HANDLE OUR EIR AND JIM WHO IS OUR LAND USE ATTORNEY AND ADVISER ON THIS PROJECT.WE'D LIKE TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS FOR PROVIDING US THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE OUR PROPOSAL FORE OUR NEW DEL WEBB ACTIVE ADULT COMMUNITY IN THE CITY OF INDIO.
THIS WILL BE OUR FOURTH DEL WEBB COMMUNITY IN THE COACHELLA VALLEY AND SECOND IN THE CITY OF INDIO.
WE'VE CREATED QUITE A LEGACY OUT HERE, AND ARE EXCITED TO SEE THAT CONTINUE.
IN FACT, WE HAVE BUILT NOW OVER 9,000 HOMES DATING BACK TO 1995 WHERE THE FIRST CLOSINGS AT SUNNY IS PALM DESERT WHICH WAS A COMMUNITY ABOUT 5,000 HOMES AND FOLLOWED THAT UP WITH OUR SUN CITY SHADOW HILLS THAT YOU SAW IS NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROJECT.
THIS IS PROTOCOL 3500 HOMES AND HAD A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF INDIO AT THAT TIME.
THEN MORE RECENTLY MOVED TO OUR SITE IN THE CITY OF RANCHO MIRAGE ARE, OUR DEL WEBB RANCHO MIRAGE WHERE WE HAVE CLOSING 600 THUNDERSTORMS AND HAVE 400 LEFT THERE.
OBVIOUSLY OVER THAT 30-YEAR PERIOD WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGE AND WE'VE SEEN OUR RESIDENTS CHANGE AS WELL, AND WE'VE FOUGHT TO KEEP UP WITH THEM.
TODAY'S DEL WEBB RESIDENTS AND PROSPECTS ARE MORE ACTIVE AND MORE YOUTHFUL THAN WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN PRIOR GENERATIONS WITH A REAL FOCUS ON HEALTH AND WELLNESS.
THEY'RE TRULY ACTIVE, SEEK VIBRANT, FULFILLED LIFESTYLES.
THEY WANT TO BE MORE CONNECTED, BOTH PHYSICALLY AND THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA.
THEY STILL ENJOY GOLF AND TENNIS, WHICH HAD BEEN OUR STAPLES, BUT ALSO HIKING TRAILS SEEM TO BE THE NUMBER ONE THING AS WELL AS PLAYING A TON OF PICKLEBALL, WHICH IS QUITE FUN.
THEY VALUE SUSTAINABILITY AND WANT TO LEAVE LESS OF A FOOTPRINT ON THE WORLD FOR THEIR CHILDREN.
THEY TRULY APPRECIATE ARTS, ENTERTAINMENT, AND ENJOY DINING AND DRINKING WITH THEIR FRIENDS.
OUR COMMUNITIES ARE LOCATED AND DESIGNED WITH THESE VALUES IN MIND.
FROM OUR END IT STEELS TO BE A PERFECT SYNERGIES WITH THE CITY OF INDIO AND ITS MONIKER AS THE CITY OF FESTIVALS.
OUR NEW RESIDENTS ARE TARGETING ENTERTAINMENT, THE ARTS, GREAT FOOD AND THE WAYS TO STAY ACTIVE AND HEALTHY.
THESE ARE JUST THE ATTRIBUTES THAT TODAY'S INDIO HAS TO OFFER, SO WE THINK IT'S A PERFECT PARTNERSHIP.
WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO PAUL WITH MSA WHO IS GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH OUR PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
>> SO THE ARROWS ADVANCE ME, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
IS THERE A POINTER ON THIS TOO?
>> SO FIRST OF ALL 1 KEVIN, YOU STOLE MY THUNDER ON YOUR PRESENTATION.
>> WHAT WAS GOING TO BE A THREE AND A HALF HOUR PRESENTATION WILL PROBABLY END UP BEING 15 MINUTES SO YOU DID EVERYBODY A SERVICE THERE.
SO LET ME JUST KIND OF MAYBE DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT INTO WHAT KEVIN'S LARD TOLD YOU IN TERMS OF -- ALREADY TOLD YOU IN TERMS OF LOCATION.
AS HE MENTIONED THIS PROPERTY IN NORTH INDIO BOUNDED BY JEFFERSON, MADISON, 38TH AND 40TH.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS LOCATION MAP, IT'S NEAR TO THE EXISTING SUN CITY SHADOW HILLS PROJECT.
THE THREE QUADRANTS TO THE SOUTH AND EAST OF THIS YOU CAN SEE THE GOLF COURSE AND THINGS THAT NOW CONSTITUTE THAT PROJECT RIGHT NOW.
TO THE NORTH IN THE LITTLE NOTCH THERE IS THE TREATMENT PLANT.
NORTH OF THE PROJECT IS THE TALAVERA PROJECT.
AND THEN THE HIGH SCHOOL IS ACROSS JEFFERSON TO THE WEST.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS KIND OF A DOUGHNUT HOLE.
IT'S LARGE PIECE OF BROUGHT ABOUT IT INFILLS THE CURRENT FABRIC OF SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT UP IN THAT AREA.
AND THEN ALONG A NUMBER OF THESE PUBLIC ROUTES ADJACENT TO THE PROJECT, WE HAVE A, KIND OF A ABUTTING PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE ROUTE SYSTEM THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF TYING INTO.
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TAKING A LITTLE CHORES LOOK AT THE PROJECT, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED SUBDIVISION.IT'S ABOUT 37 -- SORRY, 7 -- 377 ACRES, AND WILL RESULT IN ABOUT 171500 HOMES WHEN BUILT.
THERE IS HAD A CENTRAL CLUBHOUSE AMENITY.
IN PLACE OF THAT ARE KIND OF A SYSTEM OF INTERCONNECTED PASEOS WITHIN THE PROJECT.
THERE ARE BUFFERS ADJACENT TO THE TREATMENT PLANT.
AND THEN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ENTRY OPTIONS, ONE A LITTLE MORE TRADITIONAL, AND THEN A SECOND ONE THAT WE UTILIZE A TURNING CIRCLE THERE WHICH HAS SOME ADVANTAGES IN TERMS OF BOTH KIND OF A PRESENTATION OF THE PROJECT AS WELL AS SOME SAFETY ISSUES, BUT THE JURY IS STILL OUT ON A THAT A LITTLE BIT AND WE WILL DO WHAT THE CITY WANTS SEE BUT WANTED TO SHOW YOU THESE OPTIONS IN THE PRESENTATION TO YOU TODAY.
LOOKING AT THE STRUCTURE OF THE PROJECT, THE PURPLE LINES HERE SHOW THE VEHICULAR SYSTEM, THE GREEN LINES SHOW THE PEDESTRIAN SYSTEM.
SO THERE ARE MAJOR POINTS OF ACCESS ON 38, 40TH AND MADISON.
AND THEN KIND OF A LOOP SYSTEM THAT ACTS AS THE BALANCE OF THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST.
THE GREEN LINE SHOWS KIND OF THE CONNECTION OF MAJOR BACKBONE PASAOO 1ST THROUGHOUT SO THIS LEASED INTO THAT CENTRAL CORE AMENITY AND BRANCH OUT TO THE PUBLIC ROADS ON THE EDGE TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT WITH THAT, THOSE PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE PATTERNS THAT WE SAW EARLIER.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE ARE BETWEEN ONE AND TWO DIFFERENT KIND OF MAJOR CONNECTIONS OUT FROM THE PROJECT TO ALLOW IF YOU WANTED TO BIKE OR WALK INTO THE BROADER SYSTEM THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
WE'RE ENVISIONING ABOUT FIVE MAJOR PHASES TO THE PROJECT, AND THESE WOULD MOVE FROM SOUTHEAST TO NORTHWEST.
OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE A LITTLE INFLUENCED BY DEMAND AND THINGS, SO THIS COULD VARY, BUT THIS GIVES YOU A GENERAL IDEA OF HOW THE PROGRESSION OF THE PROJECT AND UTILITIES WOULD COOKER.
AND THEY WOULD ENVISION THIS PROBABLY IN ABOUT A EIGHT-YEAR BUILD-OUT TO THIS PROGRAM.
SO WITH THAT I'LL OPPORTUNITY BACK OVER THE DARREN AND HE CAN TELL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THEY ENVISION THE PROJECT TO BE LIKE WITH SOME POINTS AND PHOTOS.
SO THAT GIVES YOU THE SITE AND WHAT OUR THINKING IS THERE, AND I THINK YOU CAN SEE IN LOOKING AT THAT IS EVERYTHING IS KIND OF GEARED TOWARD THIS CONNECTIVITY.
AS YOU NOTED, WE'VE NOW GOTTEN RID OF -- GOTTEN RID OF -- WE'RE ELECTING NOT TO BUILD YET ANOTHER GOLF COURSE OUT HERE.
WE'VE GOT A GREAT GOLF COURSE TO THE SOUTH, ANOTHER EXECUTIVE COURSE TO THE EAST, AND I THINK THEY'LL BENEFIT FROM THE ADDITIONAL PLAY, AND WE PLAN TO HAVE A DEAL WITH THAT HOA AND TO TRY TO INCORPORATE OUR USERS INTO THAT GROUP.
BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THIS AND WHAT WE LEARN IN OUR RANCHO MIRAGE PROJECT IS THERE'S BETTER USES FOR OUR RESIDENTS FOR THAT OPEN SPACE, SO WE HAVE TAKEN WHAT IS SIMILAR SIZE OPEN SPACE AND SPREAD IT OUT TO MORE AREAS.
YOU'LL SEE SEPARATIONS BETWEEN BACKYARDS MORE THAN YOU'LL SEE ON OTHER PROJECTS, AND YOU'LL ALSO SEE THESE WALKING PASEOS SO WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT OPEN SPACE BECAUSE IT'S MORE USEFUL.
WHEN YOU HAVE A GOLF COURSE, YOU DON'T GET THAT BECAUSE US EVER AS YOU ABUSE PEOPLE CAN'T WALK ON IT WHEN THEY'RE PLAYING GOLF.
WE WANT TO INCORPORATE THAT HERE.
THE OTHER WEISE OF HAVING SUCCESS WITH DEL WEBB IS REALLY ABOUT PRESENT THAT BE LIFESTYLE AND THAT NEXT STEP, AND THAT'S ABOUT HAVING, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, VIBRANT, THRIVING LIFESTYLE, AND THAT STARTS WITH IN THE DEL WEBB MODEL ON FACILITATING THAT LIFESTYLE, WHICH IS WE WANT TO HAVE FULL-TIME GENERAL MANAGER, LIFESTYLE DIRECTOR AND SUPPORT STAFF AND MAINTENANCE AND THE LIKE.
AND THAT GROUP, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THE COMMON INTEREST GROUPS AND CLUBS FOR EVENT PLANNING, FOR EXCURSION PLANNING, FOR DEALING WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE AND FORMING GROUPS WITH THEM SO THAT THERE'S SYNERGIES BETWEEN THE VARIOUS RESIDENTIAL GROUPS.
ANOTHER BIG PART OF WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OBVIOUSLY IS THE TRAILS, THE POCKET PARKS, THE REST AREAS ARE ESSENTIAL TO THE DEL WEBB LIFESTYLE.
WE ALSO VIEW THIS AS RESORT LIVING, AND WE ALWAYS WANT TO CARRY WITH THIS THAT KIND OF GRAND RESORT ENTRY SO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE COMING TO A PLACE, YOU'RE STAYING TO VACATION, YET THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE LIVING.
