Jun 16, 2020 Public Arts Commission

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WE WILL NOW OPEN THE MEETING JUNE 16TH, 2020 FOR PUBLIC ARTS COMMISSION AT 5:30.

[1 CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL:]

CHAIRPERSON VENESSA BECERRA.

PRESENT. VICE CHAIRPERSON THOMAS BUCK.

PRESENT. COMMISSIONER BILL SCHINSKY.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER E.J. NEUMEYER.

HERE. AND COMMISSIONER CECELIA CRUZ IS ABSENT.

DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO PUBLIC COMMENT RECEIVED TODAY.

OK, SO MOVING ONTO ITEM 4.1 MINUTES OF MAY 12TH 2020.

[4 MINUTES:]

[4.1 Minutes of May 12, 2020 – Recommendation: Approve]

CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

I'LL SECOND. I'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.

FOR THE MINUTES OF MAY 12TH, CHAIRPERSON VENESSA BECERRA.

YES. VICE CHAIRPERSON THOMAS BUCK.

YES. COMMISSIONER BILL SCHINSKY.

YES. AND COMMISSIONER E.J.

NEUMEYER. YES.

MOTION CARRIES FOUR ZERO.

THERE IS NO ACTION ITEMS, SO ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM 6.1 SARBALÉ KE UPDATE.

[6 ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS:]

[6.1 Sarbalé Ke Update]

SO SHE JUST SENT ME A TEXT MESSAGE.

OKAY. SO, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, COACHELLA WAS CANCELED, IT WAS POSTPONED FROM APRIL AND THEN IT WAS SUBSEQUENTLY CANCELED LIKE ABOUT SIX DAYS AGO.

WE HAVE BEEN IN RIGOROUS PLANNING FOR THE INSTALLATION THAT WAS SCHEDULED TO BEGIN ON JULY AFTER INDEPENDENCE DAY.

I RECEIVED A CALL FROM PAUL A FEW DAYS BEFORE THE ANNOUNCEMENT, AND HE WAS BASICALLY NOT SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE ABLE TO HAPPEN.

HE WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY CONFIDENT, BUT I WANTED TO WAIT TO KNOW FOR SURE BECAUSE IT'S MY ASSUMPTION THAT BECAUSE THEIR CREW AND EQUIPMENT ARE HEAVILY TIED TO THE FESTIVAL.

WITH THAT NOT TAKING PLACE IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO MOVE FORWARD.

ONE OF THE THINGS HE SAID WAS JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, ALL DUE TO COVID 19.

LOTS OF THEIR PROJECTS WERE SHUT DOWN.

SO THEY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE THE CREW AND WHATNOT.

SO AS A RESULT, OUR PROJECT WAS POSTPONED UNTIL THE FALL, WHICH MAKES SENSE. IT'S DISAPPOINTING, BUT IT MAKES SENSE.

SO WHAT I PLAN TO DO IS JUST CONTINUE WORKING WITH THE HIM ON DESIGN AND CHRISTOPHER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLANS FOR THE GROUNDS AFTER WORK IS INSTALLED, THAT IT'S ALL READY TO GO.

SO THAT WHEN WE HIT THE GROUND RUNNING, WE'LL HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE DESIGN OF THE SPACE IS STILL EVOLVING.

AND YOU KNOW, THE LIGHTS AND ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT.

BUT NOW WE CAN JUST WORK ON IT, GET IT SORTED AND BE READY FOR WHEN THE INSTALLATION HAPPENS. IF IT HAPPENS.

THAT'S THE UPDATE ON THAT. I WAS THINKING THAT NOW THAT THE CITY'S OPENING BACK UP LOTS OF PLACES ARE DOING IT WITH PRECAUTIONS, OF COURSE.

AND WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY UNNECESSARY GATHERINGS OF LARGE AMOUNTS OF PEOPLE.

BUT SEEING THAT OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PIECE HAD KIND OF BEEN REMOVED DUE TO LIMITATIONS ON CONGREGATION, WE MAY BE ABLE TO RE IMAGINE HOW THAT CAN HAPPEN.

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SO THAT'S ABOUT IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF KEVIN, HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? NO. ANY DOES ANYONE HAVE. WHO IS THE TEACHING ARTIST? SO I'VE BEEN WORKING.

SHE'S A POET. HER NAME IS.

I DON'T KNOW HER LAST NAME, ACTUALLY.

HER NAME IS NICOLE. SHE'S ON MY PHONE.

I CAN FIND IT. I'VE JUST BEEN TALKING WITH HER ABOUT AND SORT OF DESIGNING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO WORK ON POETRY ABOUT HOME AND ALL OF THE THEMES AROUND THAT.

GIVEN THAT THE NAME OF THE PIECE IS CALLED HOUSE OF CELEBRATION, AND IT'S GOING TO BE PLACED IN A COMMUNITY THAT'S HAD A VERY LONG AND COMPLICATED PAST TALKING ABOUT THAT, EXPLORING THOSE THEMES.

AND WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT DOING WAS COMBINING THAT WITH THE INSTALLATION, PHOTOS AND PHOTOS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I WAS TALKING WITH ALSO [INAUDIBLE] WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS SO NOTHING'S SET IN STONE. OBVIOUSLY, I'LL HAVE TO BRING THAT TO YOU ONCE WE ARE IN THAT PLACE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A REALLY BIG DEAL FOR THAT COMMUNITY AND IT'S A REALLY BIG DEAL TO [INAUDIBLE]. AND SO WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT WAYS TO GET THE COMMUNITY ENGAGED.

NORMALLY, OF COURSE, WITH PUBLIC ART, YOU'D WANT TO GET THEM ENGAGED IN THE BEGINNING.

BUT SEEING THAT THIS IS A PREFABRICATED PIECE AND THERE ISN'T REALLY MUCH ENGAGEMENT ABOUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

WE WANT THE COMMUNITY TO STILL FEEL OWNERSHIP OVER THE PROJECT AND THE PLACE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE IN AND SORT OF CREATING THAT SORT OF ANTHOLOGY WITH THE IMAGES THAT WE COLLECT AT THE TIME.

ANY HISTORIC IMAGES PEOPLE WANT TO INCLUDE.

AND PUTTING THAT TOGETHER AS A PIECE OF LITERARY ART WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT WOULD GO ALONGSIDE INSTALLATION.

THAT WAS THE IDEA.

I COULD SHARE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT WITH YOU GUYS NEXT TIME IF YOU WANT A MORE FULL PROPOSAL. OKAY.

THANKS DEBRA.

JUST GIVE ME A SECOND.

YES. OK. ARE WE GOING TO COME BACK. ALL RIGHT.

[6.2 Mural Maintenance Update]

I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.

MURAL MAINTENANCE UPDATE. I JUST HAD TO FORWARD THAT ON, SO SORRY.

SO I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WORKING ON THESE MURALS AND PART OF THE ISSUE WAS THAT SOME OF THEM ARE I THINK WHAT I'VE LABELED THEM IN THAT DOCUMENT IS AS VINTAGE MURALS, BECAUSE I SAW THAT'S HOW SOME OTHER CITIES KIND OF CATEGORIZE MURALS THAT HAVE SIT IN AGE.