THIS ALL CENTERS AROUND, AS WE MENTIONED, THIS AMENITY CENTER, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'VE PUT A LOT OF OUR, DESIGN EFFORTS, AND YOU GET THAT GREAT PLAY AREA FOR OUR PEOPLE.
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AND THE TYPE THING WE HAVE IN THERE, A BIG GREAT ROOM FOR JOINING.THIS IS A NEWER THING THAT WE'VE DONE.
YOU WON'T SEE IN OUR OLDER DEL WEBBS.
THIS INDOOR/OUTLOWER DOOR LIVING AND THESE BREEZE WAYS WE'RE CREATING ARE FOR PEOPLE TO HANG OUT WITH THE ABILITY TO SHUT THOSE DOWN WHEN IT'S 110 IN THE DESERT.
OF COURSE, FITNESS CENTERS, GAME ROOMS, BOTH COVERED AND OUTDOOR POOLS WITH LAP SCHOOLS, THE GAME AM RADIO, EVENT LAWN.
WITH CWWD WE WILL ADHERE TO RESTRICTIONS BUT THE WATER WE DO HAVE WE WANT TO MAKE SUES OF IT AND WANT PEOPLE TO ENJOY IT.
AGAIN THERE'S ADDITIONAL ACTIVITY ROOMS, CONFERENCE ROOMS, COMPUTER ROOMS OF AND THE LIKE.
THAT'S A HUGE FOCUS OF IT, AND JUST WANTED TO KIND OF RUN YOU THROUGH A COUPLE DESIGNS THAT WE'VE DONE RECENTLY AND JUST GIVE YOU A LOOK AT IT.
THIS IS KIND OF A BIRD'S-EYE VIEW THAT THOSE AT RANCHO MIRAGE CURRENTLY WHAT WE'VE GOT.
THAT'S OUR BIG AMENITY CORE THERE, SOME OF THE WALKING TRAILS ON THE PICTURE ON THE TOP, AND THEN THAT KIND OF GRAND ENTRY THAT I MENTIONED.
MOVING THROUGH, THIS IS OUR LAKE LAS VEGANS PROJECT THAT'S RECENTLY BEEN BUILT OUT, AND THIS KIND OF SHOWS YOU ON THE LEFT IS REALLY THE BALLROOM, THE FEATURE, THE BREEZEWAY FEATURE IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN SOME OF THE OTHER ROOMS AND FITNESS WITH THE POOL AREA, RESORT POOL ON THE RIGHT.
AND WE JUST HAVE A FEW OF THESE TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF KIND OF THE STYLES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS WELL, A LITTLE BIT MORE MODERN THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, STILL USING PLASTIC STYLES BUT SHARPER LINES, MORE PROGRESSIVE COLORING AND THE LIKE.
AGAIN, A BETTER PICTURE OF THE POOL AMENITY.
AND THIS ONE HERE IS ACTUALLY A TRUE PHOTO OF OUR RANCHO MIRAGE PROJECT AB IT'S ULTIMATELY BEEN BUILT OUT.
YOU CAN SEE THE EVENT LAWN, AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING INTO, THAT LIGHTED AREA, IS THAT BREEZEWAY THAT'S COMPLETELY OPEN, THE GREAT ROOM TO THE RIGHT THAT TIES INTO THAT, AND THEN THE MULTIPLE POOLS ON THE LEFT.
AND THIS IS FROM WITHIN THAT BREEZEWAY, AND YOU GET A FEEL FOR WHAT A GREAT FEEL THAT IS.
THE VIEWS OF THE SANTA ROSAS HERE.
WE ENVISION SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT IN THIS PROJECT.
THE USE OF JUST WANT TO DEMONSTRATE KIND OF THE USE OF THE WATER.
THIS SITS OUTSIDE OF THAT EVENT LAWN FOR ENJOYMENT FROM OUR -- FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
THAT ENTRY FEATURE THAT I MENTIONED, THIS IS THE GUARD SHACK WHEN YOU COME IN, THAT RESORT FEEL AS YOU MOVE IN.
AND THEN MOVING OUT FRONT, REALLY A GRAND, A GREAT SENSE OF ARRIVAL AS YOU GET TO YOUR NEW HOME.
WITH THAT, JUST KIND OF WANTED TO PUSH THROUGH A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING CLOSELY WITH YOU AS WE DIAL IN THE DESIGNS ON THIS, YOU THE ABOUT WE JUST WANT TO KIND OF GIVE YOU OUR CONCEPTS.
WE'RE SANTIAGO WITH SOME CLASSIC CONCEPTS, SPANISH, ITALIANATE, TUSCAN, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, AND IT DOESN'T LOSE AT LURE BUT WE WANT TO MODERNIZE IT SOMEWHAT.
I THINK YOU'LL SEE LESS TEXTURE, SHARPER LINES, BETTER COLORATION ON SOME OF THESE.
THIS WOULD BE MORE OF OUR ITALIANATE WITH THE STONE TILE ON THE OUTSIDE.
A LITTLE BIT MORE THE SPANISH BUT LESS ORNATE.
AGAIN, ITALIANATE IN ONE OF OUR LARGER MODELS.
AND WE KIND OF SEE THIS AS KIND OF THE BUILD-OUT WITH SOME MATERIALS, DIFFERENT MATERIALS WE'LL USE ON THE FRONT OF THESE.
AND FINALLY KIND OF A TUSCAN STYLE.
SO IT JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE WE ARE THINKING WE'RE GOING AND, OF COURSE, BE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT STYLES WE MIGHT INTRODUCE ON THIS PROJECT.
THIS IS FROM OUR LAKE LAS VEGAS PROJECT.
AND WITH THAT, I THINK THAT COVERS OUR PRESENTATION, OUR FORMAL PRESENTATION, AND WE'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS I'LL START WITH.
YOU WERE SAYING A PROPOSED EIGHT-YEAR BUILD OUT.
IS THAT COMPARABLE TO YOUR SCHEDULING FOR SOME OF THE OTHER RECENT DEVELOPMENTS, DEL WEBB OUT HERE LIKE DEL WEBB RANCHO MIRAGE I KNOW IS STILL BEING BUILT.
IS THAT A SIMILAR TIMELINE OR IS THIS A LITTLE BIT LONGER OF A TIMELINE 1234.
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WE'RE AT ABOUT 1,000 HOMES, 1,028 AT RANCHO MIRAGE AND OUR BUILD-OUT PACE IS MUCH GREATER THAN WE ANTICIPATED THERE.
IT'S GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE ON THE ORDER OF FOUR AND A HALF TO FIVE YEARS.
WE ANTICIPATE BEING SOMEWHERE AROUND 180 TO 200 A YEAR, AND SO I THINK THIS PUTS, AS WE SAY EIGHT YEARS, THAT'S 187 A YEAR.
WHEN YOU LOOK BACK, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN SHADOW HILLS WAS SELLING AT $500 I A YEAR -- 500 A YEAR AND TIMES 100.
WE TEIN TO MOVE THROUGH A COUPLE OF MARKETS WITH THESE LONG RANGE PROJECTS BUT WE FEEL EIGHT IS A PRETTY BIG GAUGE.
>> YEAH, I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE DEL WEBB FACILITIES IN RANCHO MIRAGE AND I AM A BIG FAN OF THOSE WALKING PASEOS AS YOU CALLED PEM CONNECTING THE COMMUNITY, KIND OF GIVES A NICE LOOK RATHER THAN JUST HAVING HOMES BUTT UP AGAINST EACH OTHER, THEIR BACKYARDS YARDS, GIVES THEM WALKABILITY AND NICE LANDSCAPING THROUGHOUT THIS PROPERTY.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOUR CONCEPTS AS YOU DEVELOP THEM FOR THIS PROJECT.
ALSO, SOME OF THE CONCEPTS THAT YOU WERE JUST SHOWING LOOK LIKE SOME OF THEM WERE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER SIZE AND SOME WERE QUITE A BIT LARGER.
DO YOU HAVE A PRETTY BROAD RANGE OF PROPOSED SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THESE HOMES? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THAT IS RANGING FROM?
WE'VE GOT -- AWAY BASICALLY INTRODUCED THREE DIFFERENT LOT SIZES TO HIT DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS, AND WE GO ANYWHERE FROM A 45 WIDE LOT UP TO LIKE A 64-FOOT WIDE LOT, SO OUR PRODUCTS ARE, THAT WE'RE REPUBLIC ARE 35, 42 AND 54 FEET WIDE.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SEEING WITH THE DIFFERENT SIZES OF THE HOUSES.
AND THEY KIND OF HIT THOSE DIFFERENT RANGES ANYWHERE FROM ABOUT 1200 SQUARE FEET ON OUR SMALLEST UP TO ROUGHLY 2800, AND WE MIGHT EVEN HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL FOOTAGE THAT CAN BE ADDED TO THAT LARGER PLAN, BUT I THINK WE PEAK OUT AT JUST OVER 2800 I THINK ON THE LARGE PLAN.
IF ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, PLEASE.
>> YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
I LOVE THE FACT THAT THERE'S NOT A GOLF COURSE.
I LOVE THE FACT THAT THERE IS THE PASEO.
IT LOOKS LIKE PASEOS ARE GOING TO BE MORE DESERT LANDSCAPE.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO BE GREENBELT, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> YEAH, WE'LL -- WE'RE GOING TO PUT AS MUCH GREEN AS WE CAN AWAY WITH.
IF YOU CAN THROUGH MIRAGE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S SOME POCKETS WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO TAKE SOME OF THE TRAILS AND ROLL THEM IN AND HAVE THAT KIND OF COOL GREEN SPACE.
MAYBE WE'LL PUT A TABLE THERE.
BUT WE GET REAL LIMITED BECAUSE OF WATER USAGE WITH CDWD ON HOW MUCH WE CAN HAVE.
SOMETIMES IT'S ABOUT ACTIVATING AN AREA SO WE'LL TRY TO MAKE THAT ACT OF TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT WE'LL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN, BELIEVE ME, TO MAXIMUM THAT.
WE DO PUT IT CERTAINLY -- CERTAINLY WE USE SOME OF THAT NEAR THE CLUBHOUSE BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG GATHERING AREA, BUT WE'LL PUT IT STRATEGICALLY WHERE WE CAN AND CONNECT IT WITH MORE OF THAT DESERT SCAPE YOU SEE.
I MEAN, I GUESS THAT THE GREEN SPACE HAS A PURPOSE AND ACTIVATION, GREAT.
IF IT'S JUST TO LOOK PRETTY, WE OF COURSE HAVE TO WATCH OUR WATER CONSUMPTION OUT HERE.
YOU MENTIONED ABOUT HOW ACTIVE PEOPLE ARE NOW IN RETIREMENT VERSUS MAYBE, YOU KNOW, 30, 40 YEARS AGO.
I DIDN'T SEE ANY PICKLEBALL COURTS TENNIS COURTS LISTED IN YOUR AMENITIES.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE OR YOU ARE AT THIS POINT NOT GOING TO HAVE?
TENNIS USED TO BE A MAJOR PART AND WE'D HAVE TOURNAMENTS THERE SO WE MIGHT HAVE SIX OR EIGHT COURTS.
WE STILL HAVE THE TENNIS PLAYERS WHO WILL PROBLEM, ON A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE, TWO TO FOUR.
WE'LL DO OUR STUDIES TO FIGURE OUT WHAT LEVEL WE HAVE.
BUT THE OTHER SIDE IS THE PICKLEBALL IS EXPLODING AND THAT ABSOLUTELY WILL BE THERE.
I'VE GOT TO STRAIGHTEN THAT OUT IN THE PRESENTATION SO THAT'S CLEAR.
PROBABLY ANYWHERE FROM SIX TO EIGHT PICKLEBALL COURTS WITH THE TYPE OF USAGE WE GET NOW.
AND TEN THIS JURY IS STILL OUT ON BOCCE.
IT'S BEING PLAYED LESS BUT WE'LL EVALUATE THAT.
MAYBE IT'S YET ANOTHER PICKLEBALL COURT.
>> WHEN -- I HAVE LOTS OF FRIENDS THAT LIVE IN BOTH SIDES OF PALM DESERT AND SUN CITY SHADOW HILLS, AND THE ONE DIFFERENCE THAT EVERYBODY ALWAYS POINT OUTS IS THAT PALM DESERT HAS SIDEWALKS AND SUN CITY SHADOW HILLS DOES NOT, AND SOME PEOPLE FEEL MAYBE SAFER WALKING ON A SIDEWALK, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THESE LOT OF THE SIDEWALKS BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO WALK IN THE PASEOS
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INSTEAD OF ON THE STREET?>> YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO BECAUSE WE DEBATE THAT, RIGHT? IF THERE'S A ROUTE THAT THEY CAN GET THERE WITH A TRAIL, THEN WE'D SAY, HEY, THAT'S A BETTER USE OF THAT SPACE.
IF WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD CONNECTION, THEN THAT PARTICULAR AREA NEEDS TO HAVE A SIDEWALK.
AND I THINK THAT'S ONE WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK WITH YOU FOLKS ABOUT AS WE'RE DESIGNING THIS.
AND EVALUATE WHERE THE BEST PLACE FOR SIDEWALKS ARE.
OBVIOUSLY ON THE MAIN BACKBONE AREAS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT MEANDERING SIDEWALKS AND VARIOUS WALKWAYS ALONG THOSE, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IN FRONT OF THE HOMES THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHEN WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE WAY TO WALK THROUGH.
PEOPLE JUST DON'T FEEL, I GUESS, SAFE WALKING ON THE ACTUAL STREET SOMETIMES, SO MAKE SURE WE TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THAT.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE LAKE, DON'T GET ME WRONG, I LOVE LAKES.
THE SOUND OF RUNNING WATER IS JUST AMAZING.
BUT WITH ALL OF THE WATER SHORTAGES THAT WE'VE GOT IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, I'M ASSUMING THAT CBWD IS BEING VERY, VERY CAREFUL AS WHO-TO-HOW MUCH WATER USAGE FOR BASICALLY AN AMENITY OR SOMETHING THAT LOOKS GOOD AND SOUNDS GREAT IS BEING DONE, SO I ASSUMING YOU'RE GOING TO BE MEETING AND DISCUSSING THAT WITH THEM IN GREAT DETAIL.
AND THIS IS UNIQUE, TOO, IN THAT WE'VE GOT RECLAIMED, RECYCLED WATER READILY AVAILABLE, AND SO THE QUESTION IS, MIGHT THAT BE -- MIGHT WE BE ABLE TO USE THAT TO PROVIDE SOME OF THE FEATURES.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO GO ON WITH CBWD ON THIS.
CERTAINLY OBVIOUSLY WE ARE LIMITED AND WE'LL DO WHATEVER LIMITATIONS THEY PUT ON US BUT WE'RE HOPING WE CAN BE CREATIVE AND GET AS MANY WATER-TYPE FEATURES AS POSSIBLE.
AND MY LAST QUESTION OR BASICALLY A COMMENT WAS I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT THE PLAN IS TO, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A SEPARATE HOA, RIGHT, FROM THE OTHER TWO SUN CITY SHADOW HILLS, THAT THE OWNERS WILL BE ABLE TO BASICALLY USE EACH OTHER AMENITIES.
DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CLEARLY?
WE'RE GETTING A TON OF PUSHBACK FROM OUR SHADOW HILLS FRIENDS IF WE SHIPPED THEM OVER THERE.
WHAT WE WANT TO IS CERTAINLY THE PUBLIC GOLF, WE WANT TO SET UP A DEAL BETWEEN THE HOAS SO THAT OUR FOLKS HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE THOSE COURSES IN THOSE AMENITIES.
AS FAR AS THE OTHERS, THAT'S WHERE KIND OF THE LIFESTYLE DIRECTORS CAN GET TOGETHER AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME JOINT USE THAT MAKES SENSE.
CERTAINLY JOINT PARTIES FOR CERTAIN THINGS OR GET-TOGETHERS OR GETTING A BAND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE COME OUT, WE WANT THEM TO BE TALKING AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME SYNERGIES BETWEEN THOSE GROUPS THAT HELP THE TWO, BUT WE WOULD NOT ENVISION HAVING ACCESS TO ALL OF THE FACILITIES IN SHADOW HILLS FOR THIS USER.
>> SO EACH -- EACH SHADOW HILLS 1, 2 AND NOW 3 WILL USE MOSTLY THEIR OWN AMENITIES.
WE WILL SIZE THIS FOR OUR 1500 TO 1500 HOMES, ACCORDINGLY AND -- 1400 TO 1500 HOMES, AND LIKE I SAID WE'LL SEE WHAT JOINT USES THERE MIGHT BE BETWEEN A SEPARATE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE HOAS.
>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
SO YOU'RE A PART OF PULTE HOMES.
ARE YOU PART OF THE PULTE HOMES THAT IS BUILDINGS IN PALM DESERT FINISHING UP THAT DEVELOPMENT?
>> YEAH, THAT'S A -- IT'S NOT BRANDED DEL WEBB BUT IT'S WHAT WE CALL ACTIVE ADULT BECAUSE IT'S HALF THE BUILT OUT.
IT DOESN'T HAVE SOME OF THE AMENITIES THAT NORMALLY A DEL WEBB DOES SO WE'VE KEPT IT UNDER THAT BRAND NAME.
YOU GUYS DO A GREAT JOB IN THE COMMUNITY.
I'VE SOLD A FEW HOMES IN THERE AND I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL I TURN 65 AND I CAN GO LIVE IN THERE.
AS FAR AS THE GATE, HOW MANY GATES DO YOU GUYS PLAN ON HAVING FOR ENTRY, TO ENTER AND AND IT THE COMPLEX? AND WHERE DO YOU PLAN ON PUTTING THE MAIN GATE?
>> RIGHT NOW I THINK WE'VE GOT -- THE MAIN GATE IS COMING -- CURRENTLY THE WAY WE'VE GOT IT PLANNED IS OFF OF 40TH ACROSS FROM THE CURRENT GOLF COURSE ENTRY SO THAT WE KIND OF SHARE THAT.
I THINK THAT HELPS BOTH THE GOLF COURSE.
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THERE'S ONE SIGNAL AT THAT POINT.THAT'S WHERE WE POTENTIALLY CONTEMPLATED A ROUNDABOUT, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE PRIMARY ENTRY, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE AN ENTRY OFF OF MADISON THAT IS ACROSS FROM THE EXISTING SHADOW HILLS ENTRY ON MADISON, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL ENTRY ON 38TH.
AND WE'VE ELECTED TO KEEP THE ENTRY OFF OF JEFFERSON OVER THERE BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC AND JUST NOT WANTING TO ADD TO THAT.
SO THE ENTRIES OFF OF MADISON AND AVENUE 38, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH FOR THE RESIDENTS.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FOR ANY GUESTS.
>> YEAH, THE GUESTS WOULD COME OFF THE MAIN ENTRY ON 40TH.
>> DO WE MEAN ON -- AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S A QUESTION FOR YOU OR FOR STAFF AS FAR AS ANY SIGNAL LIGHTS THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE PUT IN FRONT OF THE MAIN ENTRY.
I KNOW AVENUE 40 TENDS TO BE -- THE TRAFFIC TEND TO BE A LITTLE HEAVY ESPECIALLY DURING SCHOOL DROPOFF AND PICKUP TIME.
>> I CAN ANSWER THAT, COMMISSIONER.
SO THE APPLICANT WILL BE PREPARING A ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT.
AS THE COMMISSION MAY BE AWARE, THIS IS AN 67 ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS THAT ADDRESSES A NUMBER OF ISSUE AREAS, INCLUDING TRANSPORTATION AND TRAFFIC.
EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION IT WAS REFERENCED THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A POTENTIAL ROUNDABOUT ACCESS OFF OF AVENUE 40.
THAT COULD REPLACE THE NEED FOR A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION.
HOWEVER, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE CONTINUING TO TALK WITH OUR CITY ENGINEERING TEAM ABOUT.
SO THAT ISSUE OF THE APPROPRIATENESS OF SIGNALS, THE WARRANTS FOR SIGNALS, THAT WILL BE LOOKED AT AS PART OF THAT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, AND THE APPLICANT, AS I SAID EARLIER, WILL BE PREPARING THAT AND ULTIMATELY YOU AS A COMMISSION WILL BE LOOKING AT THAT AND DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT YOU FIND THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL THE CERTIFICATION OF THAT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT.
NOW, AS FAR AS THE BUILDING OUD, YOU MENTIONED THERE'S GOING TO BE HOW MANY PHASES? I'M SORRY.
AND I KNOW YOU HAVE EIGHT YEARS TO BUILD OUT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, BUT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HOW LONG EACH PHASE IS GOING TO TAKE AND HOW MANY PHASES THERE'S GOING TO BE?
>> YEAH, WE'VE GOT THIS BROKEN DOWN INTO FIVE MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PHASES, BUT EACH ONE OF THOSE PHASES WILL HAVE A PHASING OF ITS OWN, SO REALLY WHEN WE ROLL OUT A PHASE, IT'S MORE ON THE ORDER OF 20, 20 HOUSES OR SO.
AND THEN WE'LL ROLL -- THOSE 20 WOULD COME OUT ALONG ALL INTO PHASE 1 FIRST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DELIVER FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT BE WITH STREETS AND THE LOTS, AND THE CLUBHOUSE AREA, YOU KNOW, WE DELIVER THAT FIRST AND THEN WE'LL GO AND DEVELOP 2 AND THEN 3.
THOSE ARE OUR MASS DEVELOPMENT PHASES, NOT SO MUCH THE INDIVIDUAL HOME PHASES.
AND AS FAR AS SUPPLIES, I KNOW WITH -- AND THIS IS NOT YOUR COMPANY, IT'S WITH ANOTHER BUILDER THAT WAS BUILDING NEW HOMES DURING COVID.
I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE SUPPLIES ARE VERY SCARCE, SO THE END PRODUCT OF A NEW HOME WASN'T THE BEST.
I KNOW CLIENTS THAT HAD PURCHASED NEW HOMES AND WITHIN A WEEK THERE WAS A FLOOD.
THERE WAS THINGS FALLING APART IN THE KITCHEN.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SEE HOW -- HOW IS THE SUPPLY? ARE YOU AUB TO GET GOOD QUALITY SUPPLIES TO BUILD OR -- I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BUILDING GOOD WITH ALL THE HOMES, NOT THAT THE OTHER COMPANY DIDN'T BUILD A GOOD QUALITY HOME BUT JUST BECAUSE WHAT AVAILABLE TO THEM AT THE TIME.
THE END PRODUCT FOR SOME OF THESE PEOPLE WASN'T THE BEST.
THAT'S A MAJOR -- THAT'S A MAJOR, MAJOR FOCUS FOR OUR CONSTRUCTION SIDE OF THE BUSINESS NATIONALLY.
WE'VE GOT NATIONAL AGREEMENTS ON MOST THE MAJOR COMPONENTS OF THE HOUSE, AND BECAUSE WE'RE THE THIRD LARGEST BUILDER IN THE COUNTRY, WE DO GET PRIORITY OVER OTHERS, SO, YES, WE'VE BATTLED TO GET CERTAIN THINGS, BUT AS FAR AS THE CORE OF THE HOUSE, THAT HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE FOR US, CONCRETE, LUMBER.