AND I WANTED TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION JUST TO MAKE THE AWARENESS OF THE FACT THAT THOSE MURALS WERE NOT COMMISSIONED BY US.

THEY'RE IN SOME FORM WE ARE ADOPTING THEM.

AND SO WE HAVE OUR MURALS THAT WE HAVE COMMISSIONED.

AND THEN THERE ARE THE MURALS THAT ARE THERE THAT SOMEHOW HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.

AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GETTING THEM FIXED.

AND IT HAS BEEN A PRIORITY.

SOME OF IT, AS YOU KNOW, IS NOT ON OUR BUILDINGS.

AND SO PART OF THE ISSUE WAS ABOUT GETTING PERMISSION TO ENTER THE PROPERTY TO DO THE ASSESSMENT. AND SO ROXANNE HAS BEEN WORKING ON A DOCUMENT JUST ABOUT THE DIFFERENT STEPS.

AND SO SOME PEOPLE MAY ALLOW US TO ENTER THE PROPERTY TO ASSESS IT, BUT THEY MAY NOT ALLOW US TO DO MAINTENANCE WORK.

WE'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK WITH THEM.

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SO IF WE DO ALL THE ASSESSMENT, WE SAY, OKAY THIS MURAL NEEDS TO BE REMOVED.

AND THEY'RE LIKE, NO, I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.

THEN THEY CAN SIGN OFF ON THIS, WHICH I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE.

I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE ABOUT ANYTHING.

BUT THAT'S JUST THAT'S HOW THAT FORM IS GOING TO WORK FOR ANY OF THE BUILDING OWNERS THAT HAVE MURALS ON THEIR PROPERTY.

THE OTHER PART OF IT IS A CALL FOR A CONSERVATOR.

SO I'VE BEEN SPEAKING WITH MY NETWORKS AND AS SORT OF TRYING TO SOURCE SOMEONE AND ALL OF THEM REALLY DID A CALL FOR CONSERVATORS.

AND A LOT OF THEM HAVE MUCH BIGGER COLLECTIONS THAN WE DO.

AND THEY LOOKED FOR CONSERVATORS, THAT WOULD LOOK AT THE WHOLE COLLECTION.

AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT US DOING THAT SAME THING.

BUT I THINK MOST OF OUR SCULPTURE, THEY'RE NOT AT A PLACE WHERE THEY NEED CONSERVATION.

THEY JUST NEED MAINTENANCE.

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE PRICES THAT I WAS HEARING FROM SOME OF THESE OTHER PEOPLE JUST EVEN HAVE A PIECE LOOKED AT I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS WORTH IT IF WE KNEW THAT THE PIECE WAS IN DECENT CONDITION.

SO THE CALL FOR CONSERVATOR THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU IS BASICALLY FOR SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO CONSERVE MURALS AND WHO CAN GIVE US A PROPER EVALUATION ON THAT.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PLACES THAT I'VE FOUND AND THEY'RE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

AND MY LOOK ON THAT WORKS TELL ME THAT THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE LOCALLY THAT WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT KIND OF SUPPORT.

AND SO IF WE CAN JUST PUT THAT CALL OUT FOR CONSERVATORS, WE CAN HAVE SOMEONE WELL, WHEN I SAY LOCAL, I MEAN WITHIN THE STATE, EVEN IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

SOMEONE WHO CAN JUST COME OUT, HAVE A LOOK AT THEM.

AND ONE OF [INAUDIBLE] THE CITY OF L.A., THEY WERE SAYING THAT THEY DON'T NORMALLY ENGAGE IN CONSERVATOR THEMSELVES FIXING THE MURAL UNLESS THAT WAS THE LAST RESORT.

AND THEY USUALLY TRIED TO WORK WITH THE ARTISTS IF THE ARTIST IS AVAILABLE TO DO THE WORK OF FIXING IT. BUT I THINK FOR US, IT'S MORE THAN JUST A MATTER OF A MURAL FADING AND JUST NEEDING A TOUCH UP. SOME OF THEM ARE IN REALLY BAD STATES, AND PERHAPS SOMEONE WHO DOES CONSERVATION PROFESSIONALLY WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS AND HOW WE CAN DO THE CONSERVATION WORK AND HAVE IT LAST A BIT LONGER.

SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I JUST HAVEN'T CALLED UP THE ARTIST AND SAY, HEY, CAN YOU COME AND FIX THIS? BECAUSE WE'VE DONE WE'VE BEEN THERE.

WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE.

SO IF WE CAN TRY TO FIND A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION FOR A MORE PERMANENT WELL, IT'S NOT PERMANENT. IT'S A MURAL. RIGHT. BUT A MORE LONG TERM SOLUTION.

I THINK THAT WILL JUST BE BETTER.

SO I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THEM ARE LOOKING REALLY BAD RIGHT NOW AND THE IMPULSE IS TO JUST TRY TO FIX IT. BUT FOR ME, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME PROFESSIONAL GUIDANCE ON HOW TO DO IT, IF TO DO IT, HOW MUCH IS REALLY GOING TO COST IF WE REALLY WANT TO FIX IT PROPERLY . AND TO GET THAT WORK DONE, GET AN ASSESSMENT DONE, AND THEN HAVE THE ARTISTS SOMETIMES WORK WITH THE CONSERVATORS, WITH THE MATERIALS OR TECHNIQUES THAT THEY RECOMMEND SO THAT THE ARTISTS WOULD BE DOING THE RESTORATION UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF THE CONSERVATOR.

THAT KEEPS TRIPPING ME UP.

SO THAT I THINK IT'S A GOOD PATH AND DEPENDING I MEAN, I THINK WILL ALSO DEPEND ON THE CONSERVATOR AND HOW THEY LIKE TO WORK.

BUT I THINK BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH WHOEVER SENDS IN THEIR QUALIFICATIONS TO BE CONSIDERED.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD TALK ABOUT WITH THEM.

SO IN THE MEANTIME NOTHING IS GOING TO BE DONE.

WELL, WE ARE DOING SOMETHING. I MEAN AS FAR AS WELL, LET ME JUMP IN ON THIS. THAT'S WEIRD I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING ON.

YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN.

I THINK THERE'S THE FRUSTRATION THAT'S SHARED BY OTHERS AT THE CITY AS WELL.

THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO EFFECT ANY CHANGE ON A PRIVATE PROPERTY, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY.

SO WE'RE WAITING FOR THIS CITY ATTORNEY.

DEBRA'S BEEN WORKING WITH ROXANNE.

WE FINALLY GOT THAT DOCUMENT.

SO THAT [INAUDIBLE] US THE CHANCE NOW TO START REACHING OUT TO FOLKS AND TO SEE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH US.

IF THEY DON'T WANT TO WORK WITH US THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO, OBVIOUSLY.

AND AT THAT POINT, THEN I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE JUST NEED TO LET YOU THE REST OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS COUNCIL KNOW THAT WHOEVER DECLINED THE PARTICIPATION OPPORTUNITY,

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AND THEN WE ALSO NEED THEIR PERMISSION TO ENTER, EVEN THOUGH IT'S LITERALLY GOING FROM THE SIDEWALK TO TOUCHING THEIR BUILDING.

IN SOME INSTANCES WE NEED THAT PERMISSION.