WE ARE GETTING EVERYTHING WE NEED.
THERE'S TIMES WHEN WE STRUGGLED A LITTLE BIT WITH APPLIANCES, AND WE'VE HAD TO PUT -- SUBSTITUTE APPLIANCES IN IN THE SHORT RUN AND WE'RE HAVING TO COME BACK LATER AND REPLACE THOSE.
BUT AGAIN, WE KIND OF STAND BY EVERYTHING WE DO FROM A QUALITY STANDPOINT.
IT'S A MAJOR FOCAL POINT IN OUR COMPANY.
AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
IF WE HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING IN THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY
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SPECIFIED, WE'RE GOING THROAT YOU KNOW.WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE SCHEDULE IS TO REPLACE IT.
BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY NEVER BUT LOW QUALITY MATERIALS INTO THE HOUSE AND BE WE'LL STAND BY THAT.
AND I THINK ANOTHER FACTOR INTO HAVING A QUALITY PRODUCT IS OBVIOUSLY TAKING CARE OF OUR WORKERS.
THEY'RE OUT THERE WORKING IN 100 PLUS DEGREE WEATHER AND GOING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, LOSSES TO FAMILY MEMBERS FOR COVID, SO MAYBE OFFERING -- THIS IS SOMETHING CRAZY -- OFFERING DOUGHNUTS FOR THEM ON FRIDAY SO THEY CAN SHOW UP TO WORK AND BUILD A BEAUTIFUL HOME AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY -- THE BUILDING OR JUST SOMETHING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PROVIDING A GOOD WORK ENVIRONMENT FOR THEM, TOO, BECAUSE I THINK THAT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE END PRODUCT OF WHATEVER PROJECT WE'RE WORKING ON.
HAVING BEEN OUT HERE AS LONG AS WE HAVE, I THINK THAT HELPS.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT YOU GET INTO CONDITIONS THAT ARE JUST UNBEARABLE AT TIMES, AND SO WE'VE MODIFIED OUR WORK DAYS TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT OUT THERE AT THE HOTTEST TIMES OF THE DAY AND MAKE SURE THAT THE SHADE STRUCTURES AND THE WATER FACILITIES AND ALL THE OTHER SUPPORT FACILITIES ARE THERE.
THAT'S A MUST ON OUR JOB SITES.
JOB SAFETY IS A FOCAL POINT FOR OUR COMPANY.
OUR CONSTRUCTION VP GETS BONUSED ON IT.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT, BELIEVE ME.
AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT IT IS DANGEROUS OUT THERE WORKING IN THIS DESERT CONDITIONS, AND LIKE I SAID, WE VALUE OUR WORKERS BECAUSE AS MANY HOUSES WE'RE BUILDING, IF WE DON'T IRRELEVANT TAKE CARE OF THEM, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE THERE FOR US.
THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS AND FOR YOUR TIME.
>> I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
>> I NOTICED ON THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE TWO PROPOSED SUBSTATIONS.
WE REALLY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT'S A CONVERSATION YOU'RE INVOLVED WITH IID AS TO WHERE THAT SUBSTATION IS GOING TO EVENTUALLY BE PLACED, CORRECT?
>> YEAH, WE'RE -- RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN THE -- THE SECONDARY ONE IS WHERE WE DON'T WANT TO BE.
WE WANT TO BE ON THE TOP ONE THAT'S NEXT TO THOSE LOTS THERE.
WE'RE IN FINAL NEGOTIATIONS TO PURCHASE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IF SORRY FOR SOME REASON WE CAN'T PURCHASE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, THEN WE WOULD LOOK TO MOVE TO THE OTHER LOCATIONS.
BOTH THE OTHER LOCATIONS ARE SUITED WELL FOR THE TRANSMISSION LINE THAT WE CAN FEED OFF OF WHICH IS ON 40TH.
SO IT KIND OF DECREASES THE NEW TRANSMISSION THAT WOULD NEED TO GO IN.
BUT, YEAH, IN OUR EARLY DISCUSSIONS WITH IID THEY'RE SAYING THIS WHOLE REGION, FOR THIS REGION TO GET POWERED UP IT'S ESSENTIAL A SUBSTATION GETS BUILT, AND SO WE'LL BE KIND OF IN NEGOTIATION TO SEE HOW WE GET THAT BUILT AND SHARE IN THE COST WITH SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ALSO BENEFITING.
AND ARE MOST OF THESE LINES GOING TO BE BURIED UNDERGROUND? YOU THINK ABOUT OLD SCHOOL SUBSTATIONS, RIGHT, AND NOBODY WANTS THEIR HOUSE UP NEXT TO OLD SCHOOL SUBSTATIONS.
SO WHAT KIND OF A -- I MEAN, HOW IS THIS GOING TO IMPACT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING RIGHT AROUND THAT SITE?
>> YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IT BUT THEY HAVE A CAN BE KIND OF A NEWER LOW PROFILE VERSION OF IT SO IT DOESN'T HAVE THE HEIGHT WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO BETTER SCREEN IT WITH LANDSCAPING AND TALLER TREES.
I'VE GOT A FEW EXAMPLES THAT I'M CERTAINLY -- WE'LL BE SHARING WITH YOU FOLKS AS WE GET CLOSER DOWN THE ROAD ON DESIGN.
AND WE'LL BE LOOKING AT KIND OF THE LOTS AROUND THAT SUBSTATION TO SEE IF THERE'S VALUE IN BUILDING THOSE OR IF WE BUFFER A LITTLE MORE, BUT WE'LL NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT AS WE NAIL DOWN THE ACTUAL FINAL LOCATION.
>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT BRING THAT UP BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE A CONCERN, NOT JUST PROBABLY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION BUT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO LIVE THERE IN THE FUTURE, AND I UNDERSTAND WE NEED IT, BUT LET'S BE CAREFUL HOW WE BUILD IT.
AND THANK YOU, SIR, FOR THE PRESENTATION.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING MORE ON THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, FOLKS.
>> I MIGHT SUGGEST BEFORE PROCEEDING TO ANY OTHER ITEMS JUST TO CHECK WITH MS. CAST IO TO SEE IF ANY PUBLIC COMMENT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED ON ITEM 4.2 THIS EVENING.
VANESSA, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS OR ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO
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COMMENT?>> THERE ARE NONE AND NOBODY ONLINE.
BEFORE WE MOVE TO ITEM 4.3, MAYBE WE CAN TAKE A QUICK FIVE-MINUTE BREAK AND COME BACK AT 7:15 TO GO OVER 4.3, THE DRAFT ARTICLE 4.
>> CHAIR, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
JUST VERY QUICKLY, I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THE ENVIRONMENTALLAL IMPACT REPORT IS PREPARED FOR THIS.
THE APPLICANT WILL ALSO BE DOING A SPECIFIC PLAN.
AND THAT SPECIFIC PLAN WILL HAVE TO BE COMPLIANT WITH OUR ADOPTED GENERAL PLAN 2040.
SO BECAUSE OF THE SIZE AND SCALE OF THIS, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, IT WILL BE A LITTLE WHILE BEFORE THIS COMES BACK TO YOU FORRAL CONSIDERATION.
A SURE THE APPLICANT AS THEY GO ALONG MAY WANT TO CHECK IN WITH YOU IF THEY HAVE CHANGES BUT YOU MAY NOT SEE THIS FORE A LITTLE WHILE.
BUT NEVERTHELESS, WE DO APPRECIATE THE CONFLICT BRINGING FORWARD, THIS IS A LARGE PROJECT FOR NORTH INDIO AND I KNOW THAT THEY'RE COMMITTED ALSO TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO KEEP THEIR NEIGHBORS AROUND THEM AWARE OF THIS PROJECT AS IT MOVES ALONG.
THEN WE WILL ADJOURN THIS STUDY SESSION ITEM AND MOVE ON TO 4.3 IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES, RECONVENE AT 7:15, PLEASE.
>> IF WE'RE ABLE TO CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER AND MOVE ON TO ITEM 4.3,
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DRAFT ARTICLE 4 OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.DO WE HAVE ALL COMMISSIONERS PRESENT? WE HAVE ONE, TWO.
[4.3. Draft Article 4 of Unified Development Code]
THANK YOU, CHAIR.SO THIS ITEM 4.3 WE'RE CONTINUING OUR DISCUSSIONS OF DRAFT ARTICLES OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THIS IS WHAT WE REFERRED TO FOR THE ZONING CODE UPDATE.
THIS EVENING WE'RE JOINED BY ROGER EASTMAN.
YOU LAST SAW ROGER WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE DRAFT SIGN CODE AND BEFORE I TURN ROGER LOOSE ON YOU TO GO OVER ARTICLE 4, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT IN THE CONVERSATION WITH THE SIGN CODE, YOU HAD GIVEN SOME INPUT TO ROGER ON POTENTIAL CHANGES TO OR DESIRE TO SEE SOME CHANGE TO THE TEMPORARY SIGN ELEMENTS OF THE DRAFT SIGN CODE, AND ROGER AND SETH HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER TO ADDRESS THOSE, SO THE NEXT TIME WE COME BACK AT YOU AND TALK ABOUT THE SIGN CODE, YOUR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS WILL BE INCORPORATED AS MUCH AS WE CAN INTO THAT.
BUT THIS EVENING AGAIN WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT ARTICLE 4.
ROGER EASTMAN WITH LISA WEISS CONSULTING IS TAKING THE LEAD ON THIS ARTICLE AND HE'S GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH A DISCUSSION ON THAT.
>> THANK YOU, KEVIN, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
ROGER EASTMAN WITH LISA WEISS CONSULTING.
ALEXANDER AND SIMRAN ARE NOT WITH US TONIGHT SO YOU'RE STUCK WITH ME I'M AFRAID.
JUST WANT TO CORNELL YOU CAN SEE MY SCREEN CORRECT -- >> WE CAN.
SO WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF INTRODUCTORY SLIDES, AS WE NORMALLY DO.
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT IS REALLY ARTICLE 4, THE SPECIFIC TO USES REGULATIONS AND SOME KEY CHANGES FROM YOUR CURRENT CODE.
I'M GOING TO QUICKLY GIVE YOU A REMINDER OF WHERE WE ARE IN THIS PROCESS, AND THEN THIS IS A WORK SESSION WITH YOU SO WE REALLY ENCOURAGE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM YOU ABOUT THE SPECIFIC USE SECTION.
AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE UPDATING THE ZONING CODE TO ESSENTIALLY BE CONSISTENT WITH YOUR 2040 GENERAL PLAN, AS REQUIRED BY LAW, AND THE GOAL OF THIS WHOLE PROJECT, AS YOU'VE HEARD MANY TIMES OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, IS TO MODERNIZE THE CODE, TO MAKE IT AS USABLE AS POSSIBLE, TO IMPROVE AND STREAMLINE PERMITTING AND PROCEDURES.
PUBLIC NOTIFICATION, OF COURSE, IS A NECESSARY PART OF ANY MAJOR CODE UPDATE LIKE THIS, AND AS SIMRAN HAS EXPLAINED IN THE PAST, WE'VE SENT PROJECT MAILERS TO ALL RESIDENTS ABOUT THE PROJECT.
A PROJECT WEBSITE HAS BEEN SET UP.
AND THEN THERE ARE ONLINE INTERACTIVE MAPS FOR BOTH THE DRAFT GENERAL PLAN AND THE ZONING MAP CHANGES SO MEMBERS PUB CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON BY CLICKING ON THAT LINKS.
SO FAR WE'VE HAD FOUR OUT OF SIX COMMISSION WORKSHOPS.
WE HAVE TWO MORE TO GO ON OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE ZONING CODE.
SO TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON ARTICLE 4 WHICH IS THE REGULATIONS FOR SPECIFIC USES.
SO LET'S JUST TAKE A MOMENT AND THINK ABOUT THE CURRENT CODE CHAPTER 159 IS YOUR ZONING REGULATIONS OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE, AND WITHIN IT THE STANDARDS FOR THE SPECIFIC USES LIKE TEMPORARY USES, HOME OCCUPATION WAS PARLORS AND SO ON ARE POORLY ORGANIZED ARE ORGANIZED.
THEIR WITHIN THIS LONG LIST OF DIFFERENT SECTIONS WITHIN THE CODE AND MAKES IT HARD
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TO USE.SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS ASSESSED THE ORGANIZATION WITH RAIMI + ASSOCIATES.
IDENTIFIED WHAT STANDARDS WERE OUTDATED.
IDENTIFIED WHAT STANDARDS NEEDED TO BE INCLUDED BASED ON RECENT CALIFORNIA GOVERNMENT CODE LAW AND IDENTIFIED THE NEED FOR A COMPREHENSIVE OVERALL UPDATE.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS ORGANIZE ALL THE SPECIFIC USES INTO ONE ARTICLE, ARTICLE 4.
AND SO THE PURPOSE OF THESE NEXT THREE THREE SLIDES IS TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF HOW THIS PARTICULAR ARTICLE IS ORGANIZED, AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER LISTED ALL OF THE SPECIFIC USES.
THESE ARE ALL TIED BACK TO THE USE TABLES, SO ANY LOOKING IN THE USE TABLE FOR
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THE RESIDENTIAL ZONES, COMMERCIAL ZONES, INDUSTRIAL ZONES, YOU'LL SEE A LINK IN[01:57:14]
THOSE USE TABLES THAT TAKES YOU TO ARTICLE 406, CANNABIS ACTIVITY IF THAT'S WHAT[01:57:16]
YOU'RE LOOKING FOR OR CONVENIENCE MARKET OR SO ON.[01:57:18]
AND WHAT WE'VE DONE THIS NIECE THREE SLIDES IS SHOW YOU IN RED WHAT IS NEW, AND[01:57:20]
THE EXISTING PROVISIONS THAT ARE BEING CARRIED FORWARD UPDATED AS NECESSARY.[01:57:22]
AND I DID A QUICK COUNT AS I WAS PREPARING FOR THIS MEETING THIS EVENING.[01:57:24]
YOU HAVE 14 NEW USES ADDED TO THE LIST OF SPECIFIC TO USES AND 12 HAVE BEEN CARRIED FORWARD AND UPDATED.SO NOW LET'S GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE A HIGH LEVEL.
WE WOULD BE HERE FOR HOURS IF WE WERE GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM IN A LOT OF DETAIL SO WE'RE GOING TO SPARE YOU THAT.
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IS CARRIED FORWARD FROM THE EXISTING CODE STARTING WITH THE ADULT-ORIENTED BUSINESSES.
SO WE'RE RETAINING CHAPTER 120 OF MUNICIPAL CODE WHICH IS THE PERMITTING PROCEDURES FOR ADULT BUSINESSES.
BUT WE HAVE ADDED UPDATED LOCATION STANDARDS, FOR EXAMPLE, AN ADULT BUSINESS CANNOT BE LOCATED MORE THAN 500 FEET -- LESS THAN 500 FEET FROM ANOTHER ADULT BUSINESS, AND THERE NEED TO BE MORE THAN 1,000 FEET FROM SCHOOLS, RELIGIOUS USES, PARKS, CHILD CARE FIDDLES FACILITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
ALSO THEY NEED TO BE OF 250 FEET OR MORE FROM THE ON-PREMISE SALE OF ALCOHOL OR FROM ANY ZONE EXCEPT THE IL AND IH ZONES SUSPECT AS YOU PROBABLY NO ADULT USES HAVE TO BE ALLOWED IN A COMMUNITY.
YOU CAN'T OUTRIGHT PROHIBIT THEM.
SO YOU HAVE TO ALLOW FOR THEM TO BE IN SOME LOCATION WITHIN THE CITY, AND THEY ARE ALLOWED AS A USE PERMIT IN IL AND IH.
MOVING ON TO ANIMAL KEEPING, THIS IS YOUR CHAPTER 159.607 AND .
608 WHICH HAVE BEEN EXTENSIVELY REVISED AND UPDATED NOW CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU SAW FROM THE SIGN CODE WE'VE INCLUDED SOME TABLE AND A NUMBER OF SUPPLEMENTARY STANDARDS, AND WE'VE ADDED STANDARD FOR BEEKEEPING.
SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF ONE THOSE TABLES THAT ORGANIZATIONS THE ANIMAL KEEPING BY TYPE, LARGE LIFE STOCK WITH SMALL LIVESTOCK.
AND THEN BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE LOT, TELLS YOU HOW MANY ANIMALS ARE ALLOWED.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS ANIMAL KEEPING, WHILE HIGHLY DESIRABLE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITIES, CAN HAVE SECONDARY EFFECTS, YOU KNOW, ALL ANIMALS PRODUCE WASTE.
YOU'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL OF RUNOFF FROM HORSE CORRAL OR LARGE LIFE LIVESTOCK CRASS.
THEN YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE CLEAR STANDARDS FOR FEEDING AND MAINTENANCE OF THE ANIMAL.
WE HAVE ALSO ADDED STANDARDS FOR BEEKEEPING IN ZONES YOU SEE ON THE SLIDE HERE.
AND BEEKEEPING IS SOMETHING THAT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE DESIRABLE IN MANY COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF, AS YOU PROBABLY ARE AWARE, THE DECLINE IN BEES ACROSS THE NATION.
MOVING ON TO AUTOMOTIVE SERVICE AND REPAIR AND REFUELING STATIONS, WE'VE REALLY CARRIED FORWARD MORPHS YOUR EXISTING STANDARDS, UPDATED THEM AS NECESSARY.
FOR EXAMPLE, ALL WORK NEEDS TO BE CONDUCTED INSIDE OF A BUILDING.
THERE ARE SEPARATION STANDARDS FROM RESIDENTIAL USES.
AND, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DOORS OF THE AUTOMATIC SERVICE AND REPAIR FACILITIES FOR NEW USES ANYWAY SHOULD BE FACED AWAY FROM THE STREET AND AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
CANNABIS ACTIVITY, A WE'RE DOING IS PROVIDING A CROSS-REFERENCE TO CHAPTER 123, CANNABIS ACTIVITY OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE.
AND THEN WE'VE EXPANDED AND UPDATED CONSISTENT WITH THE GOVERNMENT CODE THE CHILD DAYCARE IN A HOME, BOTH SMALL AND LARGE DAYCARE CENTERS.
AND AGAIN, THERE ARE OPERATIONAL STANDARDS AND STANDARDS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, SAY THESE NEED TO BE INCIDENTAL TO THE HOME.
THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT TO COMMUNITIES FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
BUT THE RESIDENTIAL NATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PREVAILS AND THE CHILD DAYCARE IS A SECONDARY USE WITHIN THE HOME.
THEY'RE UPDATED CONSISTENT WITH THE GOVERNMENT CODE.
HOME OCCUPATIONS, VERY MINIMAL REVISIONS REALLY IN THE HOME OCCUPATION SECTION.
VERY STANDARD ACROSS MOST CALIFORNIA CITIES.
AND, FOR EXAMPLE, NO EMPLOYEES, LIMITATIONS ON PARKING, LIMITATIONS ON VISITATION AND SO ON.
THE MANUFACTURED/MOBILE HOME PARK SECTION, THE BIGGEST CHANGE WITH THIS IS THAT UNDER YOUR CURRENT CODE A SPECIFIC IS ACTUALLY REQUIRED FOR THE APPROVE OF A MANUFACTURED/MOBILE HOME PARK IN AND IN CONSULTATION WITH STAFF WE'VE ADDRESSED THIS NOW AS PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL THROUGH DESIGN REVIEW FOR A NEW MANUFACTURED/MOBILE HOME PARK.
WE'VE UPDATED THE STANDARDS FOR SCREENING, RECREATIONAL AMENITIES AND SO ON.
AND THE OTHER IMPORTANT POINT ABOUT THE MANUFACTURED HOME IS THEY ARE NOW PROPOSED TO BE ALLOWED AS HOMES IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONES.
THIS AGAIN IS REALLY IMPORTANT AS A MECHANISM FOR PROMOTING AFFORDABILITY IN THE CITIES.
FOR RV PARKS, WE HAVE UPDATED THE EXISTING PROVISIONS WITH NEW STANDARDS.
SIMILARLY FOR THE TATTOO/BODY ART/BODY PIERCING ESTABLISHMENTS.
AND THEN THERE'S YOUR TYPICAL LOCATION STANDARDS.
500 FEET FROM OTHER TATTOO PARLORS AND THEN 1,000 FEET FROM SCHOOLS, PARKS, LIBRARIES, ET CETERA.
AND 1,000 FEET FROM ANOTHER TATTOO PARLOR.
THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS/WIRELESS FACILITIES SECTION, WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH CITY STAFF AND WE ROLLED FORWARD THE SMALL WIRELESS REGULATIONS FROM YOUR CURRENT CODE THAT KEVIN AND THE CITY ATTORNEY WORK ON FAIRLY RECENTLY AND THAT WERE ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL FAIRLY RECENTLY.
WE DID, THOUGH, UPDATE SOME SECTIONS OF THE WIRELESS AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITIES SECTION, ADDING, FOR EXAMPLE, ELIGIBLE FACILITIES REQUESTS CONSISTENT WITH RECENT LAW.
AND IF YOU'RE NO SURE WHAT AN ELIGIBLE FACILITY REQUEST IS, IT'S A MODIFICATION OF AN EXISTING TOWER OR BAY STATION THAT DOESN'T REALLY SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE THE
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PHYSICAL DIMENSIONS OF THAT TOWER OR BAY STATION.IT'S A REALLY MINOR CHANGE, BUT IT ALLOWS FOR THOSE CHANGES TO BE APPROVED AT A STAFF LEVEL, WHICH MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT HOW DEPENDENT WE ARE ON WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS THESE DAYS.
MOVING ON TO TEMPORARY USES, THE BIGGEST CHANGE WITH THE TEMPORARY USE SECTION IS WE'VE MADE A DISTINCTION BASED ON A PUT FROM STAFF ABOUT TEMPORARY USES THAT REQUIRE A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT, AS YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, AND THOSE THAT DO NOT REQUIRE A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT.
SO IF SOMEBODY'S ESTABLISHING A GARAGE STALE OR PROVIDING FOR INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT, NO CITY APPROVALS ARE REQUIRED.
THERE ARE BASIC RULES FOR WHAT NEEDS TO OCCUR AT THESE TYPES EVENTS BUT NO PERMIT IS REQUIRED.
YOU ONLY NEED TO GO THROUGH THE TUP PROCESS FOR OFF-SITE AUTO AND RV SALES, A SWAP MEET AND SO ON.
MOVING ON TO THE NEW SPECIFIC USES, WE'VE ADD BAIL BONDS AND CHECK CASHING BUSINESSES WITH SPECIFIC SEPARATION STANDARDS AND LIMITED HOUR STANDARDS AND OPERATIONAL STANDARDS.