SO THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT DEBRA'S BEEN WORKING A LONG TIME ON WITH ROXANNE.

WE FINALLY GOT THAT. SO IT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER DELAY, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT NOT AS LONG AS WE HAVE BEEN WAITING.

SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE'LL GET GOOD POSITIVE RESPONSE AND HOPEFULLY IN THE NEAR TERM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO SOME THINGS.

THE CONSERVATOR THAT DEBRA MENTIONED IS NEEDED TO HELP US ASSESS THEM.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET A GOOD RESPONSE ON THAT AS WELL.

BUT I THINK THE BIG FIRST STEP IS, DO WE HAVE WILLING PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH US SO THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY SPEND MONEY ON THEIR PROPERTY? IT'S A COLLABORATIVE THING THAT'S UNDERSTOOD.

THERE IS A CONSERVATION GROUP IN LOS ANGELES WHO DOES MAINTENANCE AND CONSERVATION REGISTRATION WITH THE [INAUDIBLE] SPRINGS MUSEUM.

AND THEY ALSO TAKE CARE OF UCLA'S SCULPTURE GARDEN.

IN FACT, I SPOKE TO THEM LAST YEAR WHEN I WAS UP THERE AND GOT THEIR CARD AND I GAVE IT TO LES JOHNSON I DON'T KNOW, IT MAY HAVE DISAPPEARED ALREADY.

BUT THEY DO COME TO THE DESERT PERIODICALLY TO DO THINGS AT THE MUSEUM AND THEY'RE REASONABLY PRICED. SO IF YOU CAN KIND OF INVESTIGATE THAT GROUP.

IF YOU SEND THAT IN AN EMAIL.

WE CAN DEFINITELY JUST SEND THEM THE INVITATION.

DO YOU REMEMBER THEIR NAME BILL BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FROM LAST.

YEAH. I'LL TRY TO FIND IN MY RECORDS.

BUT THEY ARE QUALIFIED CONSERVATORS.

THAT'S THE THING. FINDING THE PERSON WHO IS QUALIFIED AND BEING A CONSERVATOR.

WELL IT'S GOTTEN EASIER, BUT STILL IT'S NOT AS EASY AS YOU THINK.

THEY HAVE TO BE REALLY QUALIFIED.

I DIDN'T WANT TO CAST TOO WIDE OF A NET BECAUSE THE MURALS ARE A PRESSING ISSUE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY BE GOOD AT DOING A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT I DO WANT SOMEONE THAT CAN SPECIALIZE IN MURALS.

PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE SCULPTURES THAT WE HAVE START GETTING TO A PLACE WHERE THEY NEED MORE THAN JUST REGULAR MAINTENANCE, WE COULD CAST A WIDER NET.

BUT I JUST REALLY WANT THAT PERSON TO BE ABLE TO GIVE US [INAUDIBLE] THESE MURALS BECAUSE THEY ARE IN VARYING STATES, AS YOU ARE FULLY AWARE OF DISREPAIR.

RIGHT. I'LL ALSO CHECK BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S A GROUP IN LOS ANGELES THAT PRETTY MUCH FOCUSES ON MURALS.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE LITERALLY TRAINED CONSERVATORS, BUT THEIR BUSINESS, BECAUSE IT IS MURAL MAINTENANCE AND CONSERVATION.

OKAY. YES.

IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS, I THINK THERE IS NO HARM IN LOOKING INTO THEM AND SEEING IF WE CAN FIND SOMEONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEIR QUALIFICATIONS ARE.

BUT I THINK IF YOU CAN GET THAT INFORMATION TO DEBRA, WE CAN DO THAT.

BUT PLEASE UNDERSTAND, THE MURALS ARE IMPORTANT.

WE KNOW THAT.

ALSO IF IT'S POSSIBLE, I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE NEWER COMMISSION MEMBERS MAY NOT HAVE THIS FULL INFORMATION.

BUT E.J.

AND BILL, YOU GUYS MIGHT.

SO I HAVE A SPREADSHEET OF A LIST OF ALL OF THE MURALS AND THE ARTISTS.

BUT I BELIEVE I DON'T KNOW IF I'M MISTAKEN THAT SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE THAT HAS BEEN DONE AND IT HASN'T BEEN DONE BY THE ACTUAL ARTIST, BUT BY SOMEONE ELSE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS THE INFORMATION THAT I SEE ON THE SPREADSHEET, BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY INFORMATION THAT IS CLEAN AND CLEAR CUT ABOUT WHAT'S WHAT.

SO I WILL EMAIL THAT TO YOU GUYS.

AND IF THAT LOOKS CORRECT OR IF THERE'S ANOTHER PERSON, IF YOU CAN SHARE THAT WITH ME.

AND I ALSO DO NOT HAVE CONTACT INFORMATION.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT SPREADSHEET AS UP TO DATE AS I CAN.

SO IT WOULD BE GREAT IF I CAN GET YOUR HELP ON THAT.

OK. THANK YOU.

JUST MAKE A NOTE OF IT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THE MURALS. I HAVE ONE, ARE WE GONNA GET AN UPDATE ON THE [INAUDIBLE] MURAL. OK.

SO. I'M SORRY.

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YEAH, SRRY I HAD A WHOLE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, SO, YEAH, I GOT A CALL.

I THINK IT WAS MAYBE TWO WEEKS AGO THAT IT WAS DEFACED WITH A FIFTY TWO ON THE FRONT.

AND I WAS CONCERNED BECAUSE I ASKED GRAFFITI ABATEMENT TO GO OUT THERE.

BUT AS WE KNOW, THEY LOVE TO USE THAT MAROON COLOR PAINT.

SO [INAUDIBLE] ASKED THEM TO SEE IF THEY COULD JUST REMOVE IT WITH JUST WANT TO CLEAN IT OFF. THAT DIDN'T WORK AS WELL.

BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO USE SOME SORT OF LIKE I HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN THE FLESH, BUT THEY'VE SENT ME PICTURES THAT THAT SORT OF OBFUSCATE THE GRAFFITI.

BUT IT'S NOT LOOKING LIKE NEW THEY THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO REMOVE THE BLUE PAINT THAT WAS ON THERE.

NOT TO DO.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE NEED CONSERVATORS.

YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO TAKE PAINT OFF A PAINTED MURAL.

YOU KNOW, GRAFFITI ABATEMENT DOES A GREAT JOB FOR WHAT THEY DO ON BLANK WALLS OR WHATEVER, BUT THEY'RE NOT TRAINED TO WORK ON A MURAL.

I MEAN, THAT THE POSSIBILITY OF RUINING IT IS SO GREAT.

NO. SO I IMAGINE AT THIS POINT, ONCE WE DO GET THE CONSERVATOR, THEN THE TREATMENT OF THAT AREA IS GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT TO GET IT LOOKING THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'D BE A MATTER OF REMOVING PAINTS OR PAINTING ON TOP OF IT.

AND PEOPLE HAVE OFFERED TO GO UP THERE AND SPRAY PAINT AND DO IT THEMSELVES.

AND THEN WE GET INTO THAT SITUATION WHERE THEY BUT I FEEL LIKE TRYING TO FIX PART OF IT WITHOUT FIXING ALL OF IT IS GOING TO BE A MESS.