THESE ARE THE SAME STANDARDS YOU'VE HEARD ME USE WITH SOME OF THE OTHERS, 1,000 FEET FROM ANOTHER BAIL BOND USE OR CHECK CASHING BUSINESS USE OR 500 FEET FROM SCHOOLS, PARKS, LIBRARIES, DAYCARE FACILITIES AND SO ON.
WHEN IT COMES TO CONVENIENCE MARKETS, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO DEFER BACK TO KEVIN, COMMUNITY DETECTIVE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, TO MAKE A COMMENT.
>> THE REASON WHY THIS IS BASED, COMMISSION, IS BECAUSE IN THE PAST THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL LEVEL ON WHETHER THERE WAS ANY INTEREST IN PLACING SOME SORT OF LIMITATION ON CONVENIENCE MARKETS, EITHER STAND-ALONE OR CONVENIENCE MARKETS WITH FUELING STATIONS.
AS THE COMMISSION IS WELL AWARE WE DYE NUMBER OF THESE IN OUR COMMUNITY EXISTING.
WE ALSO HAVE SEVERAL THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.
AND SO THIS IS A TOPICAL AREA WHERE EITHER THIS EVENING IF THERE'S INTEREST ON THE PART OF THE COMMISSIONERS PRESENT OR AT ANOTHER FUTURE DATE, WE WOULD LIKE THE INPUT OF THE COMMISSION.
THERE ARE WAYS TO ADDRESS THE LIMITATIONS.
YOU CAN LIMIT THE TOTAL NUMBER, FOR EXAMPLE.
YOU COULD PLACE GEOGRAPHIC SPACING STANDARDS AS AN EXAMPLE.
YOU CAN'T HAVE THEM WITHIN A MILE OF EACH OTHER.
BUT BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP IN THE PAST IN VARIOUS FORMS, WE THOUGHT IT APPROPRIATE TO NOT NECESSARILY PROPOSE ANYTHING AT THIS POINT IN TERMS OF REGULATIONS FOR SPECIFIC USES BUT JUST TO GET THE COMMISSION EAST FEEDBACK IF YOU'RE SO INCLINED, AND IT CAN EITHER BE DONE NOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE OR WE CAN WAIT UNTIL THE END OF ROGER'S PRESENTATION AND REVISIT IT.
>> COMMISSIONERS, ANY FEEDBACK AT THIS TIME OR DO YOU WANT TO SAVE THAT UNTIL THE END?
>> I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION.
I MEAN, TO DISCUSS IT, I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY CONVENIENCE STORES WE HAVE, WHERE THEY LOCATED, ARE THEY STAND-ALONE, ARE THEY PART OF A GAS STATION.
WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO VISUALIZE THAT, I'M GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME SAYING DO WE WANT TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OR THE DISTANCE.
I AGREE THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE QUITE A FEW, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.
IS THERE A WAY TO GET THAT INFORMATION FROM STAFF?
WE CAN PUT THAT INFORMATION -- THIS IS THE KIND OF FEEDBACK WE'RE LOOKING FOR, SO YOU DO NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO GET INTO THE DETAILS, BUT IF YOU NEED THAT INFORMATION TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, WE CAN CERTAINLY DOUGH THAT.
SO WHAT I HEARD IS HOW MANY ARE THERE, WHERE ARE THEY LOCATED, AND COMMISSIONER FRANZ, YOU SAID SOMETHING ELSE THAT I DIDN'T CATCH.
>> ARE THEY STAND-ALONE OR PART OF A GAS STATION.
>> AND ALSO WE'RE SHORT A COUPLE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS TONIGHT, SO PERHAPS THAT'S SOME INFORMATION THEY'D LIKE TO RECEIVE AS WELL, SO MAYBE WE WILL TABLE THAT FOR MAYBE DURING ANOTHER ONE OF THE STUDY SESSIONS.
>> YOU CAN CERTAINLY REVISIT IT, AND I WILL REACH OUT TO THE COMMISSIONERS THAT AREN'T PRESENT THIS EVENING TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS QUESTION IS OUT THERE SO THAT THEY CAN GIVE ANY FEEDBACK, INCLUDING INFORMATION REQUESTS LIKE COMMISSIONER FRANZ DID.
MOVING ON, THEN, WE'VE ADD COTTAGE FOOD OPERATIONS AND COTTAGE INDUSTRY CONSISTENT WITH THE GOVERNMENT CODE, SIMPLE OPERATIONAL STANDARDS AGAIN CONSISTENT WITH THAT CODE.
THE PRIMARY DISTINCTION BETWEEN COTTAGE FOOD IS BOTH THESE ARE SIMILAR TO A HOME OCCUPATION.
THERE'S NO DIRECT SALES FROM THE COTTAGE FOOD OPERATION IN THE HOME.
THE COTTAGE INDUSTRY, THOUGH, IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
THE RULES ARE ESTABLISHED TO CREATE NO IMPACT TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
EVEN THOUGH THEY CAN HAVE UP TO A MAXIMUM OF THREE EMPLOYEES.
WE'VE ALSO ADDED STANDARDS FOR DRIVE-THROUGH USES BASED ON SOME PREVIOUS WORK WE'VE DONE IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY.
THE GOAL HERE IS WE HAVE TO ALLOW FOR DRIVE-THROUGH USES.
BUT HOW CAN WE DO IT IN A WAY THAT MINIMIZES THE IMPACT OUR COMMUNITIES FROM LOTS OF IDLING CARS AND THE VISUAL IMPACT THAT COMES FROM PARKED CARS WAITING IN A DRIVE-THROUGH LANE.
SO SOME OF THE RULES INCLUDE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THE DRIVE-THROUGH ITSELF CAN'T BE ON A PRIMARY STREET FACING FRONTAGE.
THEY NEED TO BE SCREENED IN SOME WAY.
AND THAT THE STACKING AREA NEEDS TO ACCOMMODATE THE MINIMUM OF FIVE CARS SO YOU DO NOT HAVE BACKUP OF THE DRIVE-THROUGH INTO THE PARKING LANES OR PARKING AREAS.
WE'VE ADDED LIVE/WORK CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND CONSISTENT WITH NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES FOR LIVE/WORK.
SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A COMMERCIAL USE IN WHICH PEOPLE WOULD HAVE OR THE OWNERS WOULD HAVE A RESIDENCE, EITHER BEHIND THE WORKING FACILITY OR ABOVE IT, WHICH IS THE MORE TYPICAL MODEL.
AND THEN WE'VE ESTABLISHED SIMPLE STANDARDS FOR THE DESIGN, THE LAYOUT, THE AREA, AND THE ORGANIZATION OF IT, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES AND SO ON.
MASSAGES ESTABLISHMENTS, STAND ALONE FACILITIES HAVE BOTH GOT LOCATION AND CONFRONTATION STANDARDS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I'VE SHARED IN THE PAST.
AND THEN FOR MINNIE STONER WAREHOUSE OR FACILITY WE HAVE ADDED SOME OPERATIONAL STANDARDS, AND I THINK THIS IS ONE AREA I GOT AN EMAIL FROM RAIMI + ASSOCIATES SUGGESTING THERE IS A DESIRE FROM THE CITY TO CONSIDER ADDITIONAL STANDARDS FROM WHAT YOU SEE IN THE CODE.
FOR EXAMPLE, TO ADD NEW STANDARDS FOR FRONTING RETAIL USE.
I BELIEVE THE CONCERN IS THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF EMPLOYMENT GENERATED OUT OF THE MINI STORAGE WAREHOUSE FACILITY, SO THE IDEA WAS TO MAYBE ADD SOME FRONTING RETAIL USES.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR COMMENTS ON THAT AT THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.
>> BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, I'LL JUST ADD TO WHAT YOU SAID.
SO AS THE COMMISSION IS AWARE, MINI STORAGES FACILITIES WHERE PROVIDE A QUALITATIVE ASPECT TO OUR COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF PRESERVING YOU OF YA SITE STORAGES FOR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES.
TYPICALLY GENERATE LOW EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS, LIMITED PROPERTY TAX AND LIMITED SALES-FOOTER CITY, SO OI A TOPIC THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING BACK TO DISCUSS WITH YOU AT A LATER DATE IS WHETHER OR NOT THE COMMISSION ULTIMATELY WANTS TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THERE BE ANY COMPONENT OF A MINI STORAGE FACILITY AND/OR RV STORAGE FACILITY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF IS ON FRONTING OFFICE OR RETAIL COMMERCIAL COMPONENT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE IN FRONT OF THE PROPOSED STORAGE USE, THE STORAGE USE WOULD BE BEHIND THAT, AND THAT WOULD INTRODUCE KIND OF A MIXED USE ORIENTATION, IF YOU WILL, INTO THAT SETTING AND ALSO PROVIDE FOR PERHAPS MORE EMPLOYMENT AND/OR SALES TAX GENERATING AND PERHAPS SOME ENHANCED PROPERTY TAX.
SO THAT'S AN IDEA THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND WE'LL FLESH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT JUST WANTED TO KIND OF EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT ROGER SAID.
GETTING CLOSE TO TWRAPG WRAPPING THIS UP NOW FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE, VERY PRECISE RULES ON WHERE OUTDOOR STORAGE IS ALLOWED AND UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS AND WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE SCREENED.
SIMILARLY FOR PAWN SHOPS AND RESALE/CONSIGNMENT/THRIFT SHOPS.
TYPICAL LOCATION AND OPERATIONAL STANDARDS AS YOU'VE HEARD ME DISCUSS SO FAR.
THEN WRAPPING UP WITH SMOKE SHOPS, AGAIN, LOCATION AND OPERATIONAL STANDARDS FOR SMOKE SHOPS, VAPE SHOPS AS THEY'RE SOMETIMES CALLED.
ONE OF THE MORE INTERESTING STANDARDS THAT WAS ONE FOR TRAINING OF THE STAFF, PRIMARILY TO ENSURE THAT MINORS ARE NOT PURCHASING CIGARETTES OR TOBACCO PRODUCTS.
SO AT THIS TIME, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, I WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEN I'LL WRAP UP WITH A FEW SLIDES AFTER THAT.
HERE'S A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT MAY HELP YOU AS YOU THINK ABOUT THIS PRESENTATION AND THE MATERIALS YOU'VE REVIEWED.
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WITH KEVIN.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, COMMISSIONERS, I THINK ALL OF YOU PRESENT THIS EVENING HAVE PICKED UP YOUR WORKBOOKS FOR THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE WHICH SHOULD HAVE ARTICLE 4 WITHIN IT, SO HOPEFULLY YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT AHEAD OF TIME AND EITHER YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF YOUR OWN OR YOU CAN RESPOND TO THE QUESTIONS ON THE GENE.
THESE AREN'T THE ONLY QUESTIONS.
THESE ARE JUST PROMPTER QUESTIONS TO GET A DIALOGUE GOING.
>> KEVIN, STILL NEED TO COORDINATE PICKING THAT UP AT CITY HALL, BUT DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY DISCUSSION?
>> NO, I MEAN, THIS SECTION WASN'T AS, I DON'T THINK AS INTENSE.
I THINK THE ONLY THING I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS WERE ON PAGE 22 WHICH IS PART OF THE LIVE/WORK SECTION, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE IDEA OF LIVE/WORK IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOREVER, RIGHT? AND I THINK IT WOULD SOUND RIGHT INSTEAD OF THE CITY OF INDIO, DIFFERENTIATE THE CITY OF INDIO FROM OTHER CITIES.
I THINK IT'S INTERESTING IN SECTION 4.15.04 THAT ONCE WE GET PERMISSION FOR LIVE/WORK UNIT, THAT IT CANNOT BE CONVERTED TO ENTIRELY RESIDENTIAL USE UNLESS AUTHORIZED WITH ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT APPROVAL.
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SO IF I'M READING THAT RIGHT, THAT MEANS THAT IF -- I DON'T KNOW -- THEY COME BACK AND THEY SAY, WE WANT TO TURN IT ALL INTO CONDOS, RIGHT, INSTEAD OF RETAIL AND LIVING SPACE, THAT THEY WILL JUST NEED AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT AND IT WOULD NOT COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION.>> COMMISSIONER FRANZ, YES, AS WRITTEN WAS THAT IS WHAT IS INTEND.
DO YOU HAVE OTHER IDEAS ON WHAT YOU THINK THAT SHOULD BE?
>> YOU KNOW, WELL, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM KEVIN WHY HE THINKS THAT IT WOULD BE -- I MEAN, THAT IT SHOULD BE THAT EASY TO CONVERT OR CHANGE IT.
I MEAN, IF WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF SAYING THIS IS A LIVE/WORK SPACE, AND IT GOES THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION, IT GOES THROUGH EVERYTHING, IT GETS THE ZONING, AND, I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING KEVIN, YOU THE ABOUT WE GET A DIFFERENT PERSON THERE AND THEY SI THINK, OH, YEAH, SURE, NO PROBLEM, LET'S CHANGE TO IT ALL RESIDENTIAL WITHOUT REALLY TALKING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE CITY COUNCIL, TO ME THAT'S A LITTLE -- I'M NOT SURE WHY WE WOULD MAKE THAT IT EASY, DO WE WANT TO MAKE IT THAT EASY.
I DON'T PLAN TO GOING ANYWHERE UNLESS YOU KNOW SOMETHING I DON'T.
[LAUGHTER] >> NOBODY IS HERE FOREVER, RIGHT?
SO AS THE ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT PROCESS IS BEING WORKED ON, IT WOULD STILL BE NOTICED.
AN INDIVIDUAL WOULD STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
BUT AS YOU POINT OUT, COMMISSIONER, THIS WOULD BE DONE AT THE STAFF LEVEL TYPICALLY, AND THE THOUGHT IS ONCE A PARTY'S GONE THROUGH THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE A VEHICLE TO COME BACK TO THE CITY FOR CONSIDERATION.
YOU AS A COMMISSION DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH THIS, AND I SUSPECT THIS IS GOING TO BE A TOPIC WE GET INTO THE PERMITS AND PROCEDURES WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A ROBUST DIALOGUE ON WHAT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO RETAIN AND WHAT THE COMMISSION IS COMFORTABLE WITH PUSHING DOWN TO STAFF LEVEL, AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE YOU MAY OR MATE BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
SO IT DOESN'T -- AS PROPOSED, AS ROGER POINTED OUT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THIS WAY.
IF THE COMMISSION THINKS THERE'S VALUE IN HAVING THAT COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A CHANGE OR A REQUESTED CHANGE, THEN CERTAINLY YOU CAN RECOMMEND THAT TO COUNCIL.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO STREAMLINE OUR PROCESSES WHERE WE CAN TO PROVIDE A VEHICLE OF EFFICIENCY FOR THE PARTIES AS WELL AS STAFF, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A PROPOSAL, NOT WRITTEN IN STONE.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MARK THIS SECTION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS FEEL, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE -- WHEREVER WE ARE, GIVING SOME OF OUR AUTHORITY DOWN TO STAFF, I REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE WEENDS WHAT IT IS WE ARE DOING -- WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS WE ARE DOING BECAUSE LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE WORLD, ONCE WE GIVE IT UP, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO GET IT BACK, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING IT FOR THE RIGHT REASONS AND THE RIGHT PARTS OF OUR CITY WILL BENEFIT AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO END UP REGRETTING THIS FIVE, SIX, SEVEN YEARS, TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
>> COMMISSIONER FRANZ, IF I COULD JUST ADD TO THAT ONE THOUGHT, LIVE/WORK UNITS ARE GOING TO BE IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONES.
TYPICALLY THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON A STREET OR HIN A PARKING LOT IN AMONGST OTHER COMMERCIAL USES, SO CHANCES OF IT REALLY BEING TURNED INTO AN ENTIRELY RESIDENTIAL USE, I WOULD SUGGEST, IS PROBABLY FAIRLY LOW, BUT YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN.
DO YOU REALLY WANT TO DO THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY THROUGH STAFF OR HAVE THAT HIGH LEVEL OF REVIEW.
LOOK FORWARD TO FUTURE CONVERSATION ON THAT.
>> AND I JUST WOULD NOTE, COMMISSIONER FRANZ MADE A REALLY GOOD POINT HERE.
AND AS YOU GO THROUGH THESE EFFORTS WHERE YOU SEE THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPER LEVEL OF REVIEW, NOT JUST IN THIS PARTICULAR DISTANCE LIVE/WORK BUT WITH ANYTHING, PLEASE HIGHLIGHT THOSE FOR US SO WE CAN KEEP AN ONGOING LIST OF TOPICS TO RETURN TO.
THIS WILL BECOME REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN WE GET TO ARTICLE 6 WHICH IS PERMITS AND PROCEDURES, BUT VARIOUS OTHER ACTORS WHERE WE DO HAVE REFERENCE TO THE PROCESSES, IF YOU ARE WANTING TO TALK THOSE THROUGH, PLEASE HIGHLIGHT THOSE FOR SO WE MAKE SURE WE BRING THEM BACK TO YOU FOR A FUTURE CONVERSATION.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FRANZ, FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER ESPE?
>> I JUST HAD ONE MORE QUESTION.
I WAS TRYING TO FIND IT IN MY LITTLE BOOK, BUT I FOUND IT.
UNDER SECTION 4.16.03, WHICH IS THE MANUFACTURED HOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY ZONES.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT THIS SAYS.
I KNOW THE RULES FOR HOW YOU BUILD HOMES IN CALIFORNIA HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY.
SO IF THERE IS AN EMPTY LOT IN, LET'S PICK ON INDIAN PALMS COUNTRY CLUB, SO THEY HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT COUNTRY CLUBS AND DESIGNS AND BUILDS IN THERE, IF YOU HAVE AN AREA WHERE THERE IS AN EMPTY LOT SURROUND BY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, IS THE HOA STILL GOING TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT IT MUST BE A TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO BY LAW ALLOW FOR A MANUFACTURED HOME?
>> ROGER, DO YOU WANT TO TACKLE THAT.
>> KEVIN, WITH RESPECT I'VE MORE FAMILIAR WITH ARIZONA WHERE I'VE LIVED AND WORKED FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS.
I'M NOT SURE IF MY ANSWER TO BE TRUE IN CALIFORNIA, KEVIN.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WOULD DEFER TO YOU.
JUST FOR BACKGROUND, HERE IN ARIZONA, CITIES AND TOWNS DO NOT HAVE ANY INPUT IN HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, CC&RS, SO THE CITY RULES WOULD TRUMP WHATEVER THE CC&RS SAY.
I PRESUME THAT'S TRUE IN CALIFORNIA BUT I'M NO ENTIRELY SURE.
>> SO ZACH IS GOING TO LEAD US OFF WITH THE LEGAL.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU RIGHT, THE QUESTION IS WOULD HOAS STILL BE ABLE TO PROHIBIT THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
AND AS OPPOSED TO THE ZONING STANDARDS WHICH WOULD PERMIT MANUFACTURED HOMES IN A SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITY.
THE CITY ZONING STANDARDS ARE SEPARATE FROM WHAT PARTIES ARE ABLE TO REGULATE TO SOME EXTENT A PRIVATE CONTRACT THROUGH HOA.
I'M NOT AWARE AND CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO IF THERE ARE REGULATIONS ON WHAT HOAS CAN DO FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
I KNOW IN RECENT YEARS STATE LAW HAVE CHANGED WITH REGARD TO WHAT HOAS CAN DO TO ADUS SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO BUT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD I'M NOT AWARE THERE IS A RESTRICTION ON HOAS FROM PROHIBITING THIS TYPE OF HOUSING PRODUCT IN A COMMUNITY WHERE THE HOA IS APPLIES.
>> JUST TO ADD, I AGREE WITH ZACH.
I THINK THE HOAS CAN STILL IMPOSE THEIR PARTICULAR STANDARDS.
WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS THOSE AREAS OF OUR CITY THAT DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN HOA PERHAPS, FOR EXAMPLE, AREAS BEFORE US THAT ARE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AND THERE'S VACANT LOTS WITHIN THEM, AND THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR THE UTILIZATION OF A MUSCULAR DYSTROPHY HOME.
THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S ADOPTIVE HOUSING ELEMENT WHICH DOES PROMOTE HOUSING PRODUCT DIVERSITY SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING, NOT JUST WOOD-BUILT BUT AS AN EXAMPLE A MANUFACTURED HOME.
SO I THINK ZACH IS GOING TO DO SOME RESEARCH, IT LOUKS SOUNDS LIKE TO CONFIRM THAT BUT HOPEFULLY WE'RE ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER.
>> ZACH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ANSWER MY REAL QUESTION.
IF THIS IS THE CITY STANDARD, CAN AN HOA HAVE A STANDARD AND HAVE IT SUPERSEDE THE CITY? SO IF THE HOA SAYS, NOPE, NO MANUFACTURED HOME IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S A VACANT LOT AND AN UNGATED NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY CAN BUILD WHATEVER PRETTY MUCH THEY WANT WITHIN THE RULES OF THE QUALITY OF THE BUILD, RIGHT? BUT CAN AN HOA SET THOSE REGULATIONS?
>> YEAH, THE HOA WOULD BE ABLE TO REGULATE.
YOU'D HAVE TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT COMPLIES WITH WHATEVER THE HOA'S REGULATIONS, COVENANTS ARE TO BE ACCEPTED BY THAT HOA.
I KNOW SOME HOAS HAVE THEIR OWN DESIGN REVIEW PROCESSES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT COULD FORESEEABLY TRIGGER SOME OF THOSE ISSUES WITHIN THEIR HOA AND THEN THE HOA WOULD -- THAT WOULD BE A MATTER FOR THEM TO DEAL WITH.
>> A CIVIL MATTER AT THAT POINT.
>> SO THE HOA WOULD NOT BE -- THEIR HANDS NOT BE TIED BY THE CITY'S POLICY.
>> COMMISSIONER, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE AND ZACH REFERENCED IT EARLIER, BUT THE CITY DOES NO GET INVOLVED IN IMPLEMENTATION OF HOA RULES, PARTICULARLY THEY'RE NORMALLY IN THE COVENANT, CODES AND RESTRICTIONS THAT HOAS ADOPT, SO THE CITY, WHETHER IT'S THE CITY ZONING ALLOWS IT OPERATOR, AT THE END OF THE DAY IF THE HOA HAS LIMITATIONS ON TYPE TYPE OF HOUSING, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT IS FOR THE HOA TO IMPLEMENT, SO AS ZACH SAID IF THE HOA DID NOT ALLOW FOR MANUFACTURED HOMES, THEN THAT WOULD BE THEIR REQUIREMENT.
THIS LANGUAGE WOULD BE POLITICAL IN THE CITY AND OTHER INSTANCES.
I THINK ZACH IS GOING TO JUMP IN ON ME.