WELL, IF I MAY THAT ONE, I THINK IS THE ONLY MURAL WITHOUT AN ANTI-GRAFFITI COAT.

THE OTHER ONES DO HAVE IT BECAUSE THAT BUILDING, WE WERE TOLD, HAS TO BE TORN DOWN.

AND THAT NEEDED TO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION FOR THE MURAL COMMITTEE ABOUT EITHER RELOCATING A MURAL OR RECREATING IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND THEN I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT GRAFFITI ABATEMENT IS USING THE RIGHT KIND OF PAINT WHEN THEY DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THAT IT IS REPAIRABLE IN THE SHORT TERM.

SO WHAT I THINK MIGHT BE IMPORTANT FOR US TO DO.

MAYBE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO DO WITH I DON'T KNOW KEVIN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO TELL ME.

IF IT WOULD BE WITH GIL OR IF IT WOULD BE WITH LAYLA TO DETERMINE WHICH OF THESE PROPERTIES WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR THEM.

BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GO OUT AND INVEST A BUNCH TO REPAIR A MURAL.

AND THEN HERE COMES A WRECKING BALL NEXT WEEK.

WELL, YEAH, THE SHORT RESPONSE IS THAT I THINK THAT PARTS OF THAT BUILDING, THERE WERE SOME ISSUES IN THE PAST.

SOME DAY YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THE DOWNTOWN PLAN ENVISIONS THAT AREA GETTING REVITALIZED AT SOME POINT.

BUT THAT COULD BE AWHILE.

SO I THINK PROBABLY IF IN ANTICIPATION THAT IT COULD BE A WHILE.

I THINK IT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE FIRST OF ALL, TO GET THE CONSERVATOR OR FIGURE OUT WHAT THE REPAIRS ARE NECESSARY.

IN MY MIND WE DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE FOR WHEN THAT BUILDING IS GOING TO COME DOWN.

AND I'VE TALKED WITH FOLKS HERE AND THAT THE THOUGHT WAS IT WOULD COME DOWN SOMEDAY, SOMEDAY COULD BE 10 YEARS FROM NOW.

ANTI-GRAFFITI APPLICATION DONE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ARE AT A FURTHER ALONG POINT, WHERE THAT BECOMES REAL ABOUT POTENTIALLY COMING DOWN, I THINK, THEN AT THAT TIME OR EVEN PRIOR TO THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AT THAT TIME IT COULD BE ANYTIME.

I THINK A PLAN OF WHAT TO DO ABOUT THAT MURAL SHOULD BE DISCUSSED.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THE COMMISSION COULD DISCUSS NOW.

AND IT COULD BE FIVE YEARS OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW THAT IT PLANS.

BUT WE CAN HAVE THE PLAN IN PLACE FOR IT EVEN SOONER.

BUT NO BUILDINGS.

THE ONLY TIME THAT A BUILDING WOULD COME DOWN IS IF IT'S DEEMED UNSAFE.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT BUILDING IS NOT DEEMED UNSAFE.

IT'S AN OLDER BUILDING ON REINFORCED MASONRY CONCRETE.

AND IT'S ALSO ENVISION THAT SOMEDAY IT WOULD COME DOWN TO BE REPLACED BY NEW DEVELOPMENT OR NEWER DEVELOPMENT. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN HONESTLY, FOR A WHILE.

SO IT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE TO INVEST BACK INTO THAT MURAL.

OK. THAT'S PROBABLY WHY HE COULDN'T GET THE BLUE PAINT OFF BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAVE THE ANT I-GRAFFITI COAT ON THERE. YEAH, I DRIVE BY IT EVERY DAY AND IT'S BEEN IMPACTED.

I MEAN, THERE'S NO DOUBT IT DOESN'T I MEAN THE WORK THAT DEBRA MENTIONED, IT HELPED A

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IT'S UNFORTUNATE. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN FOCUS ON MS. DEBRA'S TRYING TO GET A CONSERVATOR ON BOARD THEN I THINK WE CAN HELP RESTORE IT, HOPEFULLY, AND THEN PUT THE APPLICATION ON IT THAT WILL HOPEFULLY DETER.

I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS THAT GRAFFITI ARTISTS, IF YOU CALL THEM THAT OR GRAFFITI PEOPLE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM, CAN BE VERY GOOD AT GETTING GRAFFITI WHERE THEY WANT IT.

BUT I THINK HAVING THE COAT ON THERE THE APPLICATION WILL CERTAINLY HELP.

YEAH. GRAFFITI ARTISTS DON'T TAMPER WITH OTHER ARTISTS WORK VANDALS DO.

I SAID ARTISTS AND I WAS WRONG. [LAUGHTER] ARTISTS. WE CALLED THEM SOMETHING ELSE WHEN I USED TO BE INVOLVED IN CODE ENFORCEMENT.

YEAH. YEAH.

BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT'S GOOD.

THAT KIND OF BUSINESS IN ACTION.

I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN BY THE END OF SUMMER.

AND I KNOW SUMMER THE SUMMER HERE IS KIND OF LIKE WINTER IN IOWA WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A SUPER HIGH TRAFFIC TIME SO THAT BY THE TIME PEOPLE ARE OUT AND ABOUT HERE, WE WANT THINGS TO BE LOOKING GOOD.

[6.3 Strategic Planning Update]

SO I DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE FOR THAT AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY.

I WANTED TO MEET WITH LIKE I HAVE BEEN SAYING, THE CITY MANAGER THE BUDGET IS ON WEDNESDAY, THE BUDGET MEETING.

AND I KNOW BEFORE THAT IT'S VERY CHAOTIC.

AND I FIGURED, WHO BETTER TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WHEN THINGS AREN'T CHAOTIC? AND SO ON FRIDAY, I DO HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.

AND SO I DEFINITELY I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WAITING AND I'M SORRY FOR THAT.

IN THE MEANTIME I'VE BEEN LEARNING A LOT ABOUT HOW THESE PROCESSES WORK AND OTHER [INAUDIBLE] AND THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO.

SO IF I CAN GET BACK TO YOU GUYS NEXT MONTH WITH A CONCRETE PLAN ABOUT WHEN WE WILL MEET WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, OR WHEN WHEN WE WILL MEET WITH MARK I'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU MORE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO SAY ABOUT WHAT THAT PROCESS IS GOING TO BE.

ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM 6.4 TRAFFIC SIGNAL BOX GUIDELINE REDO.

[6.4 Traffic Signal Box Guideline Review]

WE HAD OUR MEETING A WHILE BACK.

AND GUS.

THANK YOU E.J. GUS SPOKE CAME INTO OUR MEETING, GUS, FROM PLANNING.

I'M SORRY. AND HE WAS TALKING TO US ABOUT WE WERE TALKING TO HIM ABOUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. AND HE SENT THAT MAP.

I GOT IT TODAY. AND IT KIND OF SHOWS WHERE THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL BOXES ARE AND WHAT THE PROXIMITY ARE TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF PLACEMENT.

WE WILL STILL HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND DECIDE BECAUSE THAT'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF BOXES.

SO WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE TO.

WE'D HAVE TO PICK SOME AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO GO LOOK AT THE LOCATION.

BUT IT DOES SHOW THAT THERE'S ENOUGH OF THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE.