THE HOA CAN BE IN SOME SITUATIONS MORE STRICT BUT THEY CAN'T BE, FOR EXAMPLE, MORE PER MISS SILVER THAN WHAT THE CITY ZONING CODE WOULD ALLOW.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE HOA CAN'T ALLOW SOME TYPE OF HOUSING PRODUCT THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE PROHIBITED BY THE CITY'S ZONING CODE, BUT THE OPPOSITE IS NOT TRUE.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
>> JUST FOR THE RECORD, ZACH DID MENTION ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
THERE'S BEEN CHANGES IN STATE LEGISLATURE, HOWEVER, WHERE HOAS CANNOT PROHIBIT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, AND THAT'S SOMETHING, JUST TO BE MINDFUL OF.
IT DOESN'T APPLY IN THIS INSTANCE BUT THAT'S JUST FOR THE RECORD SINCE THAT WAS REFERENCED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS?
>> A QUICK QUESTION ON -- SO IS THERE GOING TO BE A SPECIFIC ZONING THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR A MANUFACTURED/MOBILE HOME PARK OR IS IT GOING TO BE ALLOWED FOR ANYTHING ZONED RESIDENTIAL?
>> WE WILLAL HAVE A SPECIFICS ZONE.
THAT WAS REVIEWED UNDER ARTICLE 2.
BUT THIS IS, THAT WOULD BE A MOBILE HOME PARK TYPICALLY.
ZONING DESIGNATION WOULD APPLY TO.
THIS, INDIVIDUAL LOTS, COMMISSIONER.
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THIS IS AN EXAMPLE, SOME OF THE AREAS TO THE WEST OF US THAT ARE NOT WITHIN GATED COMMUNITIES ARE YOUR MORE TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY NON-GATED COMMUNITIES.A VACANT LOT, POTENTIALLY THIS LANGUAGE COULD APPLY HAD TO THAT VACANT LOT IF IT WAS ADOPTED.
>> AS LONG AS IT'S A 10-ACRE MINIMUM, THEN IT WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A MOBILE HOME PARK IF IT'S ZONED APPROPRIATELY.
>> IS ROGER, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANTED TO GO BACK TO, YOU SAID?
>> I WILL JUST QUICKLY WRAP UP, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AFTER TONIGHT'S MEETING, RAIMI + ASSOCIATES WILL BE BACK TO TALK WITH THE ZONE AND.
ARTICLE 3 ON APRIL 27TH, AND AS KEVIN WAS TALKING ABOUT PERMITS AND PROCEDURES ARTICLE 6 WILL BE COMING UP IN MAY, MAY 25TH.
AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE HERE, CITY COUNCIL PLANNING COMMISSION HEARINGS ARE IN MAY AND JULY HOPEFULLY WITH THE FINAL ADOPT CODE IN JULY AND AUGUST.
>> CHAIR, I HAVE MORE INFORMATION IF I CAN.
ON APRIL 27TH YOU WILL ACTUALLY BE TALKING ABOUT CANNABIS BECAUSE WE ARE BRINGING FORWARD -- AS THE COMMISSION MAY BE AWARE, THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN TALK ABOUT THE POTENTIAL ALLOWANCE OF CANNABIS IN CITY, AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAVE PROGRESSED WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL AT THE STAFF LEVEL TO DEVELOP A NUMBER OF REGULATORY APPROACHES.
ONE IS CHAPTER 123 THAT WAS REFERENCED EARLIER, AND THAT WOULD BE OPERATIONAL STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES FOR CANNABIS ACTIVITY.
HOWEVER, THERE IS A ZONING CODE COMPONENT TO THIS IN TERMS OF WHERE THOSE CANNABIS USES MIGHT BE ALLOWED, AND SO WE WILL BE ASKING THE COMMISSION TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'S A VERY SMALL CHANGE TO THE ZONING CODE IN THE GRAND SCHEME THINGS BUT WE WILL BE ASKING TO YOU CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON APRIL 27TH.
THE COUNCIL HAS ASKED THAT THIS BE BROUGHT FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
AND SO ON APRIL 27TH WE'VE ALREADY NOTICED FOR IT AND WE'LL BE BRINGING TO YOU A PROPOSED MODIFICATION TO THE ZONING CODE THAT WILL CONSIDER THE ALLOWANCE OF CANNABIS ACTIVITY.
CANNABIS RETAIL AND RETAIL STOREFRONT AND NON-REALLY RETAIL STOREFRONT ACTIVITY AND WE'LL GET INTO AT A FUTURE DATE SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.
RIGHT NOW THIS SECTION IS MIMICKING THE CURRENT CODE WHICH IS A PROHIBITION BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE ENGAGING IN A TOPICAL CONVERSATION IN TERMS OF YOU MAKING A POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL ON THIS.
>> CHAIR, IF I MIGHT SUGGEST JUST CHECKING WITH MS. CASTILLO TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO HAS REQUESTED TO PUB MITT PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 4.3 BEFORE WRAPPING THE ITEM UP OR HAVING ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM.
VANESSA, ANYONE ONLINE OR ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT?
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN THAT PROJECT CONSULTATION, THE STUDY SESSION ITEM.
IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS IN GENERAL, WE CAN ADJOURN.
COMMISSIONER -- >> I HAVE SOME.
>> SO THIS IS BASICALLY FOR STAFF.
SO THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD ON THE ZONING AND THE BUILDING CODE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT CREATING VERY SPECIFIC RULES, AND AS LONG AS THE RULES ARE FOLLOWED, THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION, AT LEAST THEY'RE TRYING TO SIMPLIFY AND STREAMLINE EVERYTHING.
I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OTHER PLANNERS IN OTHER CITIES AND HOW ARE THEY DOING IT, AND THEY ALL SEEM TO BE MAINTAINING DESIGN REVIEW WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO HAVE AN ANSWER FOR ME NOW BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH STAFF, EITHER AT A STUDY SESSION OR ONE-ON-ONE OR WHATEVER WE END UP DOING, ABOUT HOW WE CAN IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE STREAMLINING FEATURES BUT STILL MAINTAIN THE DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS SO THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN REALLY BE AWARE OF WHAT IS BEING BUILT WITHIN OUR CITY, WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, WHERE IT'S GOING TO SIT, NOT JUST THAT IT MEETS THE MINIMUM STANDARDS.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AND LET YOU KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN REACHING OUT TO DIFFERENT FOLKS, TRYING TO GET IDEAS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO I JUST WANTED THROAT YOU KNOW THAT I AM GOING TO BE REQUESTING THAT.
>> COMMISSIONER, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND IT'S CERTAINLY A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE GET TO ARTICLE 6 WHICH IS THE PERMITS AND PROCEDURES.
I'LL PUT A QUESTION IN YOUR HEAD, NOT FOR TOPICAL CONVERSATION BECAUSE THIS WASN'T AGENDIZED BUT WHAT IS THE PROPERTY PROCESS BEHIND WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE STRAIGHT EVERYTHING GOING TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR DESIGN REVIEW OR A BIFURCATION BETWEEN ADMINISTRATIVE OR STAFF LEVEL AND PLANNING COMMISSION IS WHETHER A BUILDING THAT IS 5,000 SQUARE FEET, AND YOU'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF THOSE IN PAST, SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME IN TERMS OF PROCESSING AS A 50,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WHICH IMPACTFUL.
SO AS WE GO INTO THAT CONVERSATION TO PUT IN YOUR RESPECTIVE HEADS, WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT THIS FROM A REASONABLENESS STANDPOINT AT LEAST AT THE STAFF LEVEL, IT'S REASONABLE TO EXPECT THE PERSON WHO IS DOING A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING TO GO THROUGH THE SAME EXTENSIVE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AS A PERSON DOING A 50,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
AND SO THERE'S A COST TO THAT.
YOU WILL BE ADOPTING MORE AS YOU POINT OUT, COMMISSIONER FRANZ, MORE DETAILED DESIGN STANDARDS THAN YOU CURRENTLY HAVE AVAILABLE TO YOU THAT MAY OFFSET SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE COMMISSION HAS ABOUT DESIGN.
BUT THAT'S A GOOD TOPIC TO HIGHLIGHT TONIGHT, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY GET INTO AT THE PERMITS AND PROCEDURES STAGE OR IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO GET INTO IT SOONER THAN THAT, WE CERTAINLY CAN, AT LEAST AT A PHILOSOPHICAL LEVEL BUT WE TO HAVE TO AGENDIZE THAT.
>> WHATEVER THE CHAIR OR THE COMMISSION WANTS TO DO, I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE ALL COMING FROM BEFORE WE START TO PUT ALL THESE RULES AND REGULATIONS INTO PLACE.
SO IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO KIND OF HASH IT OUT BEFORE YOU COMPLETE SECTION 6 OR ARTICLE 6.
>> SO JUST PROCEDURALLY, CHAIR, IF YOU HAVE THREE MEMBERS PRESENT, YOU CAN'T VOTE OBVIOUSLY BUT IF THERE'S CONE CENSUS THAT THE THREE MEMBERS PRESENT WANTED TO HAVE THIS AS A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, WE CAN PUT ON IT A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION ON A NEAR-TERM AGENDA AND IT WOULDN'T BE UNDER THE -- WELL, IT WOULD BE KIND OF ELEMENT OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE CONVERSATION BUT IT WOULD BE MORE KIND OF A, I THINK AN OVERVIEW, MAYBE MORE OF A PHILOSOPHICAL CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THE COMMISSION'S THOUGHTS ARE.
THE EXAMPLE I JUST GAVE, WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK THAT THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO LOOK AT THINGS OR NOT.
SO WE WOULD NEED TO AGENDIZE IT AND WE COULD AND WE COULD EITHER DO THAT SOON.
YOU WILL -- WE WILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A LULL BEFORE WE GET TO ARTICLE 6 AFTER THE NEXT MEETING, SO WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT IN MAY AT YOUR MAY MEETING BECAUSE THE CONSULTANT TEAM IS GOING TO NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO PUT TOGETHER ARTICLE 6 WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT AND THAT WOULD BE TIMELY BECAUSE BEFORE ARTICLE 6 COMES TO YOU FOR YOUR REVIEW, YOU WOULD HAVE GIVEN INPUT AND THOUGHTS THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED INTO WHAT THEY PRESENT TO YOU.
I NOTICED THERE WAS THAT LITTLE GAP BETWEEN ARTICLE 3 AND ARTICLE 6, SO MAYBE IF WE CAN -- ARTICLE 6 SO MAYBE IF WE CAN PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION BEFORE WE REVIEW ARTICLE 6, I THINK I AGREE THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
SO THE DIRECTION I RECEIVED, CHAIR, IS WE WILL AGENDAIZE THIS AT THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY, IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
>> AND THEN AT THAT TIME WHAT WE WILL DO IS PROBABLY, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, I KEEP SAYING PHILOSOPHICAL CONVERSATION, BUT IT'S REALLY IN TERMS OF COMMISSION'S PERSPECTIVE ON THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF A REVIEW FOR DIFFERENT EITHER TYPES OR SIZES OF PROJECTS AND WHETHER THE COMMISSION WANTS TO RETAIN OR PROPOSE TO COUNCIL TO RETAIN AUTHORITY TO REVIEW ALL LEVELS OF PROJECTS OR WHETHER THE COMMISSION WANTS TO ZEE CREED SOME OF THAT AUTHORITY TO THE STAFF, AND I GUESS I THINK THAT WILL BE FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD THE CONVERSATION WE WILL HAVE.
>> DOES THAT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT THE THREE MEMBERS ARE EXPECTING?
THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR YOUR PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT.
WE WILL ADJOURN THIS PLANNING MEETING TO NEXT PLANNING MEETING SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 27, 2022.
>> THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.