WHICH IS I THINK WAS IMPORTANT.

THE ACTUAL ARE BASICALLY WHAT WE SPOKE ABOUT IN THAT MEETING.

AND AGAIN, I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU GUYS FOR GETTING THESE MATERIALS TO YOU LATE I WAS HAVING A LOT OF COMPUTER PROBLEMS. AND IT JUST MADE LIFE VERY DIFFICULT.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PDF, IT IS I MATCHED THE LANGUAGE WITH WHAT YOU GUYS HAD BEFORE,

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I NOTICED THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO BOGART THIS CONVERSATION ALSO, IF YOU TWO WOULD LIKE TO JUMP IN AS SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS.

SO JUST CHECK ON ME IF I'M WRONG.

I INCLUDED OUR MISSION IN THERE.

I INCLUDED OUR VISION ON THE SIDE.

I DIDN'T INCLUDE.

THERE ARE SOME ELEMENTS I COULD INCLUDE BECAUSE WHEN I FOUND IT.

OH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BILL.

WHEN I FOUND THE OLD ONES, THE AMOUNT THAT YOU GUYS WERE PAYING WAS BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE ARTIST WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT AND PAINT THE BOXES WITH PAINT AND DO THE WORK THEMSELVES. AND I KNOW SINCE THAT TIME, WE KIND OF REVERTED TO BOX WRAPS.

AND SO BECAUSE PEOPLE REALLY [INAUDIBLE] GOING TO BE SUBMITTING DIGITAL IMAGES JUST SORT OF FITTED TO THE SHAPE OF THE BOXES.

AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS MUCH WORK ON THEIR PART.

WE CAME UP WITH FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS PER IMAGE.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S FAIR, GIVEN THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORK.

BUT OF COURSE, YOU GUYS CAN WEIGH IN ON THAT COMPARED TO OTHER PROGRAMS, AND OTHER PROGRAMS THEY APPLIED THE PAINT.

AND I FEEL LIKE THOSE HAVE WEATHERED THE WORST OUT OF ALL OF THEM.

WE HAD A CONSENSUS ON THAT IN THAT SUB COMMITTEE MEETING.

SO I THINK WE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, WE SAID THAT PEOPLE CAN USE ANY MEDIUM THAT THEY LIKE BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE A DIGITAL IMAGE OF WHATEVER MEDIUM THEY'VE USED.

THAT WOULD INCLUDE THEY CAN USE PHOTOS, THEY CAN USE ALL DIFFERENT THINGS.

BUT WITH THAT SAID, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS NO COPYRIGHT MATERIAL, NO LOGOS, NOTHING THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE A SIGN FOR A BUSINESS, NO PROMOTIONAL, ANYTHING.

AND OF COURSE, IT CAN'T HAVE ANY EXPLICIT MATERIAL OR POLITICAL MESSAGING, SPECIFIC POLITICAL MESSAGING.

ALSO SO WHAT I WAS THINKING IS THAT THIS IS PRETTY IN-DEPTH.

BUT I STILL SEE THEM AS GUIDELINES.

I THINK THE NEXT STEP.

AND YOU GUYS CAN, AGAIN, HOP IN IF YOU THINK I'M OVERTHINKING IT.

BUT TO DO A CALL FOR ARTISTS, WHICH WOULD BE JUST GETTING THE SPECIFICS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN JUST LIKE WHAT THE PROGRAM IS, WHAT IT'S ABOUT, WHAT IS AND IS NOT ALLOWED.

OR IF YOU GUYS THINK THIS IS MAYBE DETAILED ENOUGH BUT I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO KIND OF SPELL OUT WHAT THE PROGRAM WAS, WHAT IT WAS GOING TO DO.

AND THEN THERE IS ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY.

SO THIS ELECTION PROCESS.

SO I KNOW AND I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THIS BASED ON THE MILES PROCESS.

I MEAN, THAT ONE COULD IT WAS PRETTY BLIND.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, I WAS THERE.

YOU GUYS WERE LIKE LOOKING TO SEE, WELL, WHO IS THIS OR WHATEVER.

BUT I JUST THINK THAT HAVING A BLIND SELECTION IS JUST ALWAYS BETTER BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE [INAUDIBLE] INTO INTERCONNECTING THE COMMUNITY, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO KNOW, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT AS FAIR AS POSSIBLE.

SO IN THE PAST WHEN I'VE DONE THESE, I WOULD COLLECT THE INFORMATION AND EITHER BLACKOUT IDENTIFYING INFORMATION OR YOU'D MAKE THE DECISIONS.

AN INITIAL SET OF DECISIONS BASED ON THE PICTURES AND THEN REVIEW THE RESUMES AFTER THE FACT. AT THE END OF THE DAY IT REALLY IS ABOUT HOW IT LOOKS AND HOW IT WILL FUNCTION.

BUT I JUST THINK THAT DOING THE BLIND SELECTION WAS IMPORTANT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW SO THAT THEY DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE PICKING FRIENDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO, YEAH THEY WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, SUBMIT ALL OF THE THINGS NECESSARY TO BE ELIGIBLE.

I WOULD MAKE IT ANONYMOUS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS, AND THEN SEND THEM ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD THEN MAKE THE DECISION, SEND IT ON TO YOU.

I'M NOT SURE IF WE'D HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL FOR THIS OR IF WE'D HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL NOW

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KEVIN, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO LET ME KNOW.

I DON'T THINK SO, UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING.

I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY WITHIN THE AUTHORITY OF THE CITY MANAGER FOR SIGNING AND DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT IT MAY BE WITHIN MY AUTHORITY.

SO SINCE THIS IS AN EXISTING PROGRAM, I DON'T THINK SO.

OK. PERFECT.

ALSO, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, JUST BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE FLOOD, IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY ON THE METHOD OF ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS.

AND I DON'T WANT TO BE INUNDATED WITH A BUNCH OF PACKAGES BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS EVEN AFTER WE MAKE THE SELECTIONS WE CANNOT GET RID OF THEM.

WE CAN'T JUST THROW THEM AWAY.THEY'D HAVE TO STAY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS OR [INAUDIBLE] BEFORE WE CAN GET RID OF EVEN APPLICATION MATERIALS.

SO THAT'S WHY IF IT'S DIGITAL I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A BOX IN MY OFFICE OF ENVELOPES WITH FLASH DRIVES AND CD'S AND MODELS AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.

IT HAS TO BE TO [INAUDIBLE] IN ANY CASE, IT HAS TO BE SUBMITTED DIGITALLY TO THE COMPANY TO DO THE WRAP. I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD THAT VENESSA RAISED WAS THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TRANSLATE THEIR IMAGE THEMSELVES TO BE ABLE TO DIGITIZE IT THEMSELVES. AND A FEW PEOPLE I SPOKE TO SAID THAT THEY WORKED WITH A GRAPHIC DESIGNER WHO WAS ABLE TO HELP PUT THE IMAGES TOGETHER TO FIT ON THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL BOX.

I'M HAPPY TO I THINK ONCE I AM ABLE TO CONNECT TO THE COMPANY, WHICH I ONLY FOUND OUT ABOUT RECENTLY, BUT WE WILL SOMETIMES THEY HAVE AN IN-HOUSE GRAPHIC DESIGNER.

SOMETIMES WE MIGHT HAVE TO GET A PERSON TO DO IT.

BUT IT'S KIND OF MAYBE YOU KNOW, HELP SOMEONE SCAN THE IMAGE AT THE LIBRARY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I'M HAPPY TO HELP SOMEONE IF THEY DON'T.

TOM YOU'RE A MEDIA TEACHER. MEDIA TEACHER.

[LAUGHTER] MAYBE YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE IS JUST.

I'M A MEDIA TEACHER, BUT I CAN EASILY IMAGINE THIS GETTING INTO SOMETHING I WOULD NEED TO BE PAID TO DO BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF HELP THAT SOMEONE WOULD NEED IS NOT SOMETHING I'M EQUIPPED TO PROVIDE. OK.

OK. I WAS HOPING BUT OKAYS IT'S COOL.

BUT WE CAN FIGURE OUT SOME WAY TO PROVIDE THAT HELP.

WHETHER IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER OR THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT.

HOW TO LIKE SAY DO THE APPLICATION OR SOMETHING I'LL GO TO THE LIBRARY AND HELP THEM OR GET SOMEONE TO HELP THEM WITH THAT PROCESS BECAUSE I DO WANT IT TO BE EQUITABLE.

I JUST DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF MANILA FOLDERS WITH ARTWORK I'M NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH. AND THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE DEBRA.

NOW IT'S NOT EVERY APPLICATION IS GOING TO REQUIRE THAT TYPE OF ATTENTION.

I WOULD DOUBT. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE AS A COMMISSION CAN OFFER THAT AS A SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY, TO THE ARTIST COMMUNITY, THAT IF INDEED YOU CAN NOT DIGITIZE YOUR IMAGERY WE WILL WORK WITH YOU BY FINDING AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR TO GET IT DONE, ESPECIALLY IF THEIR IMAGERY IS SOMETHING THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE REALLY LIKES.

I THINK THAT'S A SERVICE TO THE ARTIST COMMUNITY THAT WOULD BE QUITE SUBSTANTIAL AND VERY HELPFUL. SO I GUESS I AGREE WITH YOU.

I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, HOW WOULD THEY SUBMIT IT FOR REVIEW? WELL, WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY THAT VENESSA'S PROBLEM WAS OR CONCERN WAS? I THINK NO WHAT SHE WAS SAYING IS WHAT IF SOMEONE DID NOT HAVE THE TECHNOLOGICAL ABILITY? WHAT IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE ACCESS TO A COMPUTER, A SCANNER OR THE EQUIPMENT NECESSARY TO SUBMIT IT YEAH.

THEN IF THEY DO REALLY GOOD WORK.

NUMBER ONE, I'D BE SHOCKED IF ANYONE THAT DOES GOOD WORK DOESN'T HAVE ABILITIES TO DO TECHNICAL WORK. BUT IF THEY DON'T.

AND SOME MAYBE NOT.

THEN WE HELP THEM ON THAT TECHNICAL WORK.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? MAYBE JUST TO HELP IN THE CONVERSATION.

SO, BILL, I THINK IF I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF SOMEONE, AND I APOLOGIZE, I MAY NOT SAY THIS ENTIRELY CORRECTLY.

IF SOMEONE HAS AN IDEA AND THEY ROUGH DRAW IT OUT BUT THEY ARE NOT ARTISTIC ENOUGH OR THEY DON'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO TAKE IT TO A LEVEL, THEN WE COULD HELP THEM WITH A PARTY

[00:40:01]

WE LIKE THE CONCEPT AND WE WANT TO KIND OF FLESH IT OUT FURTHER.

WE COULD TURN IT OVER TO AN INDIVIDUAL OR WHOEVER TO FLESH IT OUT IN A MORE GRAPHIC FORMAT. IS THAT KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WELL, IN A WAY, YES.

I MEAN, BUT THE CONCEPT HAS TO BE TAKEN TO A CERTAIN POINT BY THE ARTIST THEMSELVES.

YOU KNOW WE CAN'T DO IT FOR THEM.

RIGHT. BUT IF THEY CAN GET IT TO A CERTAIN POINT AND THEN ARE JUST TOTALLY INCAPABLE OF TAKING IT TECHNOLOGICALLY TAKING IT TO THE ULTIMATE LEVEL THAT WE NEED, THEN I THINK THE IDEA OF OFFERING THAT ASSISTANCE WOULD BE A REALLY REALLY NICE THING TO DO.

I THINK E.J. KEEPS RAISING HIS HAND.

IF I MAY. I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM IS YOU MIGHT END UP WITH SOMEONE THAT, SAY, CREATED A PAINTING OR DRAWING THAT IS CAMERA READY.

BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE CAMERAS.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

MY PERSONAL OPINION I THINK YOU SHOULD STILL BE ABLE TO TURN IN A PAPER COPY OR AN ARTWORK. IT DOESN'T QUITE WORK IF SOMEONE SAY IS MAKING A PAINTING AND THEY WANT TO TURN IN THAT PAINTING.

THEY WOULD NEED ASSISTANCE TO MAKE IT CAMERA READY.

I MEAN, IF YOU WERE AN ART STUDENT IN ART CLASS, YOU HAD PORTFOLIO DAY WHERE YOU CAME AND YOU BROUGHT YOUR THINGS AND IT WAS PROPERLY LIT AND THEY SHOT IT.

AND THEY EITHER GAVE YOU SLIDES OR THEY GAVE YOU DIGITAL.

I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE NEED TO BE WITH SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE TECHNOLOGY, DOESN'T HAVE A COMPUTER, DOESN'T HAVE A DIGITAL CAMERA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

YEAH. NOT NECESSARILY SOMEONE CAME OUT WITH A PENCIL SKETCH AND GOES, I WANT TO SEE THIS HAPPEN. I GUESS IT'S WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO GET THIS TO THE DIGITAL PEOPLE WITHOUT THEM TAKING A PICTURE DIGITALLY THEMSELVES.

[INAUDIBLE] SO I AGREE WITH BILL THAT WE DO NEED TO KNOW IF WE'RE TRYING TO EMPOWER ARTISTS HERE. AND THEY HAVE REALLY GOOD WORKS THAT THEY WANT TO SUBMIT, BUT IT'S NOT DIGITIZED IN THAT FORMAT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE FORMAT OF THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL BOXES.

IT'S LIKE, WHAT, SIX DIFFERENT PIECES? I WANT TO GIVE THAT PERSON THE OPPORTUNITY TO STILL BE ABLE TO SUBMIT THAT WORK.

I THINK PART OF THE QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT IS THE COST THAT IT'S GOING TO COST US TO GET THAT WORK DIGITIZED TO THEN ASSEMBLE INTO THOSE PIECES.

WHAT IS IT GOING TO COST US MORE TO DO THAT WITH A COMPANY THAT DOES THE WRAP'S WOULD THEY PERHAPS MAKE THAT PART OF THE DEAL.

SO OTHER DAY BY GIVING ME JUST RECENTLY I HAVE NOT REACHED OUT TO THEM YET AND I DON'T KNOW SEEING THAT THIS IS A SECOND ITERATION, IF WE WOULD HAVE TO DO ANOTHER CALL OR NOT.

I JUST THINK. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DECIDED TODAY.

BUT I JUST THINK THE IDEA OF OFFERING SOME SORT OF ASSISTANCE TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT NEED IT, YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY NEED.

SO IF THE COMPANY HAS A GRAPHIC DESIGNER, WHICH I THINK A LOT OF THEM DO, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT ASSISTANCE IN GETTING THE IMAGE READY.

YEAH OR WHATEVER THE NEED IS.

YEAH. TWO POINT, I THINK JUST A TWO PART SYSTEM.

IF SOMEONE WANTS TO APPLY AND THEY DON'T HAVE A TYPICAL APPLICATION YOU'RE TRYING TO CUT DOWN ON THE PAPER. S WE DON'T GET A FLOOD AND LOSE THE PIECE OF PAPER.

I THINK IF SOMEONE WANTED TO TURN IN SOMETHING AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL TO DIGITIZE, THEN IT COULD BE JUST AS SIMPLE AS THEY BRING IT TO THE CITY.

AND WE TAKE A PHOTOGRAPH OF IT AND WE SAVE THAT PHOTOGRAPH.

AND IF THE SUBCOMMITTEE DECIDES LATER THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO USE THAT PIECE, THEY'D HAVE TO CALL IT BACK IN.

AND THEN YOU COULD TEAM UP WITH THE WRAP COMPANY AND MAKE IT CAMERA READY AND HAVE THEM DO ALL THAT WORK AS A SEPARATE THING, RATHER THAN MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS, YOU KNOW, A REALLY GOOD QUALITY DIGITAL PHOTO FROM THE GET GO, IF THEY HAVE A PIECE OF PHYSICAL WORK.

YEAH. AT LEAST SOMETHING DIGITAL FOR YOUR FILE.

OK. SO I THINK WHAT I CAN DO.

LET ME SEE WHAT I CAN DO.

IT DOES SAY ON THERE THAT IF SOMEONE REQUIRES ASSISTANCE, THAT THEY'D HAVE TO CONTACT ME BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO OPEN IT.

YES, YOU COULD SEND THE PAPER SUBMISSIONS BECAUSE THEN PEOPLE WHO CAN JUST SIMPLY SUBMIT IT ONLINE WILL STILL SEND ME A FLASH DRIVE AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT I FEEL REALLY BAD THROWING OUT, WHICH I HAD TO DO THE LAST TIME.

AND THERE'S STILL CONCRETE MODELS IN MY OFFICE OF OTHER THINGS.

[00:45:03]

IF IT GETS TO THE POINT THAT PEOPLE REALLY DO NEED THIS AND I KNOW IT CAN BE DISRUPTIVE AND A HASSLE AND KIND OF STRANGE FOR FOLKS TO BE TAKING PHOTOGRAPHS AT CITY HALL.

WE CAN MAKE, YOU KNOW, OK, JUST ONE DAY A MONTH OR TWICE A MONTH, WHATEVER IT IS, COME OVER TO THE ARTS CENTER. I'VE GOT PLENTY OF SPACE WHERE WE CAN PHOTOGRAPH AND THAT WAY PEOPLE CAN TAKE THEIR TIME.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN WE'VE GOT LIGHTS AND PHOTOGRAPHIC PAPER.

WHY NOT? I'M OPEN FOR THAT.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

I JUST I APPRECIATE THAT, I THINK THAT'S GOOD.

AND I HAVEN'T DONE ANY DIGITAL APPLICATIONS HERE, YOU GUYS KNOW THAT.

I'M SO PRETTY NEW HERE.

AND I KNOW THAT WHEN I SPOKE WITH MATT ABOUT IT, WHEN I FIRST ARRIVED, HE HE GAVE ME SEVERAL OPTIONS ABOUT ONLINE PORTALS ON WAYS THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD THE FORM SO THAT IT COULD BE AS USER FRIENDLY AS POSSIBLE.

THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING CALLED SUBMITABLE.

AND THEY DID CONTACT ME AGAIN WHEN I FIRST ARRIVED ABOUT I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH SUBMITABLES.

THEY USE IT FOR A LOT OF ART, CALL FOR ARTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

IT'S A COMPANY. WE'D HAVE TO PAY THEM.

WE'D HAVE TO KEEP THEM [INAUDIBLE].

BUT I'LL BE GOING TO THIS WEEK [INAUDIBLE] EXPLORER WITH I.T.

ON HOW WE CAN DO THESE SUBMISSIONS TO JUST FIND THE EASIEST WAY FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO UPLOAD. WE OK. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THAT.

SUBCOMMITTEE CAN WE COMMIT TO MEETING NEXT WEEK TO MAKE THIS SELECTIONS ON THAT MAP THANK YOU. EVELYN JUST LET ME KNOW THAT WE'VE USED A GRAPHIC DESIGNER IN THE PAST, SO I'LL LOOK INTO THAT [INAUDIBLE] ONE.

WHAT WAS I SAYING? SUBCOMMITTEE.

OH YES SUBCOMMITTEE. THANK YOU.

THE SUBCOMMITTEE. CAN WE COMMIT TO MEETING NEXT WEEK TO MAKE THE SELECTIONS? AND WE HAVE TO DETERMINE HOW MANY WHERE AND ALL THAT.

YES. SO THAT WAS THE FINAL THING.

AND THAT'S ALL FOR THIS ITEM FOR ME.

OK. I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO MY AGENDA ANYMORE.

MY COMPUTER COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN.

SO I THINK THAT WAS ALL OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS. THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT.

SO BECAUSE YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION.

AS COMMISSIONERS YOU'VE ALSO BEEN ENROLLED IN MEMBERSHIP IN AMERICANS FOR THE ARTS.

NOW, DUE TO GO COVID 19, THEY'RE NOT HAVING THEIR ANNUAL CONVENTION IN DEBRA. SORRY, CAN I INTERRUPT.

TECHNICALLY, WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS UNDER STAFF ITEMS [INAUDIBLE] RULES.

SORRY.

JUST TECHNICALLY WE HAVE TO DO THAT SO WE DON'T GET IN TROUBLE.

SO MAYBE, VENESSA, MOVE US ON TO THAT AND THEN DO THAT.

SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT.

SHE'D HAVE TO MOVE US OFF THE STAFF ITEMS YES.

ALL RIGHT, I'LL MOVE US ONTO STAFF ITEMS. STAFF ITEMS SEVEN.

THERE'S NO STUDY SESSION ITEMS, WHICH IS THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, IT'S TO ASSIST THE CHAIR.

IF WE'RE DONE WITH ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS, THE NEXT ITEM IS STUDY SESSION ITEMS AND THERE ARE NONE. OK.

AND SO IF YOU WANTED TO MOVE US PAST THAT, YOU CAN.

AND THEN STAFF ITEMS IS THE NEXT ITEM AFTER STUDY SESSION ITEMS WERE DEBRA CAN CONTINUE.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL MOVE ONTO STAFF ITEMS.

[8 STAFF ITEMS:]

OK. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO YOU GUYS ARE ALL ENROLLED AS MEMBERS OF AMERICAN [INAUDIBLE] ARTS AND I USUALLY TRY TO MAKE A POINT SHOWING ANNUALLY.

I LEARN A LOT WHEN I GO THERE, BUT THAT'S USUALLY A HUGE PRODUCTION, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.

THE WEEKEND WILL DOUBLE [INAUDIBLE].

[00:50:01]

AND BECAUSE I AM NOT GOING TO BE GOING, I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO OFFER ALL OF YOU.

I KNOW OUR CHAIR WON A SCHOLARSHIP TO GO [INAUDIBLE].

THEY ARE GOING TO COVER EVERYTHING FOR HER TO FLY OUT THERE AND LIVE IT UP AND DO THE MOST. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE ALL GROUNDED RIGHT NOW.

SO I WANTED TO BASICALLY EXTEND THAT TO ALL OF YOU.

THIS YEAR THE CONFERENCE IS CHANGING A LITTLE BIT, WHICH I WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT BECAUSE THEY HAD THE ANNUAL CONVENTION AND THEY HAVE PUBLIC ART AND CIVIC DESIGN, WHICH IS REALLY FOCUSED ON PUBLIC ART.

AND SO I ASKED KEVIN IF I WOULD BE ABLE TO OFFER YOU GUYS TO COVER THE COSTS OF REGISTRATION. AND HE SAID YES.

SO IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN DOING IT, LET ME JUST I THINK IT'S.

[INAUDIBLE] TWENTY THIRD.

23RD TO THE 25TH.

YES. SO IT'S GOING TO BE ON ZOOM, WHICH I KNOW WE'RE PROBABLY ALL A LITTLE UPSET ABOUT.

BUT, YEAH, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED AND AVAILABLE.

THEY HAVE ONE DAY THEY HAVE FOR THE WHOLE THING.

THEY HAVE PRECONFERENCE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF WHERE YOU CAN GO.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SET UP YOUR MEMBERSHIP, BUT A FEW HAVE BEEN ENROLLED.

I KNOW EVELYN'S ENROLLED YOU, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO GO IN AND SET UP YOUR GUEST LOG IN AND ALL OF THAT. SO IF I CAN JUMP IN.

I THINK SINCE WE'RE PAYING FOR IT, IT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE FOR US TO REGISTER THOSE THAT ARE I THINK THERE'S A REGISTRATION DEADLINE AND I REMEMBER FROM WHAT YOU SENT ME.

SO PERHAPS IF THEY COULD IF FOR THOSE THAT ARE INTERESTED, JUST NOTIFY EVELYN BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE TO PAY PROBABLY A FEE.

I FORGOT WHAT THE FEE IS, BUT WHATEVER THE FEE AMOUNT IS.

I THINK IF WE DID, THEN WE CAN COVER THAT THROUGH THE CITY CREDIT CARD.

SO WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THAT I KNOW YOU CAN DO THE ONE DAY AND YOU CAN DO TWO DAYS.

YOU CAN DO ALL OF IT. SO JUST LOOK AT YOUR SCHEDULE.

LOOK ON THE WEBSITE AND SEE WHAT YOU WANT TO SIGN UP FOR BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO SIGN UP ALL DAYS FOR THE WHOLE THING IF YOU CAN ONLY BE THERE FOR ONE AFTERNOON.

RIGHT. AND THEN JUST NOTIFY EVELYN AND THEN SHE CAN SIGN YOU UP BASED ON WHAT YOUR PREFERENCES ARE AND WE CAN PAY FOR THAT.

BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE IS A DEADLINE.

I THINK I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.

BUT I THINK WHAT YOU SENT ME THERE.

THEY ASKED FOR A REGISTRATION BY A CERTAIN DATE.

THEY WERE TRYING TO. AND I DON'T REMEMBER I MAY BE WRONG, BUT.

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN D.C..

HOW ABOUT I JUST SEND YOU GUYS THE LINK AND I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN THE CUT OFF POINT IS, BECAUSE I'M NOT FINDING IT.

I WILL SEND YOU ALL AN EMAIL ABOUT WHAT THE DATES ARE AND I WILL SEND YOU THE LINK SO YOU CAN HAVE A LOOK AT WHAT OKAY HERE WE GO BACK.

I'LL SEND YOU A LINK AS TO WHAT THE SCHEDULE IS, AND YOU CAN HAVE A LOOK AT THAT AND THEN NOTIFY US IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.

AND I WILL ALSO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE DEADLINE IS.

OKAY. WOULD THAT BE CONCLUDING OUR MEETING? I THINK THERE'S COMMISSIONER COMMENTS AFTER STAFF.

[9 COMMISSIONER COMMENTS]

I DON'T WANT TO TOUCH A COMPUTER ANYMORE.

ALL RIGHT, DO ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY TO SHARE.

I HAVE A QUESTION. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME.

YES. OK. YES.

SO APART FROM THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL COMMITTEE, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMITTEES THAT ARE OPEN RIGHT NOW THAT I CAN JUMP ON?

[00:55:05]

I UNFORTUNATELY CANNOT ACCESS IT RIGHT NOW.

OK. JUST SEND AN EMAIL.

I WILL CHECK ON THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU.

I DON'T KNOW IF EVELYN HAS IT IS BUT SHE CAN SEE IT.

AND [INAUDIBLE] VERSION.

SO ALL THE COMMITTEES HAVE TO HAVE 2 PEOPLE.

I HAVE THE LIST. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO FORWARD THAT TO YOU? YES, PLEASE.

E.J. I SAW YOUR EMAIL.

SO I JUST SENT IT TO YOU.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT KEEPS HAPPENING.

I DON'T. I GOT BROOKE BEARE TO DO IT RIGHT ONCE.

WHEN SHE SENDS ME THE INDIO THING, EVERYTHING SINCE THEN HASN'T WORKED, IT HAS TO DO WITH MY HOSTING FOR MY E-MAIL, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THE SAME SERVICE.

I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO FIX THAT.

SO SHOULD [INAUDIBLE] WORK EMAIL.

PARDON. SHOULD I SEND IT YOUR WORK EMAIL.

YEAH. I'M STILL AT MY OFFICE, IF YOU SEND IT TO ME NOW, I'LL GET IT.

OK. IT HAS TO DO WITH YOU GUYS, THE MICROSOFT OFFICE OUTLOOK AND SENDING, I THINK, RICH TEXT FORMAT.

YOU NEED TO SEND IT AS HTML AND THERE'S NO PROBLEM.

EVELYN SENDS LINKS THAT WORK.

I DON'T KNOW. I GOT INTO IT AT LENGTH WITH BROOKE BEARE ABOUT IT AND HASN'T FIXED THE PROBLEM.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS HAPPENING.

I DON'T KNOW WHY ANY OF THIS IS HAPPENING.

NO. HELLO AFTER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS JUST FOR THE CHAIR.

THERE ARE IT WOULD BE ADJOURNMENT IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.

THERE'S NO OTHER AGENDA ITEMS AFTER THAT.

DID WE LOOSE HER. SHE'S THERE I CAN SEE HER, BUT SHE'S ON MUTE.

OH. I'M SORRY.

WERE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? FOR THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER CRUZ JOINED THE MEETING AT 5:31 P.M..

OKAY. SO IF THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS I'LL ADJOURN

[10 ADJOURNMENT]